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#2021952 - 01/27/13 01:56 AM Re: NAMM 2013 thread [Re: Tyruke]
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The silent piano from Yamaha looks/sounds pretty amazing ! Unfortunately , when they were trying to demo it in that little iso room off the main floor, they couldn't figure out to get a decent sound out of the module...all they kept getting was that old DX7 rhodes.... cry laugh

The Yamaha product manager was in the process of taking the legendary studio pianist Ralph Grierson and myself to a private room to demo it, where I guess it was working better.. Regrettably it was late in day and my ride was leaving....darn. frown

I would think even in its smallest C2 (?) scale, it would still be quite $$,$$$ .

Yes hopefully some of that technology will trickle down to the CP stage pianos or Motif/S90s.

Personally I had a tough time with the action on that NU1. I found it hard to execute the RH of the opening section of Chopin op. 25 Winter Wind Etude.

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#2022026 - 01/27/13 07:37 AM Re: NAMM 2013 thread [Re: ando]
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That's Jamie Cullum playing the Yamaha SH Silent Piano. He's one of my favorite all time artists. Check out more of his videos on YouTube.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mEF3slpfqXE
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#2022068 - 01/27/13 09:35 AM Re: NAMM 2013 thread [Re: voxpops]
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Originally Posted By: voxpops

Dave would you care to give an opinion on the Casio? Did you get to play it?


If he can't I can ..... It's good.... Very good .....scarily good especially for the price and weight. I was particularly impressed with the ep's and organs and some of the strings and pads as well. The AP's are certainly getting to the point of diminishing returns for live work and would give a cp5 or mp6 a fright. Controls are excellent and its ridiculously light for a board with such a nice playable action. But ... and it's a big but ... It's incredibly ugly ....I mean eye gouging stomach churning ugly...we are talking major fugly here. But if your blind or blind to the effect that being connected to such a visual design failure will have on you ... By all means grab one. It's like a having a fling with a girl who's great in bed but isn't for public display and we have all done that wink
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#2022072 - 01/27/13 09:40 AM Re: NAMM 2013 thread [Re: Dave Ferris]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris

Yes hopefully some of that technology will trickle down to the CP stage pianos or Motif/S90s.



Later this year it will for some boards. It's a lovely sample and Yammy are gonna milk it to death over the next few years in a myriad of versions
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#2022132 - 01/27/13 11:16 AM Re: NAMM 2013 thread [Re: Dr Popper]
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Originally Posted By: Dr Popper
[quote=voxpops]
I was particularly impressed with the ep's and organs and some of the strings and pads as well.


When you say the organs are good, which organs? The church/chapel ones on the 330 are really not very good (and that sort are the only ones that are of any interest to me).

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#2022134 - 01/27/13 11:22 AM Re: NAMM 2013 thread [Re: ando]
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I dunno I only played a couple of clonewheels I thought nice. I'm not much into churchy stuff ( understatement of the century )
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#2022142 - 01/27/13 11:36 AM Re: NAMM 2013 thread [Re: Dr Popper]
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Originally Posted By: Dr Popper
Originally Posted By: voxpops

Dave would you care to give an opinion on the Casio? Did you get to play it?


If he can't I can ..... It's good.... Very good .....scarily good especially for the price and weight. I was particularly impressed with the ep's and organs and some of the strings and pads as well. The AP's are certainly getting to the point of diminishing returns for live work and would give a cp5 or mp6 a fright. Controls are excellent and its ridiculously light for a board with such a nice playable action....


Dr P (or anyone else), are you familiar with the action and acoustic piano sounds on the PX-150 and 350? Is this the same, or is it better?
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#2022147 - 01/27/13 11:43 AM Re: NAMM 2013 thread [Re: Dr Popper]
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Originally Posted By: Dr Popper
Originally Posted By: voxpops

Dave would you care to give an opinion on the Casio? Did you get to play it?


If he can't I can ..... It's good.... Very good .....scarily good especially for the price and weight. I was particularly impressed with the ep's and organs and some of the strings and pads as well. The AP's are certainly getting to the point of diminishing returns for live work and would give a cp5 or mp6 a fright. Controls are excellent and its ridiculously light for a board with such a nice playable action. But ... and it's a big but ... It's incredibly ugly ....I mean eye gouging stomach churning ugly...we are talking major fugly here. But if your blind or blind to the effect that being connected to such a visual design failure will have on you ... By all means grab one. It's like a having a fling with a girl who's great in bed but isn't for public display and we have all done that wink


I am not clear on which CASIO product you are referring to.

Could you make that clear ?
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#2022190 - 01/27/13 01:04 PM Re: NAMM 2013 thread [Re: ando]
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I am just curious, what do you all think were the highlights of NAMM this year when it comes to DPs? I think the Kawai CS-10 and the Roland RD-64 top my list.
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#2022251 - 01/27/13 03:28 PM Re: NAMM 2013 thread [Re: PianoZac]
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Originally Posted By: PianoZac
That's Jamie Cullum playing the Yamaha SH Silent Piano. He's one of my favorite all time artists. Check out more of his videos on YouTube.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mEF3slpfqXE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEF3slpfqXE

That guy knows how to mistreat a piano.
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#2022278 - 01/27/13 04:57 PM Re: NAMM 2013 thread [Re: Dr Popper]
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Originally Posted By: Dr Popper
But ... and it's a big but ... It's incredibly ugly ....I mean eye gouging stomach churning ugly...we are talking major fugly here.


You know Dr P, it's really frustrating when you share such vague thoughts. I mean really, what ARE you trying to say? It's just not clear what you are trying to communicate!
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#2022316 - 01/27/13 06:08 PM Re: NAMM 2013 thread [Re: dmd]
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Originally Posted By: dmd
I am not clear on which CASIO product you are referring to.

Could you make that clear ?


He was referring to the PX5S, see below:


Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
Originally Posted By: voxpops
Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
Yeah Nord's defintley going to have to get on the ball now, with regard to updated rhodes and wurlis, after hearing what the new Casio has to offer in that area under a grand. wink

Dave would you care to give an opinion on the Casio? Did you get to play it?


I did not get to play the PX-5....


Originally Posted By: Dr Popper
Originally Posted By: voxpops

Dave would you care to give an opinion on the Casio? Did you get to play it?


If he can't I can ..... It's good.... Very good .....scarily good especially for the price and weight. ...But ... and it's a big but ... It's incredibly ugly ....I mean eye gouging stomach churning ugly...we are talking major fugly here....;)


Edited by o0Ampy0o (01/27/13 06:52 PM)
Edit Reason: to add sequence of posts

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#2022332 - 01/27/13 06:42 PM Re: NAMM 2013 thread [Re: ando]
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Regarding the aesthetics of the PX5S...

Aside from its role in facilitating or obstructing functionality a lot of people look past/through the surface design and only see the internal workings with their mind's eye. Knobs/sliders/screens are just the means to access them when they use something like this.

Appearance can be redefined in the perception of your mind given a strong product. Nord makes ugly eye sores but they are very popular for good reason. The orange box even seems to be a status symbol.

The PX5S seems like it is going to be eaten up by the world as fast as Casio can produce them.

If this were known to me a few months ago I would have opted to sell my MOX6 and buy one of these instead of buying the PX350. I would not have needed to add a 2nd tier to my stand. I may never play two keyboards at the same time. I could live without the unweighted action of the MOX. I could do everything (within my limited ability and probable future ability) with this one keyboard.

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#2022335 - 01/27/13 06:47 PM Re: NAMM 2013 thread [Re: ando]
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Nords are red.
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#2022343 - 01/27/13 06:58 PM Re: NAMM 2013 thread [Re: ando]
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Violets are blue . .

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#2022353 - 01/27/13 07:15 PM Re: NAMM 2013 thread [Re: ando]
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They look deep orange to me......in that case they are not ugly eye sores.

They are bloody eye sores.

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#2022374 - 01/27/13 07:49 PM Re: NAMM 2013 thread [Re: ando]
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Red or Orange ... It's a bloody awful colour. But while Nords are visually challenged nothing is going to prepare you for the visual assault on aesthetics that the PX-5S provides. You know it's coming but still your somehow not ready for it when you see it in the flesh. It looks like a wallybox from 1992 covered in ice cream.
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#2022377 - 01/27/13 07:53 PM Re: NAMM 2013 thread [Re: ClsscLib]
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Originally Posted By: ClsscLib

Dr P (or anyone else), are you familiar with the action and acoustic piano sounds on the PX-150 and 350? Is this the same, or is it better?


Same basic sound and action but fully editable with more variations. It's really quite good indeed. Action is far better then it should be for the money. Very playable and quite fast. Samples seem fully mapped to me.
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#2022432 - 01/27/13 09:24 PM Re: NAMM 2013 thread [Re: ando]
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about yamaha, was there a new cp33 successor or a new p155 successor?
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#2022462 - 01/27/13 09:54 PM Re: NAMM 2013 thread [Re: adak]
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Originally Posted By: adak
about yamaha, was there a new cp33 successor or a new p155 successor?

no

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#2022469 - 01/27/13 10:02 PM Re: NAMM 2013 thread [Re: anotherscott]
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Originally Posted By: adak
about yamaha, was there a new cp33 successor or a new p155 successor?

no


noooooooo!!!

lol. so what new pianos did they actually release?


Edited by adak (01/27/13 10:03 PM)
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#2022501 - 01/27/13 11:01 PM Re: NAMM 2013 thread [Re: ando]
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New YDP models, new MX synths.

I expect an updated CP range and new P165 will debut at Musikmesse.

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#2022503 - 01/27/13 11:04 PM Re: NAMM 2013 thread [Re: Kawai James]
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New YDP models, new MX synths.

And although it was their first show, the MX weren't even new. They have been out for months.

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#2022801 - 01/28/13 12:04 PM Re: NAMM 2013 thread [Re: ando]
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I am in need of updating my gigging piano and have been waiting till after NAMM to see if there would be a new Yamaha CP udate or Korg SV1. I told myself if neither were forthcoming I would go with the Nord Piano 2, however the new Casio might make me wait again. I have played the PX350 in stores and liked the action and the piano sound was good but I do a fair amount of rhodes stuff and I didn't care for the rhodes in the 350, prefer the Nord. But now I have some thinking to do since the Casio has gone and updated the Rhodes sound.

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#2022840 - 01/28/13 01:17 PM Re: NAMM 2013 thread [Re: Kawai James]
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NO, we Nordics are actually white...

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#2022854 - 01/28/13 01:46 PM Re: NAMM 2013 thread [Re: Axlin]
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NO, we Nordics are actually white...


I was in Stockholm some years ago during Midsommardagen, and I distinctly remember seeing many Swedes glowing pink - even red - under the sun, as they danced around the maypoles...... wink
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#2023175 - 01/29/13 01:27 AM Re: NAMM 2013 thread [Re: bennevis]
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OK, I rest My case... cool

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#2023184 - 01/29/13 01:45 AM Re: NAMM 2013 thread [Re: ando]
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Bye the way, I am planning to replace my 12 years old Yamaha CLP-930 with the upcoming Kawai CS-7! After trying several Yamaha, Roland and Kawais, the CS-7 seems to be the best match to my preferences (price/performance AND looks).
Last I tried Kawai, I liked the keyboard action on the CA-65 best, and the sound of the CS-6 (and looks) best. Knowing they share the same speakers, to my ears the treble on the CA-65 was to obviously coming from the tweeters above the keyboard as opposed to the CS-6 where I found the sound to be more natural.
I know this sounds (?) strange, but that is how I find it...
Be that as it may, I am soo looking forward to try out the CS-7 when it appears in April (I have been told).
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