Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

Gifts and supplies for the musician

the Forums & Piano World

Trying Something New with Search
Pearl River
Pearl River Pianos
(ad) Pianoteq
(ad) Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restoration
(ad) P B Guide
Acoustic & Digital Piano Guide
Who's Online
67 registered (AndrewJCW, Ben_NZ, 36251, alwatson, 16 invisible), 925 Guests and 6 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad) Estonia Piano
Estonia Pianos
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Live Piano Venues
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Piano Books
*Piano Art, Pictures, & Posters
*Directory/Site Map
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Screen Saver
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords
Topic Options
#2022551 - 01/28/13 01:04 AM Fingering Suggestion for this Passage
DkCHoPSUEY Offline
Full Member

Registered: 08/06/09
Posts: 21
Loc: Chicago
Hey guys, I was wondering if anyone could give any suggestions for right hand fingering on this section of the Liszt Norma Fantasy starting where it says marcato espressivo. What I do right now is 12 35 12 35 12 35 12 35 1235 1235. 12 35 12 35 12 35 12 35 1235 1235 and so on until I get to the triads. It feels weird sometimes, so I was wondering if anyone has other ideas. To give an idea of my hand size, I can reach an 10th with my thumb and pinky. Thanks in advance for any help! smile

Edited by DkCHoPSUEY (01/28/13 01:11 AM)
"All we have to decide, is what to do with the time that is given to us...." -Gandalf

Piano & Music Gifts & Accessories (570)
Piano accessories and music gift items
#2022557 - 01/28/13 01:26 AM Re: Fingering Suggestion for this Passage [Re: DkCHoPSUEY]
Mark_C Online   content
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 20755
Loc: New York
It's hard, but simple. grin

For the first couple of measures of the part you asked about, play each 'pair' with either 1-2 4-5 or 1-2 3-5. (Like, 1-2 4-5 on the first couple of pairs, 1-2 3-5 on the third pair, and likewise thereafter according to how the notes of each pair lay out.) For the 3rd and 4th measures, it's the reverse: 4-5 1-2 or 3-5 1-2.

What maybe makes it seem more complicated than it is: For the 3rd and 4th measures, it's slightly tricky to see what's a 'pair' -- i.e. how to group the notes in your hand and in your head. The first right hand 'chord' isn't part of a pair; it's by itself. The first pair begins on the next note. If you don't view it this way, you might think each pair leaps across a 10th, but it doesn't; the big leap comes between pairs, which isn't that bad.

#2022605 - 01/28/13 03:18 AM Re: Fingering Suggestion for this Passage [Re: DkCHoPSUEY]
Derulux Offline
5000 Post Club Member

Registered: 06/06/05
Posts: 5446
Loc: Philadelphia
I've never played this one, but it looks extremely straightforward and I think Mark hit it on the head. Play each chord the way you would as if it were a chord (and not broken), and that's almost always going to be the best way to play it as a broken chord.

Mark's advice to think of the large leaps as occurring between the chord groupings is exactly what I would have recommended in looking at this. Just be careful about doing it where notes overlap (mm3, beat 2). It can confuse your hand/brain. But for the large leaps (mm 5-6), definitely think of it that way.
Every day we are afforded a new chance. The problem with life is not that you run out of chances. In the end, what you run out of are days.

#2022824 - 01/28/13 12:53 PM Re: Fingering Suggestion for this Passage [Re: DkCHoPSUEY]
Kreisler Offline

Registered: 11/27/02
Posts: 13827
Loc: Iowa City, IA
The fingering the OP is using shows a conspicuous lack of 4. Stop avoiding finger 4 and look for some opportunities to use it!
"If we continually try to force a child to do what he is afraid to do, he will become more timid, and will use his brains and energy, not to explore the unknown, but to find ways to avoid the pressures we put on him." (John Holt)


#2023202 - 01/29/13 02:13 AM Re: Fingering Suggestion for this Passage [Re: DkCHoPSUEY]
DkCHoPSUEY Offline
Full Member

Registered: 08/06/09
Posts: 21
Loc: Chicago
Thanks so much guys! This really helped! laugh
"All we have to decide, is what to do with the time that is given to us...." -Gandalf


Moderator:  Brendan, Kreisler 
What's Hot!!
Why It's Impossible to Tune a Piano!
aka, why you should be nice to your tuner.
Posting Pictures on the Forums
Forums Rules & Help
on Piano World

Piano Classified Ads
Piano Acc. & Gift Items in
Piano World's Online Store
In PianoSupplies.com ,(a division of Piano World) our online store for piano and music gifts and accessories, party goods, tuning equipment, piano moving equipment, benches, lamps Caster Cups and more.

Free Shipping on Jansen Artist Piano Benches
Hammond A100 for Sale!
(Think B3)
Hammond A100 for sale!
(125ad) Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad 125)
Sweetwater $55,000 Giveaway
Sweetwater $55,000 Mic Locker Giveaway
Mason & Hamlin Piano Factory Tours
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Easy lead sheet classics
by johan d
Today at 03:20 AM
Cleaning keys
by musicbased
Today at 01:58 AM
protective case for studiologic gl88 grand
by Mta88
Yesterday at 11:26 PM
Is my Chickering (Chicago) Acoustigrande worth the rebuild?
by imnickb
Yesterday at 08:39 PM
Rib eye vs Sashimi
by Keith D Kerman
Yesterday at 07:32 PM
Forum Stats
83,736 Registered Members
44 Forums
172,888 Topics
2,527,220 Posts

Most users ever online: 15,252 @ 03/21/10 11:39 PM
Sheet Music Plus (125)
Sheet Music Plus Featured Sale

Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World | Donate | Link to Us | Classifieds |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | Press Room |

copyright 1997 - 2016 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission