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#2021426 - 01/26/13 12:09 AM Rapid Voicer
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Registered: 10/04/11
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Stumble upon pianotools.com, there is a Rapid Voicer tool kit with training manual. The demonstration videos are convincing.
The videos compared before and after three minutes voicing.

Anyone have experience, or idea about this tool kit?

thanks.
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#2021485 - 01/26/13 04:04 AM Re: Rapid Voicer [Re: Weiyan]
Olek Online   content
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Hello Weiyan
a few tips on how to break the tone for a few days/weeks, or more but only the percussive part if tone is changed.

The result is a softened tone not voicing, no real gain in lenght/sustain nor thickness, dont you notice the demonstration is done with sustain pedal engaged ?


The elasticity of the shoulders is not back

The only use of sustain pedal for voicing is to catch more easily on strong notes when our ears are tired and hear too much the attack.

I just question the training . That is how people make business as soon they have a partial knowledge.

For sure when you work for schools you may try to find solutions for your voicings not to harden in a few days , this resort with more agressive crown needling than usual, often particularely if you have dense and hard/dry hammers, with lsrge strings marks.

I would call "softening" what is done there. It have nothing to do with a prevoicing followed by an evening of tone done note by note and in a few passes.

Similar to "what is a concert tuning" the question could be "what is voicing ?"


Edited by Olek (01/26/13 04:18 AM)
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#2021893 - 01/26/13 09:44 PM Re: Rapid Voicer [Re: Weiyan]
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Hi Weiyan,

The web-site is:
pianotunertools.com


Edited by daniokeeper (01/26/13 09:46 PM)
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#2021936 - 01/27/13 12:46 AM Re: Rapid Voicer [Re: Weiyan]
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Expensive snake oil. This was discussed last December:
http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1995995/
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#2021966 - 01/27/13 02:38 AM Re: Rapid Voicer [Re: rysowers]
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Originally Posted By: rysowers
Expensive snake oil. This was discussed last December:
http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1995995/


I like the snake oil term !
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#2022083 - 01/27/13 09:57 AM Re: Rapid Voicer [Re: Weiyan]
Weiyan Offline
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Thank you.

No short cut in this planet.
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#2022794 - 01/28/13 11:48 AM Re: Rapid Voicer [Re: Weiyan]
alfredo capurso Offline
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Registered: 07/10/07
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Loc: Sicily - Italy
Originally Posted By: Weiyan
Stumble upon pianotools.com, there is a Rapid Voicer tool kit with training manual. The demonstration videos are convincing.
The videos compared before and after three minutes voicing.

Anyone have experience, or idea about this tool kit?

thanks.


Hi Weiyan,

I have had a look at those tools and the videos... I prefer to refrain from making a comment.

On the other hand, perhaps there is a short cut nowadays...

Find an old hammer set and with a proper tool (I use a three-needles voicer) start getting familiar with "needling" the felt. In order to get an idea, try to find some videos and for more details and orientation... remember PW.

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