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#2035376 - 02/18/13 04:56 PM Re: The end of music recording for profit for most everyone? [Re: chrisbell]
LoPresti Offline
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Originally Posted By: chrisbell
As for the sound quality in iPods, iPhones they are fine; and that's my professional opinion. Sure, it's not vinyl (still sounds best), but for my everyday use they sound great.

As you pointed out, ChrisBell, the topic was (generally) recording; but in my mind, "recording" and "playback" are as inseparable as a basketball and a hoop. And that brings me to my question:

When you professionally evaluate the sound quality of iPods and iPhones as "fine", and as "they sound great", are you actually asserting that the amplification, and the "speakers" within these devices produce a realistic musical sound?

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#2035392 - 02/18/13 05:27 PM Re: The end of music recording for profit for most everyone? [Re: LoPresti]
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Originally Posted By: LoPresti
When you professionally evaluate the sound quality of iPods and iPhones as "fine", and as "they sound great", are you actually asserting that the amplification, and the "speakers" within these devices produce a realistic musical sound?
Not sure what you mean with "a realistic sound". As soon as music is recorded it goes from being realistic to being approximated. When I feel an urge for realistic, I go to a concert or a jazz club . . .

They are loud enough for my ears and sound great whatever I play on them; orchestral, jazz, piano solo, etc. I prefer a non-coloured sound so I use the new in-ear plugs from Apple.


Edited by chrisbell (02/18/13 05:29 PM)
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#2035404 - 02/18/13 05:45 PM Re: The end of music recording for profit for most everyone? [Re: chrisbell]
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Originally Posted By: chrisbell
They are loud enough for my ears and sound great whatever I play on them . . .

I am refering to fidelity, not loudness. Do they sound like you are right in the room with the orchestra, or the jazz combo, or . . . ?

Why am I explaining this to a professional?
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#2035413 - 02/18/13 06:05 PM Re: The end of music recording for profit for most everyone? [Re: LoPresti]
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Originally Posted By: LoPresti
Originally Posted By: chrisbell
They are loud enough for my ears and sound great whatever I play on them . . .

I am refering to fidelity, not loudness. Do they sound like you are right in the room with the orchestra, or the jazz combo, or . . . ? Why am I explaining this to a professional?
Mainly because we're not sitting in the same room talking, I don't hear your voice, intonation, etc. And as we are on different continents with a different command of English I like to be really clear what we are talking about.

Fidelity has all to do with the production; good production equals = good sound.
Great mix, great room/hall = great sound.
What one needs then is speakers, monitors or ear-phones/plugs that can replicate faithfully that production. And as all these iThingies come with the ability to EQ the end product to ones hearts content.
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#2035461 - 02/18/13 07:53 PM Re: The end of music recording for profit for most everyone? [Re: theJourney]
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A pop artist named Beck Hansen recently produced an album but didn't record it. He turned it into a book of high quality sheet music. 20 songs total. He wanted to give back to the music community in a different way. Music fans all over the world produced their own videos of these songs. It's seems to have turned into a big hit. I'd be curious as to the sales of his book. I bought it and it was a steal for twenty something dollars.

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#2035596 - 02/19/13 12:56 AM Re: The end of music recording for profit for most everyone? [Re: theJourney]
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Payment for the original artist is about to get even worse:

http://singularityhub.com/2013/02/16/wil...that-direction/

Amazon will probably end up taking the remaining profits of used .mp3 sales. The original artist will get a small cut of the first initial sale, but probably not from subsequent 'used' resales.

To answer the OP's original question: yes.

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#2035639 - 02/19/13 02:24 AM Re: The end of music recording for profit for most everyone? [Re: erichlof]
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Originally Posted By: erichlof
Payment for the original artist is about to get even worse:

http://singularityhub.com/2013/02/16/wil...that-direction/

Amazon will probably end up taking the remaining profits of used .mp3 sales. The original artist will get a small cut of the first initial sale, but probably not from subsequent 'used' resales.

To answer the OP's original question: yes.


So, it would seem that the chances to " make it big " in the music business which were slim in the beginning have now become almost astronomically tiny.

Recorded music is everywhere and is getting cheaper and easier to access by the day.

At the same time, recent psychological research indicates that human happiness is often most positively impacted by anticipating, enjoying and reflecting on shared "experiences" rather than from buying "things".

http://psychcentral.com/news/2012/01/27/...ness/34167.html

There is also a movement under foot that craves natural, authentic, organic, real, live, etc.

So, it would seem that musicians, particularly classical musicians, need to focus on providing accessible, differentiated, meaningful, memorable, perhaps even spiritually uplifting live performance experiences to a (local) audience.

As the fastest-growing religion in most Western nations is " none ", many people also no longer avail themselves of the healing power of coming together to sing in a group every week. Combining musical performances with the opportunity to make music together could be just the kind of niche waiting to be filled. For example, the so-called " mee-zing concerten " (sing-along concerts) where the audience takes the role of the choir have been wildly successful in the Netherlands. http://www.meezingconcerten.nl/Inc/Home.php#.USMn0KU4vK8

The Dutch football hero Johann Cruijff had a saying " Every disadvantage brings an advantage." What kinds of advantages do local musicians have and what are the new kinds of opportunities that are appearing on the horizon? These could be exciting times for all.

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#2035640 - 02/19/13 02:27 AM Re: The end of music recording for profit for most everyone? [Re: erichlof]
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Loc: Philadelphia
Originally Posted By: erichlof
Payment for the original artist is about to get even worse:

http://singularityhub.com/2013/02/16/wil...that-direction/

Amazon will probably end up taking the remaining profits of used .mp3 sales. The original artist will get a small cut of the first initial sale, but probably not from subsequent 'used' resales.

To answer the OP's original question: yes.

I saw this, too, and I think it is an abomination. There is no reason for this, except that Amazon wants to cut out everyone except itself. When someone can point me to the difference in quality between a new eMedia product, and a used eMedia product (whether book, track, etc), I might be inclined to understand why this patent was granted. Until then, absolutely not.

And it is atrocious that the artist will not get a cut. I can see Amazon "limiting production," so first-users will pay a premium for content. Then, as they resell the content, it becomes available only through used content, and on a first-come, first-served basis. (Or worse, a bidding/auction war to get the "rights" to read the content.)

Great money-making scheme on Amazon's part. Horrible for every other person on the planet.

One more reason I don't use or support Amazon or its products. Ever.
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#2035644 - 02/19/13 02:43 AM Re: The end of music recording for profit for most everyone? [Re: erichlof]
wr Offline
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Registered: 11/23/07
Posts: 7896
Originally Posted By: erichlof
Payment for the original artist is about to get even worse:

http://singularityhub.com/2013/02/16/wil...that-direction/

Amazon will probably end up taking the remaining profits of used .mp3 sales. The original artist will get a small cut of the first initial sale, but probably not from subsequent 'used' resales.

To answer the OP's original question: yes.


The idea is so offensive to common sense that I thought it was satire for the first few paragraphs...

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