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#1111063 - 09/01/08 08:13 PM Re: Ludovico Einaudi
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Rob, I'm glad to hear that Amazon delivered your book quickly, too. Gosh, isn't it a nuisance that making a living cuts into piano time, especially when you have new music to play? I was just feeling sorry for myself for having to go back to work tomorrow, despite having had a three-day weekend . . . and you didn't even have that in the U.K.! Hope you've got one of those bank holidays of yours coming up soon. ;\)

Monica, thanks for the tips about recording. I've had a look at the threads and it all looks quite feasible . . . but, seeing as how I need to get some serious practice time in first, and as it will take a bit of studying to figure out some of the technical bits, I'm going to make this a winter project. It will be just the thing to take on when we're under three feet of snow in Michigan. Also, the only other major winter project we have scheduled is to organize the basement; this will quite nicely take precedence over that! \:D

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#1111064 - 09/04/08 04:29 PM Re: Ludovico Einaudi
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Hey, haven't been around here much over the last few days - the little spare time I've had has been spent practising with my shiny new book! It was actually a bank holiday last week so I can't imagine there will be another one for some time. \:\(

Just thought I'd swing by because I've got a quick fingering question and I hardly thought it was worth creating a new thread. Besides, I guess most of the people who will be able to help reside in this thread anyway. I'm having a little bit of difficulty with the fingering for bars 33 and 34 in Giorni Dispari (I'm sure most people here will have the sheet music....if not I can take a photo, but I couldn't be bothered with the hassle), where the following notes are played in the right hand (I've put the higher of the notes in italic to make it read easier):

Ab C G Bb F Ab Ab Ab G Ab Db F Ab Db F Ab

For this section, I use the following fingers:

4 1 5 2 4 1 5 1 5 1 2 4 1 2 4 1

I hope I've got this right....is 1 the thumb and 5 the pinky? I'm always getting these the wrong way round!

I've been scratching my head over this for a little while now, and I've come to the conclusion that I've simply given it far too much thought and now nothing feels quite right. Although the fingering I've written above is what I eventually settled with. If you've played this piece -- and if you can understand my fingering 'notation' -- could you please let me know if you play it differently to how I've written it above? Thanks! \:D
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#1111065 - 09/04/08 04:39 PM Re: Ludovico Einaudi
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Hi RobM,

your description is very clear. I have used
5 1 4 1 3 1 5 1 5 1 2 4 1 2 4 1
for this section. For me, it was convenient, because it is a smooth motion of the hand.

Have fun with this nice piece!

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#1111066 - 09/04/08 05:11 PM Re: Ludovico Einaudi
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Of course! That feels so much better!

Like I said, I think the problem was that I was thinking about it far too much and I couldn't just 'feel' what felt right. Thanks Benny! \:D
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#1111067 - 09/04/08 08:12 PM Re: Ludovico Einaudi
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Benny beat me to it, but I use the same fingering he does. \:\)

What I like about Giorni Dispari is that the bass pattern is one Einaudi uses in many different pieces, which makes the others a lot easier to learn.
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#1111068 - 10/25/08 03:24 AM Re: Ludovico Einaudi
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Time to shake a bit of dust off the good old Einaudi thread and make a post.

Here's a bit of playing around with I Due Fiumi that I recorded. Pretty much messing around with going slower in some of the parts and what not. Normally I'd post to something like the piano bar but since it's almost the end of the month anyways...

I Due Fiumi -- Performed on October 25th (Yup, no longer the 24th) Strangely, I seem to get quite a few good takes at really early hours of the morning (About 2am in this case.)

About the only thing that I didn't really like about the take was the arp at the end, but overall I had a good time recording it. If I do some more work I'll try to get a decent take of "Limbo" done as I went right on to "I Due Fiumi" as the last recital was quickly approaching and I wanted to get that one done so it never really got a good polish.

[edit - beware of spelling mistakes when posting past 2am]
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#1111069 - 10/25/08 03:59 AM Re: Ludovico Einaudi
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 Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyB:


Here's a bit of playing around with I Due Fiumi that I recorded. Pretty much messing around with going slower in some of the parts and what not. Normally I'd post to something like the piano bar but since it's almost the end of the month anyways...


About the only thing that I didn't really like about the take was the arp at the end, but overall I had a good time recording it. [/b]
Being a beginner I'm not in a position to critically listen to this piece.

So me saying it sounds beautiful, perhaps means a little less. But it was beautiful.

That's what I want to do when I grow up, metaphorically speaking ;\)
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#1111070 - 10/25/08 04:24 AM Re: Ludovico Einaudi
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And as an aside this forum has introduced me to the music of Ludovico Einaudi and for that I am eternally grateful.
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#1111071 - 10/25/08 02:32 PM Re: Ludovico Einaudi
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OK, even though most of you internet slackers have not even listened to the last entry yet, here's a good take of "Limbo" that I got this morning.

Limbo -- performed Oct 25, 2008 (At an amazingly normal time of day)

(Just in case you didn't see my last post just a few above this one, I'll re-link my performance here)
I Due Fiumi -- performed Oct 25, 2008 (but in the early wee hours of that um, "Morning")

I really let :Limbo" go for a long time while learning I Due Fiumi and some other pieces and just picked it back up a few days ago in order to get a more recent recording of me playing it. I think I'm happy enough with this one for now.
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#1111072 - 10/25/08 04:35 PM Re: Ludovico Einaudi
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Anyone recorded "I Giorni"?
I see two months ago Einaudi performing in public and totally for free. We have something called "white nights". They're days of the year in which the city becomes a huge circus and all shops, and theaters, and museum, an libraries and so on are open from midnight till 6 am in the morning. Cars can't travel, so the city is full of people including young children staying awake all night enjoying various street performances, live music, parties, free food, walking from square to square.

Einaudi performed free in a stage on the beach at 5 am in the morning. It was beautiful.

[img]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3284/2649402779_bddcabae6f.jpg?v=0[/img]

Einaudi and semi-minimalist music in general requires a non superficial listening. In fact it is hard complex music. The complexity is indeed the fact that having few musical material allow for a far greater deailed processing of the material. So th evolume of each note, the dynamic of each sixteenth, the rubato of each phrase everything becomes importat. It reminds me of Mozart in a way. Mozart is hard to play well. If you simply learn to play all the notes at the right time without mistakes the piece will sound boring. You must really have the exact intepretation of each note because you can't hide behind virtuosisms and complex figurations.

Simple music is harder to make sound good, and this in itself makes it very hard and complex music to master and play well.

I love "Passaggio" too. Is a great piece but often overlooked in favour of more famous ones.

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#1111073 - 10/25/08 05:16 PM Re: Ludovico Einaudi
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I'm sure there are "I Giorni" recordings posted in this thread somewhere. It is also likely that there were some posted to some of the recitals. Personally, I've not tried "I Giorni" yet. I'm going to make an attempt to learn a piece that isn't from the I Giorni album itself. So far the three pieces that I've learned to play have all been from that album!

If you have any recordings or videos you would like to share with us feel free to post links here Danny.
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#1111074 - 10/25/08 05:51 PM Re: Ludovico Einaudi
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Interesting anecdote.
My teacher used to assign Einaudi pieces to advanced students who were losing motivation or were frustrated preparing for an exam. So she would say "slow down on that Beethoven (or Chopin or whatever) and practice Einaudi instead"

She was right, after the Einaudi piece the students were refreshed, more motivated, with a renewed love for music and less frustrated with their exam pieces. She photocopied the pieces, claiming that just one per student wasn't that much of a piracy thing, but usually all the students would eventually buy the sheet book.

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#1111075 - 10/25/08 07:22 PM Re: Ludovico Einaudi
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Ooooh! Look what my best friend Google found for me on the internet!

Ludovico Einaudi - Live in Berlin This is an archive from an internet radio show. There is a link to copy and paste on that page to get the actual audio. I linked there because you can see the tracks and the order they are in. The show starts and ends with non-Einaudi tracks but appears to have the entire Live in Berlin CD. You've got to listen to the DJ between tracks, but I can live with that for now.

I really hope Ludovico brings copies of thie CD with him to the states for us concert attendees to purchase. Enjoy. (And purchase the CD if you can, I suppose.)

Enjoy!
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#1111076 - 10/26/08 01:06 PM Re: Ludovico Einaudi
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Danny Niklas:
Anyone recorded "I Giorni"?[/b]
I submitted it for one of the recitals, recital 9 (?) maybe. I can link it here, too, though:

I giorni

This is one of my favorite Einaudi pieces to play, as it sounds a lot more difficult and impressive to play than it really is, which is my kind of piece.

Danny, what a special treat to see Einaudi play in that setting. \:\)
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#1111077 - 10/26/08 01:11 PM Re: Ludovico Einaudi
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Anthony, great job on "Limbo" and "I due fiumi."

And thanks so much for that link to the Live in Berlin archive. It hadn't occurred to me that he might bring CDs to sell in SF, but I sure hope you're right! I've got everything else he's recorded but that one. \:\(
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#1111078 - 10/26/08 02:47 PM Re: Ludovico Einaudi
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Monica K.:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Danny Niklas:
Anyone recorded "I Giorni"?[/b]
I submitted it for one of the recitals, recital 9 (?) maybe. I can link it here, too, though:

I giorni

This is one of my favorite Einaudi pieces to play, as it sounds a lot more difficult and impressive to play than it really is, which is my kind of piece.
[/b][/quote][/qb]

"I Giorni" is only easy as far as notes are corcerned, but in order to make it fast but calm and relaxing with the right kind of volume and dynamic over every note, one must works a lot.

I think a common misconception is that easy pieces are those where playing and memorizing the notes is rather easy because there's no much "blackness" in the sheet. But as anyone who wants to play Mozart properly knows, those are not the correct criteria for "easiness" or "hardness".

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Danny, what a special treat to see Einaudi play in that setting. \:\) [/b]
He will make a bis the next summer.
Maybe the fans among you can fly to Italy and be my guests \:\)

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#1111079 - 10/26/08 08:13 PM Re: Ludovico Einaudi
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Danny Niklas:
"I Giorni" is only easy as far as notes are corcerned, but in order to make it fast but calm and relaxing with the right kind of volume and dynamic over every note, one must works a lot.
[/b]
You are right, Danny. There's a lot I would change on my recording even a few months later (e.g., my tempo varied all over the map, and I didn't put as much rubato in that last section as Einaudi does). If I weren't busy trying to get a better recital recording I'd haul out the Zoom and try again on I giorni. \:D

On the other hand, the fact that many of Einaudi's pieces ARE easy in the sense of getting the notes down makes him a good choice for beginners or early intermediate players. I know I can't, and maybe will never, play as delicately and beautifully as Einaudi does, but even when played not so great, Einaudi's music sounds nice. In that sense, he's more forgiving than, say, Mozart. \:\) Hmmm... that could almost make a great thread in itself: Which composers sound the best when played poorly? \:D
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#1111080 - 10/26/08 09:30 PM Re: Ludovico Einaudi
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Very nice rendition of "I Giorni" Monica.
The problem is that it's incomplete \:\(

Anyway I have few questions for you.

How do you chose to pedal this piece?

Can you reach the D and E with finger 5 and 2 easily on the bar before the first arpeggio?

Do you have problems with the tenths in the second part of the piece?

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#1111081 - 10/26/08 11:25 PM Re: Ludovico Einaudi
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Hi Danny, thank you for the kind words. \:\) I do love this piece and would love to be able to play it even better.

Here's my answers:

1.) I pedal this piece the way I pedal everything, = too much. \:D More seriously, I pedal pretty much continuously, lifting up and reapplying at chord changes.

2.) erm... I'm not sure what measure you're talking about here. "First arpeggio" where... the right hand? Measure 69? I don't see a D and E in the measure before that.

3.) Heck yes. I can't play those big chords at all in the left hand starting around measure 141. I just rearrange them, e.g., in measure 141, rather than playing G-D-B in the left hand, I play D-G-B; in measure 144, rather than playing B-F-D I play F-B-D. I thought rearranging sounded better than just dropping one of the notes.
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#1111082 - 10/26/08 11:43 PM Re: Ludovico Einaudi
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Originally posted by Monica K.:

1.) I pedal this piece the way I pedal everything, = too much. \:D More seriously, I pedal pretty much continuously, lifting up and reapplying at chord changes.
[/b]

\:D Do you use the una corda pedal in this piece?

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2.) erm... I'm not sure what measure you're talking about here. "First arpeggio" where... the right hand? Measure 69? I don't see a D and E in the measure before that.
[/b]

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#1111083 - 10/26/08 11:50 PM Re: Ludovico Einaudi
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Yes, I apply the una corda where marked in the score.

Aha... THAT D and E. \:D I play the chord with 5 and 1, and then hit the lower D on the next note with the thumb again. I started out playing the piece trying to do the D and E with 5 and 2, but it was too much of a stretch, and I found myself squishing other keys down while playing. Using the thumb for both the lower E and D is not optimal (I feel it comes off a little too jerkily) but seems to work the best of the options for me thus far.
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#1111084 - 10/27/08 09:12 AM Re: Ludovico Einaudi
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Monica,

I just listened to your "I Giorni" It was fantastic. That's why I want to learn the piano.

Thank you, it brightened up my afternoon \:\)
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#1111085 - 10/27/08 03:43 PM Re: Ludovico Einaudi
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 Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyB:
OK, even though most of you internet slackers have not even listened to the last entry yet, here's a good take of "Limbo" that I got this morning.

Limbo -- performed Oct 25, 2008 (At an amazingly normal time of day)

(Just in case you didn't see my last post just a few above this one, I'll re-link my performance here)
I Due Fiumi -- performed Oct 25, 2008 (but in the early wee hours of that um, "Morning")

I really let :Limbo" go for a long time while learning I Due Fiumi and some other pieces and just picked it back up a few days ago in order to get a more recent recording of me playing it. I think I'm happy enough with this one for now. [/b]
This slacker did listen to your Limbo clip. Yours is much more interesting than mine in terms of dynamics and tempo changes. I fall victim to making sure I hit the notes, and as a result, as Danny suggested (not speaking in my case, but in general) mine sounds sort of boring. Sort of like if it were being played with a metronome clicking. Which, incidently, it was.

Glad to see this thread up and running. Still working on getting a clean take on Ombre for the recital. For some reason, I just can't make it the whole way through without losing concentration.
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#1111086 - 10/27/08 04:42 PM Re: Ludovico Einaudi
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I found "Ombre" to be a tough one to record, too, AW2PP. Something about jumping down and hitting those left hand octaves consistently is tough to do perfectly. (And you can't hide or overlook a blooper involving loud left hand octaves the way you can other wrong notes! \:D )

p.s. I loved your "live blogging" entry on the delivery and setup of your new Casio, especially the non-picture of the pedals installed upside down. \:D \:D ROFL!
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#1111087 - 10/27/08 04:54 PM Re: Ludovico Einaudi
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Good old lack of concentration gets just about everyone. You just end up listening to what you're playing and forget that you're the one that's supposed to keep playing it. Always laugh at myself when I lose concentration like that. Of course, lack of concentration is usually the cause for flubs in places that are simply on "autopilot" most of the time. Since you hardly have to think about what you are doing in the first place it is that much easier to lose your concentration completely.

Good luck on getting Ombre finished in time for a recital submission, aw2pp.
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#1111088 - 10/28/08 02:16 PM Re: Ludovico Einaudi
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Monica K.:
I found "Ombre" to be a tough one to record, too, AW2PP. Something about jumping down and hitting those left hand octaves consistently is tough to do perfectly. (And you can't hide or overlook a blooper involving loud left hand octaves the way you can other wrong notes! \:D )
[/b]
This is an astute point. The octaves begin in measure 53, and just about when my LH has comfortably assumed the shape of an octave, he throws in a GC (a 6th, is that?) followed by a DF. I have a lot of trouble with this for some reason. It's hit or miss.
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#1111089 - 10/28/08 03:16 PM Re: Ludovico Einaudi
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Originally posted by AnthonyB:
OK, even though most of you internet slackers have not even listened to the last entry yet, [/b]
Sure, we did... \:\)

It's simply beautiful. I wish my next recording sessions could be similarly successful!

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#1111090 - 10/28/08 11:07 PM Re: Ludovico Einaudi
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Quick update... fired up the iPod and tried to play Ombre alongside the La Scala recording of same. Wow. Over the course of the last several months, I got so focused on what I was doing with the piece, I had developed a completely different (and much less interesting) take on it. In comparison, my in-process recordings were slow, plodding, and (how to put it?) tentative. There is nothing tentative about Ludovico's recording, I'll say that. But to play it boldly requires precision, for reasons Monica discussed earlier. Those jumps, those octaves... these need to be met decisively.

AnthonyB, hope it's ok to ask this out in the open... what's your impression of Tracce? When I listen to it, it sounds serious, but really easy. But the sheet music is unexpectedly daunting.
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#1111091 - 10/29/08 01:08 AM Re: Ludovico Einaudi
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Yeah, the sheets for Tracce do indeed look a bit daunting. The beginning parts aren't all that bad but they can be quite the finger twisters. I've yet to fully work out the latter sections which are the interesting parts of the piece. There is one Tracce video currently on youtube which actually sounds pretty nice. That's not me playing it though.

Tracce on youtube

I likely would have finished learning this piece if I wasn't distracted by the piece I ended up picking for this recital. I'm sure the part that starts bringing in the left hand can be worked out fairly quickly once I really get started on it.
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#1111092 - 10/29/08 08:35 AM Re: Ludovico Einaudi
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By the way, I stand corrected, there is no version of Ombre on La Scala, just on Le Onde.
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