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#2026069 - 02/02/13 10:03 PM Re: Kawai MP6 User's Thread [Re: HisKidd]
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Some feedback regarding your thoughts that the board sounds warmer or better recording the outputs versus monitoring the headphone output. I indeed find this to be true. I used the MP6 on a recording session last week (Hammond). The engineer was extremely impressed with the warmth of the rotary and the whole tone (as was I). For a bit of fun and learning, I just finished tweaking up the Mellow Grand to match the Alicia's Keys software. To do this I had the MP6 outputs into the sound board and A=>B compared them back and forth while adjusting the EQ. (Monitoring off the board) I got a pretty dead lock... Actually, the MP6 bass response and warmth was better than the software. Other than the pedal and key noise adjustments which is a nice touch on AK, The Mellow Grand beats it... Especially considering the sympathetic resonance and soft pedal modeling. It's just better, IMO. Good enough to substitute for my real grand when the kids head to bed anyway wink

NOW, to finish this story the MP6 headphone output is slightly more harsh than the stereo output signal chain. It's a little harder, a little more present. Not bad but not as smooth as the other. So, its important to note that all the settings you post may not be judged equally. They are highly dependent upon your system (phones, type of monitors, cables, signal chain, pre amps, etc)Just thought I'd mention this in case folks have only been monitoring via headphones. Also, if your just direct wiring flat response monitors, you may experience some harsh mids.
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#2026116 - 02/03/13 12:39 AM Re: Kawai MP6 User's Thread [Re: RBMusik]
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Originally Posted By: RBMusik
Some feedback regarding your thoughts that the board sounds warmer or better recording the outputs versus monitoring the headphone output. I indeed find this to be true. I used the MP6 on a recording session last week (Hammond). The engineer was extremely impressed with the warmth of the rotary and the whole tone (as was I). For a bit of fun and learning, I just finished tweaking up the Mellow Grand to match the Alicia's Keys software. To do this I had the MP6 outputs into the sound board and A=>B compared them back and forth while adjusting the EQ. (Monitoring off the board) I got a pretty dead lock... Actually, the MP6 bass response and warmth was better than the software. Other than the pedal and key noise adjustments which is a nice touch on AK, The Mellow Grand beats it... Especially considering the sympathetic resonance and soft pedal modeling. It's just better, IMO. Good enough to substitute for my real grand when the kids head to bed anyway wink

NOW, to finish this story the MP6 headphone output is slightly more harsh than the stereo output signal chain. It's a little harder, a little more present. Not bad but not as smooth as the other. So, its important to note that all the settings you post may not be judged equally. They are highly dependent upon your system (phones, type of monitors, cables, signal chain, pre amps, etc)Just thought I'd mention this in case folks have only been monitoring via headphones. Also, if your just direct wiring flat response monitors, you may experience some harsh mids.


RBMusik...
Great post with some great lessons. I've had similiar experiences using Pianoteq. Yes, I can dial in some great sounds with 127 midi possibilities, and the dynamic range is certainly expanded, but the truth is I prefer the sound of my MP6! I absolutely love the Mellow Piano patch. Both 1 and 2 are good, but 2 is my favorite!

I'm learning by sharing, and your insight about the sound being highly dependent upon the individual user's system is an excellent point. What I'm hoping for, is that all users will take these basic settings as a starting point. The MP6 offers so many tweaks it sometimes presents a challenge. I'm trying to avoid going there yet, but just as soon as we finish all twelve suggested settings, I want to address the very topic you're highlighting; namely - what phones, monitors, audioface, etc. are user's matching up with the MP6 for what they consider the best sound?

I've believed for a long time that dollar for dollar, this board is a steal. Especially for the gigging musician. Weight wise, sound sample wise, adjustment wise, use as a controller wise; this board has something for everyone with a multitude of adjustments not found elsewhere. Yes there is a learning curve, but settings are easily accessible and intuitive. With the MP6, one must be careful to conclude if they don't like what they are hearing, that they have been stuck with a bad keyboard. There is testimony after testimony (from many professionals musicians) that this board performs on par with boards twice and three times its cost.

Now for some fun, RBMusik. Forum member Nigeth likes the sound of the Grand Bosendorfer. With the experience you have had with your MP6, what sample, and general settings would you suggest for him?

By the way, I would have not realized that the MP6 headphone output is slightly more harsh than the stereo output signal chain, had I not produced and compared sound patches. Another of the board's many nuances. It will be interesting to see where our discussion of system accessories takes us.

Thanks so much for sharing your insights. And I'm noting for future reference that direct wiring flat response monitors may result in some harsh sounds. For all of us who want to learn as much as we can about the MP6 in order to maximize its playability; you insights are appreciated and valued!
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#2048361 - 03/14/13 06:25 PM Re: Kawai MP6 User's Thread [Re: HisKidd]
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Very interesting thread for MP6 owners, like myself.
HisKidd, are you going to continue with your posting ?

I have one particular question, if anybody knows the answer.
Is it possible to adjust headphone output independently of master line output ?
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#2096095 - 06/05/13 10:31 AM Re: Kawai MP6 User's Thread [Re: HisKidd]
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Kawai don't publish the levels of the signals on the Main and Headphone outputs, but you can bet that the Phones out is low impedance and the Line is high. This could affect the sound when plugged into an amplifier; the Phones out might well overdrive the amp, causing a harsh, or slightly distorted sound.
Has anyone out there tried to measure these levels?

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#2128335 - 08/05/13 04:06 AM Re: Kawai MP6 User's Thread [Re: Ewen]
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I would like to ask a question about playing external sounds. I understand there are 256 internal sounds directly in the piano but how can play some new external sounds? Should I connect my piano with a computer? Should I download some computer program able to generate sounds? If so, are there any good free programs?


Edited by Petike (08/05/13 04:07 AM)
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#2128686 - 08/05/13 10:01 PM Re: Kawai MP6 User's Thread [Re: Petike]
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Originally Posted By: Petike
I would like to ask a question about playing external sounds. I understand there are 256 internal sounds directly in the piano but how can play some new external sounds? Should I connect my piano with a computer? Should I download some computer program able to generate sounds? If so, are there any good free programs?


Petike, you could purhcase an external rack (Yamaha products) or an external sound studio (like the Roland Integra). The distributors who produce the vst piano sounds also produce additional external sound modules (try East/West as an example). Others may want to offer you additional suggestions. Hope this helps as a starting point! The MP6 works great as a contoller for external hardware. Congratulations on your purchase!
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#2130014 - 08/08/13 04:22 PM Re: Kawai MP6 User's Thread [Re: HisKidd]
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Thank you very much HisKidd for your advice. Meanwhile, I also got an answer directly from Kawai employee Alan Palmer, here it is:

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There are many, many good virtual instruments of any variety available for PC. I just don’t know any good free ones. If you want to research to have some idea what is available.

1. Check at Sweetwater Music online http://www.sweetwater.com/shop/computer-audio/plugins/ to see many different virtual instruments.

A few recommendations

2. For pianos Synthogy – Ivory II

3. For synths Arturia – various classic synth emulations.

4. For B3 type Organ - VB3 (Can’t remember the company name maybe GSI or GMI)

5. For various sounds Native Instruments

6. For good synth/Bass/Drums Spectrasonics – Omnisphere/Trilogy, Stylus RMX.

These are just a few of the main software instruments pros use. They are not the only ones available but they are some of the best so you can get some idea of the cost and sound quality of the top stuff. Then if you check for freeware you will know the quality target vs. price and judge if free is good enough. Generally I find you get what you pay for.

NOTE: Virtual synth software requires a fast computer or you will get delays (latency) between when you play a note and when it sounds. Check the system requirements for the software you are interested in. You will also almost surely need a proper audio interface to hear the sounds from the software and reduce latency. Sometimes the internal computer sound card is OK but usually the internal sound cards are too slow to play virtual synth software without latency or audio problems.
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I am now interested mainly in Synthogy - Ivory II - some people on the internet said, it contains the best virtual grand piano sounds ever. If anybody has this product and also the Kawai MP6, could you please compare the Kawai MP6 grand piano and Ivory II grand piano?
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#2130238 - 08/09/13 08:09 AM Re: Kawai MP6 User's Thread [Re: HisKidd]
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Hi Petike,
I'am not an expert but I really love the grand (American D) sound of Ivory II. I consider MP6's grand piano samples very decent but Ivory II is in the different league. Unfortunately you cannot hear it "through" your MP6 - you have to use either your laptop's speakers or connect it to small mixer and speakers.
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#2130672 - 08/10/13 07:25 AM Re: Kawai MP6 User's Thread [Re: Romek]
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Thank you Romek for your information.

So you say when I connect Kawai MP6 to computer and I will use my piano as an "input" to the computer application Ivory II, I cannot hear the resulting sound from the headphones or the piano speakers, as I can hear when using sounds directly from Kawai MP6?

Because my headphones (Superlux hd668b) with Kawai MP6 sound great, but will they sound great also when I connect them with the computer?
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#2130688 - 08/10/13 08:38 AM Re: Kawai MP6 User's Thread [Re: Petike]
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Hello again,
can someone explain me the differences among these four products from Synthogy (prices in euros from Thomann store):

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--> Ivory II Grand Pianos (255 euros)
--> Ivory II Italian Grand (130 euros)
--> Ivory II Upright Pianos (215 euros)
--> Ivory II American Concert D (149 euros)
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So far what I have googled, the most people seem to have "American Concert D" (maybe for the price, or for its sound?).

For example, does the "Grand Pianos" product have the best piano sounds among these four, because it is most expensive, or what? I cannot try the sounds myself, because I am not aware of any "trial" version of these products.
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#2130692 - 08/10/13 09:14 AM Re: Kawai MP6 User's Thread [Re: HisKidd]
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Hi Petike. Have you tried Galaxy and True Keys pianos? They compare very favorably with Synthology and are cheaper, per piano sample set.

http://www.galaxy-instruments.com/vintage-d.html

http://vilabsaudio.com/true-keys-american-grand
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#2130830 - 08/10/13 02:34 PM Re: Kawai MP6 User's Thread [Re: Petike]
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Originally Posted By: Petike
Hello again,
can someone explain me the differences among these four products from Synthogy (prices in euros from Thomann store):

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--> Ivory II Grand Pianos (255 euros)
--> Ivory II Italian Grand (130 euros)
--> Ivory II Upright Pianos (215 euros)
--> Ivory II American Concert D (149 euros)
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Ivory II is the original suite of three pianos that most people have. It has a recent German Steinway D, a Bosendorfer 290, and a Yamaha c7.

Ivory II Italian is a single piano (Fazioli)

Ivory II Upright is a suite of 4 upright pianos.

Ivory II American Concert D is a single piano (Vintage American Steinway)

The reason American D is often talked about is that it is Synthogy's most recent and most technically advanced piano--basically introduced to compete with Galaxy's Vintage D, it seems to me. It has been pretty popular. They are all outstanding quality, though.

Notice that if you buy Ivory or TrueKeys you will also need to buy an ilok device. Not so with Galaxy.


Edited by gvfarns (08/10/13 02:35 PM)

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#2130899 - 08/10/13 04:45 PM Re: Kawai MP6 User's Thread [Re: Petike]
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Hi Petike,
you are right. I asked similar question to Kawai James and here is his reply
"Some DPs feature 'Line In' or 'Stereo In' connectors, allowing an external audio source (such as a computer) to be mixed with the instrument's own sound.

However, I'm afraid the MP6 does not feature these connectors, therefore it will not be possible to hear the Ivory II sound when your headphones/speakers are connected to your MP6.

My recommendation would be to purchase a small external mixer, allowing you to connect both your computer and the MP6 to the speakers/headphones simultaneously."

So I set up may MP6 in the following order:
MP6 -> Cakewalk UM-1G ->Laptop ->Creative soundcard -> mixer -> speakers or headphones.
I use Yamaha HS-50M monitors and Sehnnheiser HD 598 headphones. With this setup I can play either internal MP6 instruments (since MP6 is directly connected to the mixer sa well) or Ivory II. While using the headphones I connect them directly to MP6 or to the external sound card and the sounfd is beatifull. I recommend balanced cables and a hum killer if necessary (I needed one).
I hope this helps.

All the best,
Romek
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#2131271 - 08/11/13 02:37 PM Re: Kawai MP6 User's Thread [Re: gvfarns]
Petike Offline
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Originally Posted By: gvfarns
Originally Posted By: Petike
Hello again,
can someone explain me the differences among these four products from Synthogy (prices in euros from Thomann store):

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--> Ivory II Grand Pianos (255 euros)
--> Ivory II Italian Grand (130 euros)
--> Ivory II Upright Pianos (215 euros)
--> Ivory II American Concert D (149 euros)
------------------


Ivory II is the original suite of three pianos that most people have. It has a recent German Steinway D, a Bosendorfer 290, and a Yamaha c7.

Ivory II Italian is a single piano (Fazioli)

Ivory II Upright is a suite of 4 upright pianos.

Ivory II American Concert D is a single piano (Vintage American Steinway)

The reason American D is often talked about is that it is Synthogy's most recent and most technically advanced piano--basically introduced to compete with Galaxy's Vintage D, it seems to me. It has been pretty popular. They are all outstanding quality, though.

Notice that if you buy Ivory or TrueKeys you will also need to buy an ilok device. Not so with Galaxy.



Thank you very much gvfarns for your detailed answer. Now I finally know the differences among those four products.

You said I will need an iLok "device" - so iLok is some hardware (what I can physically touch smile )? I thought it is just some software to install. And if it is a hardware, what is the purpose of it?
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#2131291 - 08/11/13 03:17 PM Re: Kawai MP6 User's Thread [Re: Petike]
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ILok is the USB flash disk with the security system which allows you to use the software (basically it is the "password" to your software. The downside of this solution is that when you lose it you cannot run the software. And of course, you have to buy it separately. The upside is that you may install the software on many computers and use Ivory II with your ILok. Galaxy software does not require ILok.

Romek
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#2131340 - 08/11/13 05:16 PM Re: Kawai MP6 User's Thread [Re: Romek]
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I didn't know I have to buy 1 000 000 different things to get additional sounds to my Kawai MP6 smile .

It seems that I will stay just with the Kawai MP6 internal sounds for now.
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#2131382 - 08/11/13 07:23 PM Re: Kawai MP6 User's Thread [Re: HisKidd]
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I fully agree with you :-)

Enjoy!
All the best
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#2140763 - 08/29/13 01:29 PM Re: Kawai MP6 User's Thread [Re: Romek]
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Hello, I have a question how to achieve one specific sound on Kawai MP6.

There is a video on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61OzwXZiDo8 with the song Beneath The Surface from Dream Theater. From 3:20 to 3:48 there is a solo. Is it possible to achieve that sound on Kawai MP6?

I tried some settings but my resulting sound was not as good as in the mentioned song, but on Kawai MP6 there are lot of different effects that can be added to sounds and I can mix maximum four different sounds together, so maybe some Kawai MP6 users would know some hacks how to achieve that sound (the mentioned sound seems similar to some sounds in PAD/SYNTH section in Kawai MP6).

Any suggestions?
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#2140769 - 08/29/13 01:46 PM Re: Kawai MP6 User's Thread [Re: HisKidd]
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It would be nice to be able to see and play one of these one day. On paper it sounds very much like what I need, but no way I'm buying one online sight-unseen (touch-unplayed). The Kawai site shows no dealers in Florida for their stage pianos, let alone Orlando.

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#2140870 - 08/29/13 05:15 PM Re: Kawai MP6 User's Thread [Re: HisKidd]
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Big McLargehuge, even if the Kawai America website does not list dealers in your area, it may still be worth contacting the company to enquire about availability locally.

Kind regards,
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#2140897 - 08/29/13 06:23 PM Re: Kawai MP6 User's Thread [Re: Big McLargehuge]
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Originally Posted By: Petike
I didn't know I have to buy 1 000 000 different things to get additional sounds to my Kawai MP6 smile .

It seems that I will stay just with the Kawai MP6 internal sounds for now.

As mentioned earlier, the computer is not the only way to add sounds, there are also standalone sound modules you can attach. But for a better piano sound in particular, computer would be the way to go. If you need to hear Kawai sounds AND other sounds at the same time, then yes, you need a mixer, or an amp/speaker system that has multiple inputs. If you only need to hear one OR the other, then you can just move the cable. For example, if you're using headphones to listen to the MP6 piano sound, and instead you want to listen to the Ivory piano sound, just plug your headphones into the computer INSTEAD of the MP6. You only need a mixer (or multi-channel amplifier) if you need to hear both sound sources at once. And even that is not a big deal, you can get a little mixer for well under $100.
Originally Posted By: Big McLargehuge
It would be nice to be able to see and play one of these one day. On paper it sounds very much like what I need, but no way I'm buying one online sight-unseen (touch-unplayed). The Kawai site shows no dealers in Florida for their stage pianos, let alone Orlando.

Guitar Center says they're a Kawai dealer, and they have locations in Florida. But you'd have to call them to see if those particular locations have Kawai on display. If there is really no way for you to check them out in advance, you could order online from a place like musiciansfriend.com who has a good return policy. Yes, shipping it back if you don't like it won't be cheap, but at least you save the gas to the store. ;-) Plus you can live with it for 30 days to really learn it and see how much you like it, which can tell you more than 30 minutes in a store. Of course, that doesn't help if you can tell you don't like it the first minute you play it!

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#2153867 - 09/19/13 03:23 PM Re: Kawai MP6 User's Thread [Re: Romek]
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Originally Posted By: Romek

So I set up may MP6 in the following order:
MP6 -> Cakewalk UM-1G ->Laptop ->Creative soundcard -> mixer -> speakers or headphones.


I would like to ask something to this setup. I googled that "Cakewalk UM-1G" is a usb-midi "interface". I also found that there exist just usb-midi "cables" - is there any difference and can this device influence the resulting sound? Because if it is just a way to connect usb on my computer with midi on my Kawai MP6, I would buy the cheapest usb-midi cable available smile . Or am I wrong?

Next thing, is creative soundcard necessary? Because I think, I have some integrated sound card in my computer already. By the way, I own the computer "Lenovo Thinkpad T530".

And finally, could you recommend me some cheapest but such mixer, where I don't loose any sound quality smile ? I asked in one computer store to this, and they were offering me some Behringer with 4 inputs for about 40 euros. Is that enough?


Sorry for my dumb questions smile , but I am very inexperienced in this area.


Edited by Petike (09/19/13 03:25 PM)
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#2153880 - 09/19/13 04:00 PM Re: Kawai MP6 User's Thread [Re: Petike]
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I found some even more cheaper mixer Bespeco MIX 30 with 3 inputs for 15 euros. Is that mixer enough for me if I just want to connect my computer and Kawai MP6 to it, just to be able to hear both devices in my headphones or speakers?


Edited by Petike (09/19/13 04:01 PM)
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#2153952 - 09/19/13 05:42 PM Re: Kawai MP6 User's Thread [Re: Petike]
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Originally Posted By: Petike
Originally Posted By: Romek

So I set up may MP6 in the following order:
MP6 -> Cakewalk UM-1G ->Laptop ->Creative soundcard -> mixer -> speakers or headphones.


I would like to ask something to this setup. I googled that "Cakewalk UM-1G" is a usb-midi "interface". I also found that there exist just usb-midi "cables" - is there any difference and can this device influence the resulting sound? Because if it is just a way to connect usb on my computer with midi on my Kawai MP6, I would buy the cheapest usb-midi cable available smile . Or am I wrong?

Next thing, is creative soundcard necessary? Because I think, I have some integrated sound card in my computer already. By the way, I own the computer "Lenovo Thinkpad T530".

And finally, could you recommend me some cheapest but such mixer, where I don't loose any sound quality smile ? I asked in one computer store to this, and they were offering me some Behringer with 4 inputs for about 40 euros.


I think you can use a simple MIDI - USB cable without any loss on the quality, the UM-1G has some additional features (MIDI through, low latency driver) but these are not necessary. I use Creative external soundcard just because I had one which was dying in the dust on my shelf :-). You can use your laptop's internal soundcard, however, I hear a significant improvement in the sound quality when using the external one. As for the mixer, I use Behringer Xenyx 802 with 4 inputs (probably you were offered the same thing) and I do not recommend it. It is very basic, and I am not happy with the sound, which is of much lower quality when compared with the sound directly from the soundcard. . I don't complain much, it was on sale wink . Furthermore, there was an annoying buzz in one of the channels and I had to use a hum killer to get rid of it. I don't know if it was the mixer that caused this noise, anyway it took me a while to figure out how to manage this. I cannot recommend anything else in terms of mixers (this is not my field) but I am sure there are much better performing ones than mine which will not ruin your budget
Maybe someone else has more experience in this area.

I hope you will find it helpful.
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#2154197 - 09/20/13 04:19 AM Re: Kawai MP6 User's Thread [Re: Romek]
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Thank you for your answers Romek, you are always very helpful smile .

If anybody else could recommend some good not-so-expensive mixer, I would be happy smile .
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#2154891 - 09/21/13 07:22 AM Re: Kawai MP6 User's Thread [Re: HisKidd]
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Hi, I'm thinking about buying an MP6 (over the ES7) because of its large onboard sound library.

I'd like to be able to play GS/GM general midi files from a USB memory stick plugged into the MP6 and have it play them as near as possible to the right instruments. Does it do this already? If not, can anyone tell me what edits one needs to make to the midi files (is it more than just changing instrument patch** numbers?) and which sequencer software you know for sure can do it. Any experiences you could share as to how easy or hard you have found it to get a faithful rendition of general midi files would be useful.

**To specify a unique sound it appears you need both a "program" number and "bank" number. The MP6 user manual lists the sounds or programs grouped into several banks. Each sound has a program number (1-128), and a bank number split into two bytes MSB + LSB (most and least significant bytes).
How do you select a bank and program in your sequencer software?
Can one midi file play instruments simultaneously from any banks?

Thanks for your help.

The MP6 manual seems good at 'what this button does', short on use cases. I wish the ES7 user manual author could be called back from his holidays to write an MP6 2nd edition!

Thanks to HisKidd for starting this forum.

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#2154918 - 09/21/13 08:54 AM Re: Kawai MP6 User's Thread [Re: HisKidd]
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Ratchetmaninov, the MP6 does offer a large selection of sounds, however it is not fully GM2 compatible. Therefore, MIDI files may not play exactly as intended.

There are a number of MIDI sequencers that allow instruments to be remapped - here is list from Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_MIDI_editors_and_sequencers

I believe the procedure to selecting instruments will depend on the software used.

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I wish the ES7 user manual author could be called back from his holidays to write an MP6 2nd edition!


The MP6 documentation does read like a Unix owner's manual, however I'm rather busy with other projects at the moment, and simply do not have the time to rewrite it, unfortunately..

Kind regards,
James
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#2154939 - 09/21/13 09:57 AM Re: Kawai MP6 User's Thread [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James

The MP6 documentation does read like a Unix owner's manual, however I'm rather busy with other projects at the moment, and simply do not have the time to rewrite it, unfortunately..


Lol Kawai James, I didn't know, you wrote the MP6 manual smile
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#2154967 - 09/21/13 11:11 AM Re: Kawai MP6 User's Thread [Re: HisKidd]
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I didn't really...I just added the new features to the existing MP5 manual (which was based on the MP4, which was based on the MP8, and possibly previous models before that), and tidied up the layout a little.

I definitely wouldn't consider the MP6 owner's manual to be one of my pieces - hence the my name is not in the 'Author' metatag. wink

Cheers,
James
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#2155002 - 09/21/13 12:32 PM Re: Kawai MP6 User's Thread [Re: Kawai James]
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I have a question to recording of external sounds. So far, I have played only MP6 internal sounds and when I wanted to record them, I plugged my USB flash disk to MP6, pressed "RECORDER" button and stored the played sounds to the USB flash disk.

In the future, I am planning to play some external sounds from my computer (MP6 -> USB/MIDI cabel -> computer). Will the external sounds be also recorded with my internal sounds to the USB flash disk?

P.S.: My computer has lot of USB inputs, but on MP6 there are many different inputs/outputs (http://www.m-music.at/files/upload/b54_328741e848.jpg):

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--USB to DEVICE section
--->USB to DEVICE

--MIDI section:
--->THRU
--->OUT
--->IN
--->USB to HOST
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So what type of cable do I need to connect MP6 with the computer? USB/MIDI? USB/USB? USB/MINI-USB (or which type os USB is that "USB to HOST")?

(My intuition says that "IN" could serve to transport MP6 key strokes to computer, and "OUT" could bring the resulting sound from the computer back to MP6. And what is the purpose of "THRU"?)


Thanks in advance.


Edited by Petike (09/21/13 12:34 PM)
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