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davinwv #2025207 02/01/13 11:41 AM
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Unlikely. There's not even a line-in on the VPC. It's intended to be an action only. There are precious few digitals with vibrating keys and they tend to be pianos with a strong emphasis on speaker quality (the VPC has no speakers).

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Yes, gvfarns is correct.


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Originally Posted by HisKidd
I'm still dumbfounded as to why a first class keyboard/controller would not be optimized for Mac! Please keep us informed as to if and when this added extra will become available. My plan right now would be to pick up an inexpensive Windows laptop just for use with the VPC1.

I can't see why this couldn't be used in a virtual machine, so if you already have a Mac I wouldn't bother buying an extra laptop. I wouldn't want to use a VM for any heavy (realtime) workloads, but apart from the learning functionality (which should be a decidedly light task) the editor seems more like an "offline" thing. It might even be possible to get it working under Wine, which would mean a completely free solution (Linux running on VirtualBox). Though USB support in Wine seems to be under development, so it might be a bit finicky to get working. The editor manual doesn't mention installing the driver as a requirement for using it, if that's not required that could make it a bit easier (James?).

Oh, hi, btw! *waves* I've been a lurker here for a while, nice and friendly place you've got here! smile I don't have a piano yet, I need to get a place where I have room for one first. Soon as I do, though, a piano will likely be one of the first pieces of "furniture" I get. Likely a VPC1, too — I've loved the action of the Kawais I've tried, and the VPC looks just great.

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Hi macnetic, welcome to the forum!

To respond to your query, The VPC1 can be connected via USB to a Mac or PC using the built-in USB-MIDI drivers included with Windows and OS X.

However, in order to use the VPC Editor, the Kawai USB driver must also be installed (as noted in the VPC1 owner's manual). I believe this is due to the way the VPC1 syncs settings stored in memory with the computer in real-time.

Once again, welcome to the forum!

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James, do you happen to have a full view picture of your VPC-Nord setup? Your nice pics make me want to see the whole thing - in particular, I'd like to see how it looks from the rear wink
Does the Electro fit upon the VPC in a stable way so you can play both keyboards?


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Hi maurus, I don't have any pics here at home, but will check at work on Monday.

I recall that the Electro fitted very snuggly on top of the VPC1 - my colleagues and I agree that it was a great match.

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Originally Posted by Kawai James
We've tested everything thoroughly, so there shouldn't be too many bugs/typos, however if you spot any issues, I would be grateful if you send a private message.

Hi James, it does not seem to be possible to send a private message to you as the following message is displayed: "Kawai James is over their Private Topic limit." FYI.

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Originally Posted by Peter B
Originally Posted by Kawai James
We've tested everything thoroughly, so there shouldn't be too many bugs/typos, however if you spot any issues, I would be grateful if you send a private message.

Hi James, it does not seem to be possible to send a private message to you as the following message is displayed: "Kawai James is over their Private Topic limit." FYI.


Peter B...
Thanks for posting this. I've also tried without success to send James a private message. James, how is this done?
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Everyone, for obvious reasons, wants to contact James, but we each have a limit of 200 PMs (IIRC) imposed by the Piano World system. Contact will be dependent on James deleting old messages.


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Sorry chaps, I had indeed reached the 200 message limit.

I've deleted some messages now, so please feel free to send a PM if you'd rather not post in the forum publicly.

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Kawai also makes the 9' EX, a couple of 5' grands, and some stuff in between. OK, I'll err on the safe side and assume it's based on a 5' action, thanks!

Dewster, I looked at the RM3 action display model in a piano store and measured the pivot length to 188 mm = 7.4 inch. Using the pictures of GF versus RM3 from Kawai's home page, the pivot length of GF is then estimated to 229 mm = 9.0 inch.

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All this talk of replacing "hardware" every few (3 to 5) years vs the "long term" has me wondering if this new controller board would be "right" for me.
I think my current keyboard had a birthday recently - probably its 30th.,,, nope, that was the speaker cabinet a Peavey KB-100.
The KX-88 predates that by a year or two, but doesn't seem "worn".
After touch ? the thing that FLOODS sound generators with midi messages they don't care about ?
Yeah, I think I have that.

I think the HOT sound generator at the time was he MKS20 ?
Something like that, but I never did get one.

GAS attack ? Yeah, I feel it.
Past due ? Dunno, maybe it will pass (-:

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Originally Posted by R_B
All this talk of replacing "hardware" every few (3 to 5) years vs the "long term" has me wondering if this new controller board would be "right" for me.


If you like the Kawai wood action and are used to using software pianos you can't go wrong with the VPC1. Go for it! smile


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Originally Posted by gvfarns
Unlikely. There's not even a line-in on the VPC. It's intended to be an action only. There are precious few digitals with vibrating keys and they tend to be pianos with a strong emphasis on speaker quality (the VPC has no speakers).


I just read a post stating that the vibration of the keys is an important feature.

https://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubb...0Pianos%20and%20Shige.html#Post2026250


I was all ready to buy the VPC1 but now I have to think twice again. Is vibrating keys really such a big deal?

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All this talk of replacing "hardware" every few (3 to 5) years vs the "long term" has me wondering if this new controller board would be "right" for me.


If you like the Kawai wood action and are used to using software pianos you can't go wrong with the VPC1. Go for it! smile


Does it have after touch ?
How much "better" (however defined) is it than a KX-88 ?

What I am used to is a U-220 and a quadraverb, not at all bad in their day and I suppose my tin ear hasn't appreciated anything significantly "better" (yet).
I have pianoteq, but I don't have a dedicated computer for the keyboard stuff, so hooking things up and loading programs to play is a bit of a hassle.

I am wondering if a Kawai DP would be a better choice, what sort of price are their top of the line uprights ?

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Is vibrating keys really such a big deal?

No. I believe the only DPs that have modeled this systematically are the Yamaha AvantGrand. Some DPs with built in speakers have vibrations from the speakers that can be felt through the keys. In my view such vibrations are nice to have but not a deal breaker if the action otherwise is great which I find the VPC to be.

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Vibrating keys are like fake ivory coatings: some people think it adds a lot, others (like myself) feel that it's essentially a gimmick.

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How about running an Integra 7 or a BK7m with this action. The BK7m would cost about the same as a laptop about $750 with retailers coupons the Integra 7 $2000. but what fun.


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Originally Posted by Rich W
How about running an Integra 7 or a BK7m with this action. The BK7m would cost about the same as a laptop about $750 with retailers coupons the Integra 7 $2000. but what fun.


I'll be using it with the Jupiter 80.


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Are the Jupiter 80's SN pianos the same as the RD-700NX?

Does it include Dr P's favourite 'Studio Grand', for example?

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