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One of the best all-Chopin concerts I've attended in recent years was when Louis Lortie performed both sets of Etudes Op.10 & 25, plus the Trois nouvelles études I've heard him with the same programme. He's brilliant and I agree that it was one of the best all Chopin recitals I've yet heard.
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Have not heard Lortie live yet but I have enjoyed his recordings. I have also enjoyed Trifonov's Chopin. In fact I am seeing / listening to him tomorrow in an interesting program mix:: The (Chopin) Preludes, Scriabin's second sonata and the Liszt sonata!
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One of the best all-Chopin concerts I've attended in recent years was when Louis Lortie performed both sets of Etudes Op.10 & 25, plus the Trois nouvelles études which made up the novelty in his program. Yes, that was one mind-blowing program. I was joking with my colleague that Louis Lortie probably plays through that entire set every morning just to warm up.
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One of the best all-Chopin concerts I've attended in recent years was when Louis Lortie performed both sets of Etudes Op.10 & 25, plus the Trois nouvelles études which made up the novelty in his program. Yes, that was one mind-blowing program. I was joking with my colleague that Louis Lortie probably plays through that entire set every morning just to warm up. He does seem to have it at the ready all the time - wasn't there a story a year or two ago where he filled in for someone with it at more or less a moment's notice? I've heard him do it, too, and while it was an astonishing stunt (and AFAIAC, it is a stunt more than anything else), it solidified my feeling that the Chopin etudes played as sets do not make for good recital programming. And all three sets are just that much more dreadful. I remember thinking afterwards that, in spite of how excellent Lortie is, I spent way too much time thinking about when one etude would be over, and how he would play the next. I can't think of anyone I'd willingly go hear do that program again.
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There are 2 etudes that I don't mind hearing, and those are op.25 no.6 and op.25 no.11, but everything else I don't really want to listen to. I used to like listening to op.10 no.4 since I thought it was impressive, but since I can play that one pretty fast now (well, if I revive it) it no longer awes me when someone pulls it off at a very quick tempo.
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There are 2 etudes that I don't mind hearing, and those are op.25 no.6 and op.25 no.11, but everything else I don't really want to listen to. I used to like listening to op.10 no.4 since I thought it was impressive, but since I can play that one pretty fast now (well, if I revive it) it no longer awes me when someone pulls it off at a very quick tempo. What about op. 25-3? Such a cute little piece! Trifinov plays it best. www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLZ4WJiDldU#t=4m45sActually his 2, 3, 4 and 5 are all very good (these happen to be my favorite of the etudes)
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Now that you mention it, I do like the main theme of 25-4 quite a bit, and same with the middle section of 25-5. However I'd rather listen to Hamelin etude no.1 (triple etude)  EDIT: now that I go listen to Kissin play 10-4, I think I like it again? 
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How do you manage that? Can you post the fingering (if you dare)? OK, you dragged it out of me.  All I need to do is say the first few notes, and you could figure out the rest. First of all I do what Thrill said  and then on the next 4 notes (G-C-E-C) the RH does 1-2-4-2, then shifts up to play the next 4 notes the same way, and so on. Sometimes it's 1-3-5-3 or 1-2-5-2 or whatever, depending on how the notes lay out. And where you can't take the first RH note of a figure with the LH, you use 2 and then jump the thumb to the next note. (And BTW maybe sometimes you actually have to 'stretch' as much as an octave, don't remember for sure, glad to say I haven't done this stupid trick in years.) It's a genuine felony. LOL - And you're cheating on the easy parts! What's the cheat on the A arpeggios and such? That's where a cheat could be useful
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LOL - And you're cheating on the easy parts! What's the cheat on the A arpeggios and such? That's where a cheat could be useful Yeah, that's a little different.... 2*12 4212 4212 etc. (Or, grouping the notes as they lie in the hand, 2* 1242 1242 etc.) * Or, following the cheat in the OP, you can take that first RH note with the LH.
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How about we try that fingering....
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Yes, quite a bit. But look -- I love them both. Food for thought: Is it possible really to love two etude opuses at the same time? (Or, if you prefer, etude opera.) I guess I just see op. 25 as being so much more colorful. Agreed. Now, i'm not Chopin's biggest fan, but his op. 25 is my favourite Chopin work, and probably in my top 10 solo piano works overall. I also like Op. 10 quite a lot, but to me 25 is in a different league.
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How about we try that fingering.... lol
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