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You can apply all sorts of scientific measures to this issue.

It still comes down to playing it and listening for yourself.

If you cannot play it and there are several "warnings" about this issue, then you would be wise to reconsider the purchase.

If you just want to forge ahead and purchase it, regardless of the warnings, then you will eventually have the "truth" ... as you hear it anyway.

I guess I’ll have to follow “expert” advice.

dmd:
“For that kind of money you can also get the Casio PX-350.
I have never been a fan of Casio due to what I consider too short of a decay on the tones.
However, I played the 350 over the weekend and they seem to have overcome that problem and the tone is excellent. “

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Note: The Celviano 650 has the same sound engine as the PX-350

Andy,

Looks like you forgot to include the link to your recording?

You are right about my comment.

Note the use of my word ... SEEM ...

I was not consciously checking for issues with decay but ... yes, I did not notice anything that alarmed me.

The part about having the same engine is something I have heard so you may be correct.

But, it still would not be enough for me to purchase it without playing it first.

I learned my lesson on that with my purchase of the AP-620 so I am a little extra cautious about this sort of thing.

Good Luck to you.

PV88 - Wasnt planning on providing a recording...just using this as another example of where the legato melody would be let down by the intital decay on the AP-650.

There will be, as you can imagine many more pieces that will struggle on the AP-650 with this decay issue. I'm just using examples from my own repetoire.

Okay, I see... and, yes, the "initial decay" is definitely the issue, no doubt.

What do you think of the Casio x50 action vs the Roland Ivory Feel-G w/Escapement?

Pretty similar really. Casio probably shades it by a fraction for realism but the sound is a major letdown.

Hello Andy,

Are your arms yet tired of beating this dead horse? All 23 of your first 23 forum posts over 2+ months are related to your brief disappointment before exchanging the instrument. Did the piano kick your dog before it left? Your post is here for all to read, search, consider or ignore.

I'm glad you are happy with your Roland (I'm pretty attached to my own Roland) but join the forum and find another topic to discuss. What started off as your story has become tiresome. As of now, all I see typical, anonymous trolling in a clear pattern.

Bit out of order. I was just answering a question. I came onto this forum to share my experiences with other dp enthusiasts and to discuss the Casio and give my honest opinion. If you find it tiresome don't read this thread. I'm sure other members have taken an interest in this topic.

Yes, you have done the right thing in getting this info out as I have owned several Casio digitals with issues, too.

All Casio digitals, thus far, do not have sufficient decay and resonance.

That's disingenuous. You told your story freely (no problem there, but it was not in response to anyone else) and then kept bringing it back up. I didn't jump on you for your opinion, but when someone has only one message to express over and over (all 23 of their first 23 posts) experience has shown me that eventually they turn out to be socks or trolls.

To characterize a sound you don't like as a flaw is also disingenuous. A buzz is a flaw. A failing note is a flaw. A bad power supply is a flaw. A sound profile is very intentional. Not liking it is like not liking dark chocolate or coffee. One doesn't attack the coffee unless it is stale or cold. You simply offer your opinion and move on.

The V-piano from Roland gets some funny, controversial attention, but from members who participate in a greater variety of discussions. I like when new people participate, ask questions and share opinions. Most new members tend to ask more questions first and opine later. I naturally question when they have only one and always negative agenda. If you participate on other forums, you have to admit this is logical.

+1 I couldn't have said it better myself, Sam....

K.

I agree that it was good to get the message out. I too, had a bad experience with the AP-620.

However, I don't think it needs to be ARGUED, over and over.

I would suggest that you give out your opinion based on your experience and then leave it at that.

There is no need to "convince" someone that you are right.

They will find out the truth soon enough.

And, when they do ... they will listen a little more closely next time.

I would like to buy a Celviano AP 650, but I’m running into a lot of dead ends as to who might be able to sell one. Also, there doesn’t appear to be any info about what the sales price might be.

For example, Casio’s “Store Locator” (at http://www.casiomusicgear.com/wheretobuy ) doesn’t find anything for Celvianos.

Mike?

They were working on the dealer locator today. It may be fixed by tomorrow. Send me a PM and I can see if I can find out near you.

Andy, pv88, and Don may very well get “the last laugh”. While my first choice WAS a Casio Celviano AP 650, there is an ongoing problem with Casio as to their ability to sell it. (And of course – my ability to buy it.)

I talked with the Kawai dealer this morning (Schmitt Music in Denver) and got a firm price quote on a Kawai CN34. They are temporally out of stock but will have an incoming shipment early next week. The Kawai will cost several hundred dollars more than the Casio (and this is a guess as I can’t get a firm quote for the 650), but at this point the CN34 has one very large advantage. (It is something other than “vaporware”.)

Basically, it’s come down to Casio getting its act together. If Casio is able to sell me a Celviano AP 650 by early next week (before the CN34 can ship), I’ll buy the 650. Otherwise it will be the CN34.

As to which of the above possibilities appears more likely, I’ve downloaded and am reading the User’s Manual for the CN34.

Note to Mike:
As of this morning, Casio’s Dealer Locator still doesn’t show anything for any major city in Colorado or for that matter, in my neighboring state of New Mexico.

DBill
Try sending Mike a PM. I think he will do what he can and try and help.

In Casio's defense:

it's a new model - it has to be made and shipped AND distributed among many countries and dealers (they can't have piles of stock all at once); the CN34 has been around a while longer, so I don't think it's really fair to compare the two on their availability at this moment. It simply takes time to ramp up production and stock all dealers worldwide.

Other than that both seem relatively good products , although different in some respects. I would choose what I like best, not what comes one , or two weeks earlier or later. In context of it's expected lifespan and use that means nothing...

I am not considering this discussion a contest to see who wins. I was (and am) only relating what my experience was and then giving you my best advice based on that experience.

I am pretty sure that if you take my advice (play it before purchasing it) you will be able to make a good decision.

If you decide to ignore that advice, that is fine too. I have no dog in the race.

If things work out for you ... great. If not, I certainly will not be laughing.

Life goes on ...