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#1915872 - 06/19/12 05:26 PM Re: Valentina Lisitsa at Royal Albert Hall [Re: suniil]
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I just wish she hadn't gone so fast...much faster at parts than in the video which is already so fast..
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#1915873 - 06/19/12 05:27 PM Re: Valentina Lisitsa at Royal Albert Hall [Re: suniil]
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Oh my god she starts in such crazy tempos in some pieces, this can't go right with La Campanella. laugh

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#1915876 - 06/19/12 05:33 PM Re: Valentina Lisitsa at Royal Albert Hall [Re: suniil]
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The blue hairs must be aghast that there was applause during the beginning octaves of La Campanella.
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#1915878 - 06/19/12 05:40 PM Re: Valentina Lisitsa at Royal Albert Hall [Re: suniil]
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I can only speak as a music lover, but I’ve really enjoyed this concert.
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#1915880 - 06/19/12 05:44 PM Re: Valentina Lisitsa at Royal Albert Hall [Re: suniil]
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I'd say that was fantastic!
Great HD video and sound capture .... streaming live in to my living room out in the middle of the forest on the wild west coast of Canada.
What an age we live in to be able to share such events in real time.
Thanks Valentina and all the crew involved.

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#1915884 - 06/19/12 05:53 PM Re: Valentina Lisitsa at Royal Albert Hall [Re: suniil]
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The strangest thing for me was how she barely paused between pieces. The segue from the Chopin Nocturne to Totentanz was pretty weird. I guess she was trying to fit everything in because there was a time limit, but it made it seem frantic. Too bad she couldn't take her time.

Otherwise, I really enjoyed it (watching out of the corner of my eye while working, listening on headphones).

And of course she was really nervous -- who wouldn't be? -- but I thought she pulled it off well.
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#1915890 - 06/19/12 05:59 PM Re: Valentina Lisitsa at Royal Albert Hall [Re: suniil]
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My only real criticism would be the excessive length of the program, especially the second half.

I liked her performance of the Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody and Schubert Liszt song transcriptions the most.

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#1915893 - 06/19/12 06:09 PM Re: Valentina Lisitsa at Royal Albert Hall [Re: Entheo]
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Originally Posted By: Entheo
she is exactly the kind of talent classical music needs, capable of attracting a whole new audience and reaching them thru new media.

Well said.

Preaching to the same choir will not sustain the classics much beyond the current generation of old fogies such as myself. And if it takes embracing new technologies and allowing a younger generation of pianists to show a little more of their personalities (God, forbid!), then so be it. At least Bach, Beethoven and Chopin may actually live to see another day.


Edited by Old Man (06/19/12 07:42 PM)

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#1915901 - 06/19/12 06:36 PM Re: Valentina Lisitsa at Royal Albert Hall [Re: suniil]
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It was wonderful to see that on YouTube, and judging from the YouTube comments, this was a much-needed introduction to the classical piano repertoire for a lot of kids!

(And I always support fellow Bösendorfer Artists :-) )
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#1915925 - 06/19/12 07:44 PM Re: Valentina Lisitsa at Royal Albert Hall [Re: babama]
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poor babama wishes they could be as amazing

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#1915930 - 06/19/12 07:59 PM Re: Valentina Lisitsa at Royal Albert Hall [Re: AlexanderGrant71]
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Originally Posted By: AlexanderGrant71
poor babama wishes they could be as amazing


Don't.

I liked her Totentanz the most. It was crazy fast, but it's kind of okay to lose it with that piece. smile
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#1915940 - 06/19/12 08:42 PM Re: Valentina Lisitsa at Royal Albert Hall [Re: suniil]
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Arghhh! I missed it! Probably a good chance that some or all of the performances will be up on YouTube, knowing her.

Anyone know the full program?


Edited by didyougethathing (06/19/12 08:42 PM)

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#1915961 - 06/19/12 10:05 PM Re: Valentina Lisitsa at Royal Albert Hall [Re: suniil]
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#1916020 - 06/20/12 12:04 AM Re: Valentina Lisitsa at Royal Albert Hall [Re: Lisa C]
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Woah! Thanks! grin

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#1916030 - 06/20/12 12:15 AM Re: Valentina Lisitsa at Royal Albert Hall [Re: Lisa C]
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Thanks for the link! It's about 12% of the way to being on my ipod. smile
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#1916031 - 06/20/12 12:17 AM Re: Valentina Lisitsa at Royal Albert Hall [Re: suniil]
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Anyone else hear the dude's camera in the front row? Kinda irritating :\

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#1916085 - 06/20/12 06:38 AM Re: Valentina Lisitsa at Royal Albert Hall [Re: AlexanderGrant71]
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Originally Posted By: AlexanderGrant71
poor babama wishes they could be as amazing


No I don't, I want to have a life next to piano. Just being out there in front of so many and performing all these pieces on this level is something I could never do nor want to do.
But nobody is beyond critique. I think she rushed too much and that particularly affected the Rachmaninoff pieces.
Besides that, impressive performance and big respect for her.
I guess you're one of those blind fanboys from youtube who don't allow any critique. If you read all my posts in this thread you'll see I'm actually quite positive.


Edited by babama (06/20/12 06:44 AM)

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#1916095 - 06/20/12 07:24 AM Re: Valentina Lisitsa at Royal Albert Hall [Re: suniil]
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The worst kind of fan is one who is blind to the artist's faults.

I really enjoyed the concert. May write more about it later when I'm home and not on my phone.

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#1916096 - 06/20/12 07:28 AM Re: Valentina Lisitsa at Royal Albert Hall [Re: Damon]
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Originally Posted By: Damon


Thanks for the link! It's about 12% of the way to being on my ipod. smile


You can skip the first 20 minutes or so. Lengthy banter and some kind of light comedy act. "If your phone rings, please email me your name and phone number so you can get credit on the CD". FOud it pretty annoying and lost my patience. will have to check it out later.

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#1916187 - 06/20/12 11:03 AM Re: Valentina Lisitsa at Royal Albert Hall [Re: suniil]
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Wow people are still talking about her? Yawn.

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#1916228 - 06/20/12 12:29 PM Re: Valentina Lisitsa at Royal Albert Hall [Re: suniil]
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That's a bit mean spirited. I thought her pre concert talk was delightful.

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#1916241 - 06/20/12 01:04 PM Re: Valentina Lisitsa at Royal Albert Hall [Re: debrucey]
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Originally Posted By: debrucey
That's a bit mean spirited. I thought her pre concert talk was delightful.


I bet there was a huge difference being there and watching on YouTube as far as that goes though ...
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#1916268 - 06/20/12 01:54 PM Re: Valentina Lisitsa at Royal Albert Hall [Re: didyougethathing]
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I stopped after a few minutes, it was so distracting.

Edit: In response to "Anyone else hear the dude's camera in the front row? Kinda irritating :\"


Edited by notbach (06/20/12 01:55 PM)
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#1916273 - 06/20/12 02:08 PM Re: Valentina Lisitsa at Royal Albert Hall [Re: notbach]
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Originally Posted By: notbach
I stopped after a few minutes, it was so distracting.

Edit: In response to "Anyone else hear the dude's camera in the front row? Kinda irritating :\"


Luckily it stops about halfway through the first piece.

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#1916287 - 06/20/12 02:41 PM Re: Valentina Lisitsa at Royal Albert Hall [Re: JoelW]
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Originally Posted By: scherzojoe
Wow people are still talking about her? Yawn.

Wow, and people are still talking about Jimmy Page on your thread? grin

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#1916467 - 06/20/12 11:18 PM Re: Valentina Lisitsa at Royal Albert Hall [Re: Andromaque]
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Originally Posted By: Andromaque
Originally Posted By: Damon


Thanks for the link! It's about 12% of the way to being on my ipod. smile


You can skip the first 20 minutes or so. Lengthy banter and some kind of light comedy act. "If your phone rings, please email me your name and phone number so you can get credit on the CD". FOud it pretty annoying and lost my patience. will have to check it out later.
I think she's so humble and charming. I enjoyed the talk.

I loved the Chopin Eb Nocturne, a piece I've certainly heard enough of. I enjoyed the bits of originality in there (now let's hear from those who hated it.)

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#1916480 - 06/20/12 11:55 PM Re: Valentina Lisitsa at Royal Albert Hall [Re: Ridicolosamente]
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Originally Posted By: Ridicolosamente

I loved the Chopin Eb Nocturne, a piece I've certainly heard enough of. I enjoyed the bits of originality in there (now let's hear from those who hated it.)

-Daniel


If you read the program notes (here), she mentions that she bought a new Urtext edition and found two versions, one with the ornamentations that she used. I've never heard of any such edition, I wonder if someone can clarify.


Edited by didyougethathing (06/20/12 11:55 PM)

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#1916516 - 06/21/12 01:57 AM Re: Valentina Lisitsa at Royal Albert Hall [Re: didyougethathing]
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Originally Posted By: didyougethathing
Originally Posted By: Ridicolosamente

I loved the Chopin Eb Nocturne, a piece I've certainly heard enough of. I enjoyed the bits of originality in there (now let's hear from those who hated it.)

-Daniel


If you read the program notes (here), she mentions that she bought a new Urtext edition and found two versions, one with the ornamentations that she used. I've never heard of any such edition, I wonder if someone can clarify.
What she plays is close, but not exactly identical, to the "Version with later authentic variants" that appears in the Polish National Edition edited by Jan Ekier. That may be the edition she's referring to.

Speaking of the nocturnes, I found it interesting that in the program notes Lisitsa passionately advocates taking 27/2 at the indicated 50 dotted quarters per minute, and yet in the recital played it at a much more conventional 30 to 32. She claims in the notes that it makes "perfect sense" at 50, but I just tried it myself and found that hard to imagine, except possibly through the use of so much rubato as to make a tempo the exception rather than the rule. In particular, the (in)famous measure 52, with its 48 consecutive notes, would require 20 notes per second if rendered at full speed!

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#1916645 - 06/21/12 09:50 AM Re: Valentina Lisitsa at Royal Albert Hall [Re: suniil]
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Are there speakers connected to the piano? How do the audiences at the back even hear the piano properly in such a big hall?

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#1916700 - 06/21/12 12:21 PM Re: Valentina Lisitsa at Royal Albert Hall [Re: suniil]
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I've never known classical music to be amplified in the RAH: its very reverberant acoustic can project even a solo piano's ppp to the back of the hall, as long as the audience is silent.

When Evgeny Kissin, Lang Lang, Andras Schiff and Maria Joao Pires played there in the past (in the BBC Proms), they weren't amplified.
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