Let me put it this way.
For example, Pogorelich, carey, Vica are true pianists.
I am an amateur.
And Mrs.Lisitsa is somewhere in between.

Some forum members are true pianists and some aren't? Angelina is a student, I thought, and one whose recordings you have criticized in the past. Can't you define this a little clearer. Your example makes it more confusing. Carey and Vica have also posted very good recordings but...? Do you know more about them personally than an average forum member would? Do they all play for money? I do but I'm not as good as any of you.

Even if she had played note perfect, I would still find the review she had tweeted very generous.
IMO, she is not a true pianist/musician. She really can't listen to what she is playing.

I also don't believe true musicians are always paid more or get more recognition. It's much more than just about being a 'professional' or an 'amateur'. It has more to do with having something to say and knowing how to communicate it. In my definition Pogorelich, carey, and Vica are closer to what I would consider to be true 'professionals'. Why so much focus on money?

I was trying not to say anything but I don't think she can really hear what she's doing. When I listen to this performance I don't sense that she really knows what she's trying to say. Where's the phrasing? The singing tone?

It's so puzzling to me because I don't see anything in her technique that would hinder her musicianship, nothing wrong there.

I also don't believe true musicians are always paid more or get more recognition. It's much more than just about being a 'professional' or an 'amateur'. It has more to do with having something to say and knowing how to communicate it. In my definition Pogorelich, carey, and Vica are closer to what I would consider to be true 'professionals'. Why so much focus on money?

but I was rather surprised to watch her feet doing the legato instead of her fingers,

Because that's what professionals do. They make money.

What Hakki is saying makes no sense to me. You may not like what she has to say, and that's valid, but she is definitely saying something with a technique I haven't heard from the forum members mentioned. (whose recordings I also enjoy, BTW!)

I think Mrs.Lisitsa really needs a teacher.
It is never too late.

What's the point of your long series of negative comments? It gives me the impression there is some personal animosity involved. If not, why not just say once you personally don't like her playing and be done with it?

What's the point of your long series of negative comments? It gives me the impression there is some personal animosity involved. If not, why not just say once you personally don't like her playing and be done with it?

Well, you might be impressed by her technique. But to me it is just superficial playing and I am not that impressed.

Mozart, Chopin are all played childishly.

So true pianists get paid? Or are true pianists people who get paid and play the way you like? How good and how much money before you cross the (your) line? I consider you a good pianist despite your claim of amateur status. No offense but I think Lisitsa is better. I think we are working with different definitions here, making the conversation unnecessarily difficult.

yes, if the definition of a professional is "a person who is paid to undertake a specialized set of tasks and to complete them for a fee" then poor van gogh was an amateur as well since his brother was unable to sell any of his paintings during his lifetime.

I think that Hakki is being a bit too harsh I did skip to the Nocturne that Hakki pointed out and I found it to be utterly.. not to my taste. But perhaps a bit more seriously worse than that: it looses most of Chopin's spirit, lacks elegance and- what I would define as-musicality . With all due respects to Ms. Listsa.
I would be curious to hear what others thought of it.

+1

I think Mrs.Lisitsa really needs a teacher.
It is never too late.

There is a chance she played too fast from nerves, there is the probablity she may have played wrong or missed notes, she wasn't perfect and it appears anything less than perfection was either going to disappoint many, or provide the tool they have been aching to grab and bash her with.

I think she is brilliant and I loved every second. Here is a professional concert pianist who has actually let me watch her practice, how fantastic and entertaining was that?

She played 2 and a half hours of, at times, fiendishly difficult pieces without any sheet music.

As I understand it you are saying there are three levels,

1 True concert.
2 Less good but managing somehow.
3 The rest.


I have seen some of your posts on youtube and have no intention of criticising your excellent playing, I wish I was as good. However, I believe Valentina Lisitsa is considerably more than 1 level above yourself.

No she isn't
(in my humble opinion of course)
She only has more technique.
Listen to some of his videos and i'm sure they touch you more than Lisitsa's playing!