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#2031776 - 02/12/13 11:29 AM The Audio, Video Music Production Thread
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I am starting this thread in the hope of having a central location for learning tricks to making great video/audio productions with piano being the main component.

It is to include audio, which includes microphones of all types and the recording devices that go with the mics, be it stand alone Zooms to other high end equipment. All well as techniques for better sound.

Video of all type from Flip Cameras to high end HD cameras of all types. From single camera views to multiple camera angles.

Software of all types that allow the mixing of audio and/or video and the know how to make productions of high quality.

All miscellaneous audio/video equipment that allows us to make great productions.

But most of all, I hope those who REALLY have the talent to teach us some of their tricks of the trade, to help us make these artsy audio and video productions. From simple title graphics, to adding layers of other add on instruments, to multiple camera angles, etc. I'm always amazed at some of the productions I see from the users here and elsewhere and would like to learn some of these skills.

So please feel free to jump in, and share your thoughts and ideas and even post your work to give us ideas or to just show off. smile



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#2031782 - 02/12/13 11:39 AM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Mark...]
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To start, I use a Flip HD camera and the software it comes with to crop my videos, Zoom H2 for a better audio (The Flip camera audio tends to be harsh), Audacity software to crop sound files and to normalize, and Sony Vegas 10 software to mix the audio and video. I bought it as an older version and does a nice job. I haven't scratched the surface on what it can really do.

This is my latest production using the above setup. (ignore the errors). I would like to add multiple camera angles as a new trick...


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#2031816 - 02/12/13 12:37 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Mark...]
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I think it possibly a good Idea to look what the professional recording studios use vis a vis miking a piano, once the reasoning is understood ( and it may be complex but not brain surgery) we could then work backwards so to speak... In terms of "substitutes" and cheaper alternatives without too much loss of quality, obviously.

This way, it would be helpful ( I believe) for folk to know exactly what they are aiming for.
just an idea.
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#2031844 - 02/12/13 01:14 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Mark...]
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That is a way to start...although I am actually pretty happy with my Zoom H2 audio, I know you can get really super good sound with high end mics and such. I saw one that was designed for a piano with multiple mics on a bar cross all the registers.

Any experts like to chime in on microphone options?

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#2032223 - 02/13/13 01:16 AM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Mark...]
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Great idea for a thread... I hope it will "stick" and have a long and useful life.

I have a question: what can one do to marry MP4 video with MP3 audio?

Background: I'm not able to move any MP4 or WAV files recorded off of my phone directly to a PC. I can move the files, but something about the formatting makes them unusable in Windows Media Player, Audacity, probably anything else. However, I can upload MP4 to YouTube successfully. I also found an Android app to convert MP4 audio to an MP3 audio file. I still can't move the MP3 directly to my PC and have it work. However, Sand Tiger helped me figure out that I can email the MP3 to myself and then it works just fine on the PC.

All that is great (well not ideal, but good enough) for recording an acoustic piano using the phone. It actually comes out much better than I would have assumed a phone could do.

When I go to record a DP though, then I have an issue because the microphones in the phone do a lousy job with recording from speakers vs. a real soundboard. It just sounds awful.

If I record the line out from the DP to my computer with Audacity, and use the phone for the video, how can I get the audio and video merged together?

I still haven't actually gotten line out from the DP into an MP3, but I'm hopeful that this can be done without too much fuss. It's an older keyboard, so it doesn't have USB or anything like that to make things simple. It does have a 3.5" floppy drive though... smile

I looked for an Android app that would merge MP4/MP3 (since I can email the MP3 from my PC to my phone, but can't transfer an MP4 successfully from my phone to my PC), but nothing looked like it worked all that well. I didn't try any, just going based on other user comments. There was one that might have worked well, but it was basically malware. Blech.

Any ideas?
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#2032229 - 02/13/13 01:28 AM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Mark...]
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This one is interesting, re: Mic placement on a grand:



The comments/debate on YT are interesting too.
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#2032285 - 02/13/13 06:03 AM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Mark...]
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I have a question: what can one do to marry MP4 video with MP3 audio?

I use Sony Vegas software to add Flip camera video with audio, then I can delete the Flip camera sound and then add my Zoom H2 audio which sounds much better. Then I sync the two together, which is an art itself. Then you process them together which the software calls rendering. You can save it in any file format you want.

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#2032303 - 02/13/13 07:27 AM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Mark...]
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Originally Posted By: Mark...
I have a question: what can one do to marry MP4 video with MP3 audio?


I'm sure there are other ways but I use these a lot. They will marry or separate almost any video or audio format (certainly your mp4/mp3). The resultant file is an mkv which youtube uploads and converts to its own preferences.

http://www.videohelp.com/tools/MKVtoolnix
http://www.videohelp.com/tools/MKVExtractGUI-2

These are both free and frequently updated, bug-free in my experience. Dead simple drag and drop interface. Also, you can slide the mp3 and mp4 against each other very easily. I notice the audio on your opening clip lags the video so you can sort that out easily.

I've had this on my laptop for years so I can't remember exactly the download protocol but I believe the interface is the toolnix app. The extractGUI is under the bonnet and is required but not seen by the user interface. This latter should probably be installed first.

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#2032341 - 02/13/13 08:42 AM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Mark...]
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Mark - I'm certainly glad that you didn't promote this thread as a basic, elementary introduction to audio/video recording and production - already you guys have hit the ground running, leaving far behind the beginner/novice in your "technical dust" - this always happens, and those with the technical skills/knowledge tend strongly to show off (and not just at the piano) - which is just fine for those at the experienced, advanced level of expertise - but from the start not really helpful for the newbie - maybe another simultaneous thread with a much more gradual and basic approach where posters weren't compelled to flash their wizardry would be much more useful for the beginners in our ranks, who would be far less overwhelmed and discouraged by all the high level techie talk - maybe even with lots of pictures and diagrams and definitions of terms and links to sites where the equipment described can be seen (instead of trying to guess or imagine what is being described)...

For example: Instead of the question about what one can do to "marry" an mp4 video with and mp3 audio, one might give some idea of what the mp4 video and mp3 audio are and why one might want to marry them.

Basically a great idea here, but needing a kinder, gentler approach for the beginner...


Edited by TrapperJohn (02/13/13 08:47 AM)
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#2032583 - 02/13/13 04:53 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Mark...]
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John, we don't have an intermediate area here on Pianoworld, so I had no choice but to post it here.

If you read my opening remarks, I want to learn and share high end video/audio tricks from the users here who wish to share their expertise. My production stuff is basic. Most who post on You Tube know this stuff. I love the artsy video production stuff that makes music that much better.

Also we can and will cover basic recording and production if some one asks.

The name of this forum "Adult Beginner" is a misnomer. It covers every kind of player and user.

If you go to the sticky "important threads" thread, they have links to basic recording.






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#2032592 - 02/13/13 05:11 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: aTallGuyNH]
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Originally Posted By: aTallGuyNH
This one is interesting, re: Mic placement on a grand:



The comments/debate on YT are interesting too.


Some useful tips, thanks aTallGuyNH. I wonder what input device they use to feed multiple microphones?

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#2032597 - 02/13/13 05:16 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: dire tonic]
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Originally Posted By: dire tonic
Originally Posted By: Mark...
I have a question: what can one do to marry MP4 video with MP3 audio?


I'm sure there are other ways but I use these a lot. They will marry or separate almost any video or audio format (certainly your mp4/mp3). The resultant file is an mkv which youtube uploads and converts to its own preferences.

http://www.videohelp.com/tools/MKVtoolnix
http://www.videohelp.com/tools/MKVExtractGUI-2

These are both free and frequently updated, bug-free in my experience. Dead simple drag and drop interface. Also, you can slide the mp3 and mp4 against each other very easily. I notice the audio on your opening clip lags the video so you can sort that out easily.

I've had this on my laptop for years so I can't remember exactly the download protocol but I believe the interface is the toolnix app. The extractGUI is under the bonnet and is required but not seen by the user interface. This latter should probably be installed first.

I'll give that a try. Free is good!! Thanks!
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#2032610 - 02/13/13 05:59 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Mark...]
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Great playing and video Mark!

Originally Posted By: Mark...
I would like to add multiple camera angles as a new trick...


I am no expert on video editing but I recently started working with multicam videos and it is so much fun! I am constantly experimenting with new things and I will monitor this thread for tips and tricks.

I think the key to making multicam vidoes is to have a video editor that supports it. Vegas 10 has support for it so you are on the right track Mark. It is a very good video editor from what I have heard.

So far I have experimented with two and three cameras but only using single takes. That is I have them record the entire performance along with the audio recording. Thus, you need to have the same number of cameras as you have angles. One thing, which I am sure you are aware of, is that video editing is VERY time consuming.

Here is my first music video in which I used three cameras (two ipods and one ipad):

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#2032626 - 02/13/13 06:33 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Amaruk]
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Great playing and video Mark!

Originally Posted By: Mark...
I would like to add multiple camera angles as a new trick...


I am no expert on video editing but I recently started working with multicam videos and it is so much fun! I am constantly experimenting with new things and I will monitor this thread for tips and tricks.

I think the key to making multicam vidoes is to have a video editor that supports it. Vegas 10 has support for it so you are on the right track Mark. It is a very good video editor from what I have heard.

So far I have experimented with two and three cameras but only using single takes. That is I have them record the entire performance along with the audio recording. Thus, you need to have the same number of cameras as you have angles. One thing, which I am sure you are aware of, is that video editing is VERY time consuming.

Here is my first music video in which I used three cameras (two ipods and one ipad):



Believe it or not your videos are part of the inspiration for this thread. I always enjoy them in the piano bar. Hope you can teach us some of your tricks.

Like in your excellent video, when music is added to inspirational video, it makes the music that much more moving and enjoyable. Some great real movies would be so much less without their sound tracks.

Eventually I'd like to add the fade in video like it this video after I get the multi camera part working. Looks like I need more cameras...

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#2032650 - 02/13/13 07:19 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Mark...]
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Thanks for those kind words Mark!

Originally Posted By: Mark...
Some great real movies would be so much less without their sound tracks.


So true.

You can do multicam videos with a single camera too. I might try that one day too. The trick is to have multiple takes of the same performance and make sure you play it consistently (or editing is going to be so much harder...) every time. This is how the pros do it I think. If you do a single take as I do in my videos, you automatically have a perfect match between audio and video at all angles. All you need to do is to sync and cut between angles where you think it fits with the music.

Regarding syncing, I typically play with headphones on my RD-700NX (I have no speakers for it). But for the recordings in my videos I typically connect a $5 computer speaker to the line out of the piano. The cameras will then record the performance and that makes syncing so much easier. The audio recorded by the piano (USB) is what I use in the videos as it has the best quality (pure digital recording).
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#2032668 - 02/13/13 07:39 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Mark...]
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Originally Posted By: Mark...


Hope you can teach us some of your tricks.



One thing that I have noticed is that camera placement becomes tricky when you use multiple cameras as you don't want the cameras to be in the video. Thus you need to plan things a bit more. However, there is a neat trick you could use if you have a hard time hiding the cameras from view. It is called garbage matte. With it you kind of combine to clips in a seamless way. Here is a quick experiment I did with it that shows how it works. My tripod with one of my ipods magically disappear as I superimpose a portion of another clip (or picture) in which the tripod was removed.



There are so many fun things you can do with video!


Edited by Amaruk (02/13/13 07:47 PM)
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#2032705 - 02/13/13 08:31 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Amaruk]
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Originally Posted By: Amaruk
Originally Posted By: Mark...


Hope you can teach us some of your tricks.



One thing that I have noticed is that camera placement becomes tricky when you use multiple cameras as you don't want the cameras to be in the video. Thus you need to plan things a bit more. However, there is a neat trick you could use if you have a hard time hiding the cameras from view. It is called garbage matte. With it you kind of combine to clips in a seamless way. Here is a quick experiment I did with it that shows how it works. My tripod with one of my ipods magically disappear as I superimpose a portion of another clip (or picture) in which the tripod was removed.



There are so many fun things you can do with video!


That was a neat trick! What software are you using?

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#2032713 - 02/13/13 08:45 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Mark...]
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The video editor I am using is called Final Cut Pro X (Mac). However, it does not have this garbage matte effect built-in. Sony Vegas might have it as some editors do. Instead, I downloaded a free plug-in for my editor with this effect here:

http://www.fcp.co/final-cut-pro/news/455-free-fcpx-8-point-garbage-matte
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#2032922 - 02/14/13 09:58 AM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Amaruk]
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Originally Posted By: Amaruk
The video editor I am using is called Final Cut Pro X (Mac). However, it does not have this garbage matte effect built-in. Sony Vegas might have it as some editors do. Instead, I downloaded a free plug-in for my editor with this effect here:

http://www.fcp.co/final-cut-pro/news/455-free-fcpx-8-point-garbage-matte


I'll have to search for that for Sony Vegas or Windows live...

I'm impressed that you are using some phone cameras. My Android Evo has decent video, I'm going to have to try it. Just need a mount.

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#2032936 - 02/14/13 10:25 AM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Mark...]
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I agree that a more properly edited video adds to the overall enjoyment of the experience, but it really is much more time consuming and is generally just a pain in the butt to produce! (for the most part)

Most of my videos I just use windows Live Movie Maker and sync up the audio and video (I record audio and video with individual devices). Add a title, a fade out at the end, and done.

That's all Windows Movie Maker is good for, really.


For a couple of special projects, I've used Sony Vegas. It's much more powerful, but the learning curve is fairly steep as well.

The one feature of Sony Vegas that I really like and adds a lot to a video production is the ability to zoom and pan on video, which gives the effect of the camera moving slowly. You select a beginning position and the ending position for the zoom and pan, and the software does the rest, moving the frame between those two positions over the time you select.

Here's an example of the zoom and pan feature:



I had 3 cameras set up, and my Zoom H1 recorded the audio. Very time consuming, but really makes a difference. Much better than my latest batch of stationary, out of focus videos. whome
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#2032944 - 02/14/13 10:42 AM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: BenPiano]
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Originally Posted By: BenPiano
I agree that a more properly edited video adds to the overall enjoyment of the experience, but it really is much more time consuming and is generally just a pain in the butt to produce! (for the most part)

Most of my videos I just use windows Live Movie Maker and sync up the audio and video (I record audio and video with individual devices). Add a title, a fade out at the end, and done.

That's all Windows Movie Maker is good for, really.


For a couple of special projects, I've used Sony Vegas. It's much more powerful, but the learning curve is fairly steep as well.

The one feature of Sony Vegas that I really like and adds a lot to a video production is the ability to zoom and pan on video, which gives the effect of the camera moving slowly. You select a beginning position and the ending position for the zoom and pan, and the software does the rest, moving the frame between those two positions over the time you select.

Here's an example of the zoom and pan feature:



I had 3 cameras set up, and my Zoom H1 recorded the audio. Very time consuming, but really makes a difference. Much better than my latest batch of stationary, out of focus videos. whome


That was great Ben! Both your playing and the video. Love the piano action shots too. I thought it was Einaudi until I read you composed it. I always enjoy your video work as well. I think the extra time for these creations is well worth the effort. The work can be saved forever and will be around when we are all gone...

I use Sony Vegas 10, but have not added or really knew about the panning and zoom. Excellent tip...must figure it out.

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#2032949 - 02/14/13 10:47 AM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Mark...]
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Originally Posted By: Mark...
I use Sony Vegas 10, but have not added or really knew about the panning and zoom. Excellent tip...must figure it out.


Thanks, Mark. I don't have vegas on this computer, but when I get the chance I'll put up some screenshots to better explain the feature.
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#2032960 - 02/14/13 10:58 AM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: BenPiano]
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Originally Posted By: BenPiano
Originally Posted By: Mark...
I use Sony Vegas 10, but have not added or really knew about the panning and zoom. Excellent tip...must figure it out.


Thanks, Mark. I don't have vegas on this computer, but when I get the chance I'll put up some screenshots to better explain the feature.


That would be great. I was just look at it and wasn't getting to far... lol

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#2033094 - 02/14/13 03:15 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Amaruk]
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Originally Posted By: Amaruk
The video editor I am using is called Final Cut Pro X (Mac). However, it does not have this garbage matte effect built-in. Sony Vegas might have it as some editors do. Instead, I downloaded a free plug-in for my editor with this effect here:

http://www.fcp.co/final-cut-pro/news/455-free-fcpx-8-point-garbage-matte


I use FCP too (version 6, bit old now) and I HAVE been doing garbage matte. From top of my head, the built-in uses squares but there are plugins for multipoint (polygon) garbage matte. And you can always make the overlay transparent by multiplying with an image mask if you need more advanced.

FCP is a pro tool, not something you learn in a few minutes like movie maker or iMovie. But you can do about everything imaginable with it (in combination with Motion). I have been scaling, warping parts of the video, tracking fragments, extreme slowdowns, rotations, time warps, compensated shakes of elements in the video, Green screening, generate overlays, sweeps, fades. You can make custom filters to do special effects on pixel base. Every effect can be time-dependent.

The compressor tool coming with FCP is quite flexible but imho too fragile. Sometimes it fails alltogether but usually it is just ok.


Edited by wouter79 (02/14/13 03:23 PM)
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#2033293 - 02/14/13 08:35 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: wouter79]
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Originally Posted By: wouter79

I use FCP too (version 6, bit old now) and I HAVE been doing garbage matte. From top of my head, the built-in uses squares but there are plugins for multipoint (polygon) garbage matte.


Correct, I forgot to mention that. The plug-in I am using is a 8-point polygon type.
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#2033296 - 02/14/13 08:41 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: BenPiano]
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Originally Posted By: BenPiano

Most of my videos I just use windows Live Movie Maker and sync up the audio and video (I record audio and video with individual devices). Add a title, a fade out at the end, and done.


Good points Ben and what a lovely piece you composed for your late co-worker!! To see the action like this in your video was great too!

On Mac computers there is also iMovie (similar to Movie maker on Windows) which also can be used for those who want to do basic editing. It is included in the OS so it is a good way to start out I think.
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#2033468 - 02/15/13 12:37 AM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: BenPiano]
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Originally Posted By: BenPiano
when I get the chance I'll put up some screenshots to better explain the feature.


So, you have your video inserted into the timeline. Right click, and a menu comes up. Click on "Video Event Pan/Crop"

You should get this sub-window:



Now, you have to set the points that the pan / crop will "bounce" between.


Below, the BIG arrow shows the diamonds, or the points that you fix. Here, there is automatically one set at the beginning.

If I want to add one at the point I scrolled to, the circled part, I click on the "+" (little arrow) to create a new diamond, or fixed point.




So now, you have to tell the software how you want the pan and zoom to begin and end.

Below, I click on the very first diamond to put the clock back at 0.00, and zoom in , rotate, do whatever, to tell this thing where I want the frame to begin.

The part inside the box with the "F" is the part the viewer will see, with the straight edge on the bottom of the box on the bottom of the screen.



(Pic below) Then, you gotta click on the second diamond (the one you added), to set the camera for the second point.

Zoom it in, zoom it out, rotate it a bit, do whatever (in the case below, extreme and too close). The software will create a path from the first "F" box to the second "F" box as the video plays during the times that you set up with those little diamonds.




You can create more than just 2 diamonds, and have the camera bounce or ping around all the points you set up. With images or different clips, you gotta set each one up.

I hope that helped a bit! smile
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#2033477 - 02/15/13 01:04 AM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Mark...]
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Another fun one I did more than 2 years ago with an older version of Sony Vegas. I made this video just for an experiment, and had a little fun with a piece I had recently finished, "The Sick Doll".

I wanted to figure out how to do split screen (or more). Both frames are independently panned / zoomed from still images. My old computer at the time struggled rendering this. I would imagine newer pc's and the newer software don't sweat this at all.

The video is a sort of educational and slightly misleading:

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#2033718 - 02/15/13 12:50 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Mark...]
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Worked all night, but I will be using your tutorials this weekend. Thanks Ben!


And the "Sick Doll" video was great...the music alone is a lesson in itself too...

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#2034873 - 02/17/13 05:32 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Mark...]
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Hey Ben!!!!!!!!!!!! I used your Vegas tutorial and did the following video. It just has some panning in the very beginning. If you notice it takes the video off to cause black bars on the side and bottom. I played with it for a long time but couldn't get it to zoom in and out. I was able add the diamonds, but how you get the video to do what you want between the diamonds is still a problem. Any suggestions?


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#2035057 - 02/18/13 12:16 AM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Mark...]
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Originally Posted By: Mark...
Any suggestions?


Just remember that the box with the "F" in it is the screen that the viewer will see. I'm not sure exactly what's going on, but I suspect that where you set the box with the "F" for the initial diamond was slightly off the edge of what your camera recorded.

If this what I think it is, make sure the box with the "F" is always entirely within the video you recorded or the picture you're using

To zoom in and out, you place your cursor on the box with the "F" to click and drag it in and out. To get the film to rotate, click and drag on that big circle on the outside to select you orientation.

There's got to be a video tutorial somewhere that would explain this much better than me here jabbering! grin

p.s. - nice piece! smile
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#2035058 - 02/18/13 12:18 AM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Mark...]
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Thanks Ben, I have to try it again. I'll check U tube for a tutorial too...

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#2035248 - 02/18/13 11:59 AM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Mark...]
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I found this decent tutorial:


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#2035272 - 02/18/13 12:39 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Mark...]
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Using Ben's advise and the previous video tutorial I was able to add the zoom feature to the previous video in the very beginning:


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#2035296 - 02/18/13 02:01 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Mark...]
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I'm very new to the Piano, but not to video and sound. Vegas or even 64 bit Movie Studio record decent sound if you have either a good sound card or an external mixer. Audacity is a free "sound" program, but there are others that I think are better if you want to play with your sound. Sound Forge (I tend to use Sony products but there are many others that are very good) is also a good was to manage a sound file. So it comes down to does your video editor do sound good enough for you or do you need to add a digital audio workstation/software?

I have a lot of Acid loops and have use Acid for a long time, there are newer programs that are 64 bit and allow for more special tools, but I got AcidPro with a very neat Garritan library which is useful as my P105 has very few voices. That being said to just start at a low price (check Amazon) Sony Movie studio does a very fine good of recording sound and working with Video for less than $100. You can also get a free version of Acid to work with the sound free. I'd start with the video editor and see if its sound functions work for you.

Be advised that HD (even 720) takes a pretty powerful computer - one running at least a 64 bit system with 8 megs of ram with a fast multicore CPU if you don't want to be frustrated. Rendering (making it useable on the web or DVD) at HD (I'd recommend 720 for Youtube or Vimeo) can take a very long time on a underpowerd computer if it renders at all.




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#2035385 - 02/18/13 05:15 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Mark...]
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D7K, welcome to the thread...after I bought my Sony Vegas HD 10. last year I found my old computer would take forever to render a file. I upgraded to an i7 and now it flies.

Beside the Sony I also use Audacity to process the audio. I do have the free Acid program that came with Vegas, but haven't used it.

Right now I'm looking for cheap HD video cameras to ad other angles and eventually more microphone options as well.

In the mean time just trying to add more skills to the Vegas software.

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#2035474 - 02/18/13 08:17 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: D7K]
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Originally Posted By: D7K

Be advised that HD (even 720) takes a pretty powerful computer - one running at least a 64 bit system with 8 GB of ram with a fast multicore CPU if you don't want to be frustrated.


So true (changed mb typo to gb)!!! For those of you who are on the fence looking to start out, make sure you try the video editor on your computer before you buy it. Not all systems (Windows especially) are created equally and an editor that freezes your computer is not very fun to work with.
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#2035477 - 02/18/13 08:21 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Mark...]
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Mark, great use of the zoom! It makes a huge difference I think. The trick is to use it in a natural way and you nailed it here!
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#2035480 - 02/18/13 08:37 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Mark...]
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Speaking about zooms... I think it would fun to use some sort of a "flycam" in a piano video sometime. Here is one type (which is often used by the famous PianoGuys) called the GlideCam:



But, which is obvious, this requires a person who holds the camera.

Here is one good example of a glidecam in use (PianoGuys & Jarrod Radnich):

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#2035482 - 02/18/13 08:39 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Amaruk]
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Mark, great use of the zoom! It makes a huge difference I think. The trick is to use it in a natural way and you nailed it here!


Thanks Amaruk, got lucky on the zoom...

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#2035491 - 02/18/13 09:02 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Amaruk]
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Originally Posted By: Amaruk
Speaking about zooms... I think it would fun to use some sort of a "flycam" in a piano video sometime. Here is one type (which is often used by the famous PianoGuys) called the GlideCam:



But, which is obvious, this requires a person who holds the camera.

Here is one good example of a glidecam in use (PianoGuys & Jarrod Radnich):





Nice, but there goes the budget... smile

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#2035493 - 02/18/13 09:11 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Mark...]
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Nice, but there goes the budget... smile


I know... The entry level model, XR 1000, is $259...

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#2035499 - 02/18/13 09:19 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Amaruk]
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Originally Posted By: Mark...


Nice, but there goes the budget... smile


I know... The entry level model, XR 1000, is $259...

B&H Photo


Actually not a terrible price...

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#2036947 - 02/21/13 12:47 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Mark...]
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Here is another taking on recording the piano and equipment they use:


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#2037890 - 02/23/13 10:26 AM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Mark...]
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One of the posters in the "pianists" area posted this video and sound track. It's an interesting melding of video and music. It has two music scores, I was wondering what the name of the second one. (Around the 3 minute mark). It has a familiar new age sound to it. Sounds like a fun piece to learn too.


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#2048486 - 03/15/13 01:02 AM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Mark...]
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Hi everyone,

I've posted a video in another thread and I've been redirected here to share the technical details about the video. If i knew this thread existed i'ld have post it on here in the first place! Sorry if my english isnt all that great i speak french as my main language...


As my contribution to this thread i'll share with you my experience micing an upright piano. What gears i use... what mic placements i used, etc... Its been hard to get info on that by myself as there is very few resources online for micing pianos, especially upright. On top of it being a complex instrument to actually record, I had to take info here and there and do some trial and error to finally gain good results. So i thought i'ld share what i've learned with you all. I'm not a sound engineer but if you listen to the videos i'll link with good headphones or speakers you'll see the improvement from a video to another.


Micing with standalone microphones :

First off, the gears i use (those are all kinda affordable stuff... not high end equipment):

- 2 AKG perception 220 microphones (large diaphragm cardioid). Those are the first mics I bought... they do ok but not so great. A bit muddy.

- A matched pair of studio projects c4 (small diaphragm and comes with cardioid, omnidirectional and hyper-cardioid interchangeable capsules). Those are sexy. Delivers an awesome sound for piano and good stereo separation. At 400$ for the pair (6 capsules included), you can't go wrong!

- An Akai EiE pro USB audio interface. I'm pretty sure you know that but you need mic preamps with phantom power those kind of microphones up there and the EiE pro is the only one i found with 4 decent preamps (instead of 2, like the scarlett 2i2 wich has very good reviews) at a reasonable price.

- Your favorite audio editing software! I used garage band but then i got Logic pro (wich i dont know why i did because i dont even modify the sound on my videos... oh well lol.)

Before I go into mic placement, I'll take time to explain a bit how to work your mic signal into your editing program. It may sound basic but i don't know how much you guys know about this stuff so feel free to skip this part. What i like to do is to record each mic on a seperate mono track. That way i can decide how hard i want to pan (left/right) and adjust each mic level separately, wich is a good thing once you get into fancy mic placements! Nothing more frustrating than getting a good performance and notice afterward one of the mic should have been quieter. With mono tracks, you can fix that in a single click! Once I have your my microphones set... i usually pan each mono channel hard left and hard right (meaning to the maximum right and max left). I read somewhere that a general rule of thumb is you are supposed to pan the mic on the bass strings hard right and the one on the higher strings hard left. Its the way pros do it as it reproduces piano music from a listener's point of view. With that out of the way lets move on to:

Mic placement (to listen with headphones if you want to see the difference between the placements lol):

The micing technique i use is called spaced pair technique. Its one of many micing technique used (The Zoom device uses a technique called XY technique btw) in studios and i found its the one that suits my needs best, the piano being a large instrument.

First off, i usually remove the front and bottom pannel from my upright for better sound projection. That would be the equivalent of opening the lid on a grand. Moving the piano away from the wall really helps too. Please also note that small adjustments to mic position can really change the sound you get from mic placement... Every time you want to record something you have to take time to test different angles and make slight adjustments before you get the sound you want for the piece your recording. See those descriptions below more as guidelines or ideas to start with and build from there.

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In this first video, being the first one i did with my accoustic piano, i used my pair of large diaphragm condenser mics (the perception 220). I placed the mics just below the keyboard in front of the piano (between the pedal and the keyboard). That way it captures the soundboard from up front. They're set about 4 feet apart from each other and about 1 feet away from what is supposed to be the pannel covering the strings (i.e about 1.5 feet away from the actual strings). Here's the result (watching in HD gives better sound btw):

All the recordings i'll link has no effects added at all (no equalization / reverb etc...) except the link #3 wich has a little bit of reverb... very slightly tho

Youtube link 1

As you can see... the sound is a bit muddy. Its still good but it lacks clarity (mostly in the treble). This is due to the mics being a bit "bass heavy" in the first place... and that kind of placement also provides more bass than others since the bass strings are directly exposed in front of the mics. Another drawback of this placement is your pedal must be very quiet (unlike mine)or you'll hear the clicks in your recordings. Micing the soundboard from behind would give you similar results. At least it did for me. Still not bad result... lets move on.

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In this second and third video I used the Studio projects c4. You'll see the sound is way more clear. One downside of those mics is i find they lack a bit of bass (grrrr!) and they have alot of self-noise (that kind of hiss you hear when the piano isnt playing). I've put the omni capsules on (ones that captures the sound coming from all directions evenly) and put the 2 mics again about 4 feet apart from each other and about 2 feet above the piano (with the top lid opened). Now listen :

Youtube link 2

Youtube link 3 (has a bit of reverb)

As you can see the sound is way more clear. With the omni capsules on i get the sound from the actual room i'm in. It gives the recording that kind of live sound we're used to when listening to professional recordings. This technique would be to avoid if your piano is in a small room. Here its in my living room so it got plenty of space to breathe. A funny thing is usually when I make adjustments to my placements before recording, my dog is lose in the house and i can hear his claws hitting the floor as he walks around. Every time i listen to the recorded audio it tricks me into thinking my dog is still walking around and as i try looking for him i notice he's chewing his bone on the couch... Yea.. the stereo image is that powerful. You don't notice it that much with the piano as all sounds blend together but having a good stereo image makes whole lot of difference.

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Finally, being kinda not 100% satisfied with the sound i was getting i tried another technique using the 4 mics this time. This one yield me better results to my hears. For this one i placed the piano in the very center of my room. The 2 studio projects c4 are place behind the piano... right next to each other at about 1/2 feet away from the soundboard about 1 and a half octave below the middle C (kinda hard to explain). The 2 other mics (p220's) are set about 10 feet apart from each other and 6-7 feet away from the piano. Here's the result :

Youtube link 4

To me this is the best result i got. The sound is clear, with just enough bass (kinda hard to hear the bass since most of the piece plays in the middle of the keyboard). Still a live sound but a bit more intimate. Its very close to what my piano actually sounds like in my living room. The piece is a simple one but i did test out with some other pieces i know that covers more range on the keyboard and it just sounds gorgeous to my hears. I plan to use this technique for my future videos.

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Hopefully you find the information on here useful and it gives you guidelines for using standalone mics to record your piano. Don't hesitate to ask if you have some questions!!!




On a final note i'ld like to direct you guys to a youtube tutorial i found useful for making interesting dolly shots on a budget (like the one at 0:59 and 1:51 seconds in the "youtube link 4"). Its a DIY version of a product called spider trax dolly. I made one for myself in like 2 hours spending about 75$. You can go really creative with that assuming you have someone to operate the dolly while you are playing. Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHV0rqIVEfg




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#2048666 - 03/15/13 10:44 AM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: slpianoproject]
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Originally Posted By: slpianoproject
Hi everyone,

I've posted a video in another thread and I've been redirected here to share the technical details about the video. If i knew this thread existed i'ld have post it on here in the first place! Sorry if my english isnt all that great i speak french as my main language...

Very thorough and detailed explanation. Your English is a lot better than many native speakers that I know, so you shouldn't feel self-conscious about it. Everything you wrote was quite clear what you were saying.

I don't have the means or time to do a setup like this, but if I ever do, I'll definitely come back to this post and try these techniques (I have a spinet).

Great job on this explanation, and video #4 is very interesting and sounds amazing.
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#2048680 - 03/15/13 11:25 AM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Mark...]
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Originally Posted By: slpianoproject

As my contribution to this thread i'll share with you my experience micing an upright piano. What gears i use... what mic placements i used, etc... Its been hard to get info on that by myself as there is very few resources online for micing pianos, especially upright.


Thanks, slpianoproject.
Really great information you've provided here of your experience of experimentation. It is very helpful.

The best resource I've found online is below. What is suggested here, looks to be quite similar to your middle attempt of videos 2 & 3 you provided.

It is this system that I have tried to replicate for my recordings, and continue to experiment with mic placement and sound editing. I use Audacity vs. Garageband and have different mics, but also large and small diaphragm condenser mics, as suggested in this video.)

My weakest link at this point I believe, is my pre-amp (m-audio vs a more quality pre-amp.) This is where my hiss is coming from, as I think my mics are reasonable and one is actually quite good (ADK A51 Type III large condenser.) Beyond the pre-amp though -- and perhaps better software at some point (I am very novice though) -- your multiple 4 mic system is very interesting and may be my next attempt at improvement.



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#2048701 - 03/15/13 12:35 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Mark...]
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slpianoproject and Greener , thanks for sharing the info!

Just woke up and will really be checking your stuff out.

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#2048715 - 03/15/13 01:44 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Mark...]
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>Speaking about zooms... I think it would fun to use some sort of a "flycam" in a piano video sometime. Here is one type (which is often used by the famous PianoGuys) called the GlideCam:

I'm using the steadiCam, but only a few times for piano. You need someone that is pretty good at this and even then it will usually take multiple shots to get something good. And then of course you have to match the video against the audio if you needed multiple shots. Very hard to do this all perfect. If you use this, it's easiest to avoid long clear views on the hands to make that matching step easier.

Regarding that glidecam, you can do something similar with a tripod - pick it up the tripod with a pinch grip just below the camera

That said, a good steadicam system requires careful balancing of a lot of forces, particularly if you are going to rotate and/or accelerate. The mounting plate and gimbal has to be 100% slop free and adjustable. This comes down to sub-millimeter accuracy to get it really right. So I would not expect too much from the cheap versions.
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#2049191 - 03/16/13 03:33 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Mark...]
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slpianoproject took me a while to go through your post. To sum up your results it seems the 4 mics gave you the best sound. I assume everything goes through Akai EiE pro USB audio interface. Does this give you one overall sound track combined or 4 separate sound tracks to add to your video?

And speaking of the video, you mentioned the lens, but somewhere I missed the actual camera.

I know you edit the music in garage band, but what are you using for video?

Thanks again...love what you are doing and I hope you can share more of your great playing and recording tricks.

Mark

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#2049195 - 03/16/13 03:42 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Mark...]
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After seeing and hearing slpianoproject results I am intrigued about changing my recording setup. Currently Zoom H2 and Flip HD camera.

Mics he mentioned were:

AKG perception 220 microphones and studio projects c4

ADK A51 Type III large condenser used by Greener.

With this said, I'd love to hear what mics everyone is using, especially for miking up acoustic pianos.

If I go this route, I guess I will need mic booms, cables, audio interface and hopefully my old laptop can handle the rest. Would most likely use Audacity.

Thoughts?

After we dissect mics, I'd like to talk audio interface followed by camera equipment.




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#2049214 - 03/16/13 04:24 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: wouter79]
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I'm using the steadiCam, but only a few times for piano.


That is great! Do you have a piano video you can share with us in which you used your steadiCam system?

I recently did an experiment with green screen just for fun. I used one of the kids lime green bed sheets as my green screen. Here is the result:

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#2049231 - 03/16/13 05:00 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Mark...]
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Amaruk, sweet video and playing. So how did you do the green screen? And did you do the castle panning or was it already there?

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#2049239 - 03/16/13 05:19 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Mark...]
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Found this gem for miking up a grand:



Another miking video:


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#2049245 - 03/16/13 05:26 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Mark...]
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Amaruk, sweet video and playing. So how did you do the green screen? And did you do the castle panning or was it already there?


Green screen, or chroma keying as it is also called, is very simple actually. Just shoot the video with a green background. The green can then be turned to invisible in the video editor if the editor has this effect. The tricky part is to fine tune the chroma filter. Wrinkles or uneven light will complicate things. I think I will get a collapsible green screen for my next green screen project.

Yes, the panning of the castle was there already. smile
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#2049272 - 03/16/13 06:40 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Amaruk]
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Originally Posted By: Mark...
Amaruk, sweet video and playing. So how did you do the green screen? And did you do the castle panning or was it already there?


Green screen, or chroma keying as it is also called, is very simple actually. Just shoot the video with a green background. The green can then be turned to invisible in the video editor if the editor has this effect. The tricky part is to fine tune the chroma filter. Wrinkles or uneven light will complicate things. I think I will get a collapsible green screen for my next green screen project.

Yes, the panning of the castle was there already. smile


You use Mac right? I'll have to see in Sony Vegas has it.

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#2049298 - 03/16/13 07:35 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Mark...]
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You use Mac right? I'll have to see in Sony Vegas has it.


Yes, I use Final Cut Pro X on a Mac. But Sony Vegas has chroma key effects too.
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#2049345 - 03/16/13 08:54 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Amaruk]
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Originally Posted By: Mark...


You use Mac right? I'll have to see in Sony Vegas has it.


Yes, I use Final Cut Pro X on a Mac. But Sony Vegas has chroma key effects too.


I'll have to check it out. I'm sure it has a steep learning curve. And wait till my wife hears I'm painting the living room green... smile

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#2049741 - 03/17/13 03:30 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Mark...]
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Originally Posted By: Mark...
slpianoproject took me a while to go through your post. To sum up your results it seems the 4 mics gave you the best sound. I assume everything goes through Akai EiE pro USB audio interface. Does this give you one overall sound track combined or 4 separate sound tracks to add to your video?

And speaking of the video, you mentioned the lens, but somewhere I missed the actual camera.

I know you edit the music in garage band, but what are you using for video?

Thanks again...love what you are doing and I hope you can share more of your great playing and recording tricks.

Mark


To answer your questions, yes the 4 mics go through the Akai interface and gives me 4 seperate mono tracks.... I would have the option to have 2 seperate stereo tracks (1 for each pair of mics) but i prefer to work from mono.

The camera is a Sony a57 dslr... any camera with interchangeable lens would do. You just want large aperture opening for the shallow depth of field. Btw, for a film look, you want to film at 24fps with 1/50 shutter speed. It makes a whole lot of difference.

And finally, i edit in the sound Logic pro, but any editing program would do as i dont really manipulate the sound coming from the mics. For video, i use Adobe premiere elements (i bought it in a bundle with photoshop elements for photo for 150$). I think i'ld have get the same results using Imovie tho since i didnt really do any fancy stuff in the video editing as well.

Glad you appreciate the info!


Edited by slpianoproject (03/17/13 03:33 PM)

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#2049942 - 03/17/13 09:29 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: slpianoproject]
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Originally Posted By: slpianoproject
Originally Posted By: Mark...
slpianoproject took me a while to go through your post. To sum up your results it seems the 4 mics gave you the best sound. I assume everything goes through Akai EiE pro USB audio interface. Does this give you one overall sound track combined or 4 separate sound tracks to add to your video?

And speaking of the video, you mentioned the lens, but somewhere I missed the actual camera.

I know you edit the music in garage band, but what are you using for video?

Thanks again...love what you are doing and I hope you can share more of your great playing and recording tricks.

Mark


To answer your questions, yes the 4 mics go through the Akai interface and gives me 4 seperate mono tracks.... I would have the option to have 2 seperate stereo tracks (1 for each pair of mics) but i prefer to work from mono.

The camera is a Sony a57 dslr... any camera with interchangeable lens would do. You just want large aperture opening for the shallow depth of field. Btw, for a film look, you want to film at 24fps with 1/50 shutter speed. It makes a whole lot of difference.

And finally, i edit in the sound Logic pro, but any editing program would do as i dont really manipulate the sound coming from the mics. For video, i use Adobe premiere elements (i bought it in a bundle with photoshop elements for photo for 150$). I think i'ld have get the same results using Imovie tho since i didnt really do any fancy stuff in the video editing as well.

Glad you appreciate the info!


Thanks for the update. Looking forward to your next production.

I'm now shopping for new toys... smile

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#2050287 - 03/18/13 02:52 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Mark...]
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Any suggestions regarding audio interface equipment? I'm currently looking at the Zoom 24.

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#2053508 - 03/24/13 02:06 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Mark...]
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Originally Posted By: Mark...
Any suggestions regarding audio interface equipment? I'm currently looking at the Zoom 24.


Anyone know the difference between the Zoom 24, 16, and 8?

Is it just the amount of channels?

I would think I will use between 2 and 4 mics max.

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#2068142 - 04/21/13 04:50 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Mark...]
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Anyone looking for mic booms with cables, here is a nice deal for three at Amazon:

Amazon mic booms with cables

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#2187081 - 11/22/13 09:42 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Amaruk]
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Originally Posted By: Amaruk
Speaking about zooms... I think it would fun to use some sort of a "flycam" in a piano video sometime. Here is one type (which is often used by the famous PianoGuys) called the GlideCam:



But, which is obvious, this requires a person who holds the camera.



Since I made the above post some 10 months ago, the Glidecam line of gyro stabilizers has been extended to include a smaller and less expensive sibling - the iGlide! I just pulled the trigger on an iGlide ($129) and I am looking forward to see how it is to use it for making piano videos!! Here is a promo for the iGlide:

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#2187101 - 11/22/13 10:37 PM Re: The Audio, Video Music Production Thread [Re: Mark...]
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Might we see it for ABF Recital XXXIII?
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