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#2032284 - 02/13/13 05:55 AM Old DP`s
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Who wants `em apart from oddballs like me? But to pay £450 for a 17yo Clavinova CLP 611? Would you, even if it looked like this?

http://kogarashi-chikuonki.seesaa.net/upload/detail/image/clp_860m_002_blog-thumbnail2.jpg.html
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#2032352 - 02/13/13 09:04 AM Re: Old DP`s [Re: peterws]
abitconfused Offline
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I just bought a Roland piano of a similar vintage...

It had a broken key so was a bit cheaper than normal price. Ha ha, I said to myself, broken hammer: I can replace that easily enough! And I could, except when I opened up the piano to repair it I found that all the other hammers were also cracking and will break soon. Replacing one hammer is cheap, but replacing all of them is uneconomic

The exterior of the piano is in beautiful condition - like new - with all the original accessories, manuals etc and there was no abuse, just regular playing which after this length of time leads to the components breaking through age. I should have worked this out before I bought it, but now I am stuck with a piano which will continue needing to have its hammers replaced. I cannot in good faith resell the piano with this problem (and who on earth would buy it except for parts with this issue?). How long do I keep replacing the hammers for and throwing good money after bad? Not a particularly good situation!

So the moral of this story is that it's probably best to buy new and not mess around with old digital pianos. At least that is what I will be doing next time

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#2032403 - 02/13/13 10:46 AM Re: Old DP`s [Re: peterws]
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Maybe for beginners old DPs can work. I couldn't imagine using some of my old models ever again. Yamaha p80, p90, Korg SG1d, etc. The technology does advance, even if it's not as fast as we'd like.
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#2032425 - 02/13/13 11:28 AM Re: Old DP`s [Re: abitconfused]
peterws Offline
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Abitconfused - What model was your Roland? I`m looking into one at the moment . . .
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#2032442 - 02/13/13 12:06 PM Re: Old DP`s [Re: peterws]
abitconfused Offline
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Peterws - It seems that all the Roland keyboards from that period can suffer the same problem after a lot of usage. Many of the 'fully-weighted hammer-action' keyboards made from mid '90s until early years in 21st century seem to use the same keybed

Parts are still available which is a credit to Roland (and the service people I have had contact with are nice and helpful), but it costs a lot to replace a lot of hammers and the wear which causes them to break is the normal result of long-term usage

I guess it depends how much the piano you are interested in has been played rather than the exact model regarding if it has this problem or not. You have no way of seeing it without opening the piano and inspecting the hammers themselves as my one is immaculate on the outside

Maybe older models by other manufacturers could have similar problems, but in those cases perhaps replacement parts are less available?


Edited by abitconfused (02/13/13 12:11 PM)

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#2032443 - 02/13/13 12:08 PM Re: Old DP`s [Re: abitconfused]
adak Offline
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Registered: 12/27/12
Posts: 282
Loc: Canada
Originally Posted By: abitconfused
I just bought a Roland piano of a similar vintage...

It had a broken key so was a bit cheaper than normal price. Ha ha, I said to myself, broken hammer: I can replace that easily enough! And I could, except when I opened up the piano to repair it I found that all the other hammers were also cracking and will break soon. Replacing one hammer is cheap, but replacing all of them is uneconomic

The exterior of the piano is in beautiful condition - like new - with all the original accessories, manuals etc and there was no abuse, just regular playing which after this length of time leads to the components breaking through age. I should have worked this out before I bought it, but now I am stuck with a piano which will continue needing to have its hammers replaced. I cannot in good faith resell the piano with this problem (and who on earth would buy it except for parts with this issue?). How long do I keep replacing the hammers for and throwing good money after bad? Not a particularly good situation!

So the moral of this story is that it's probably best to buy new and not mess around with old digital pianos. At least that is what I will be doing next time


if you are handy you could try calling roland and see if they will sell you a replacement keybed and you can replace it entirely. you will end up with a perfectly functioning piano.
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#2032448 - 02/13/13 12:17 PM Re: Old DP`s [Re: adak]
abitconfused Offline
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Registered: 12/03/12
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adak - thanks for your reply!

Yes, I already have spoken to them. The hammers are not expensive on their own, but buying a complete set (remember there are 88 of them) costs more than many cheaper pianos... and then you end-up with a 17 year-old piano which is waiting for something else to break :-/

I would certainly consider buying a new Roland however, as the build quality of my piano is excellent and the problems are to be expected considering the age (I was silly to buy it)

My only point is to show to Peterws that old DP's in general may not be such a good investement

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#2032524 - 02/13/13 03:11 PM Re: Old DP`s [Re: abitconfused]
peterws Offline
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Registered: 07/21/12
Posts: 3451
Loc: Northern England.
You`ve done that, I think for which many thanks are due . . Yamaha keyboards seem bulletproof. But the CVPs are ugly beasts and I won`t touch `em. . . there aren`t too many alternatives if you want other instruments and on board recording facilities.
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#2032806 - 02/14/13 12:21 AM Re: Old DP`s [Re: adak]
galaxy4t Offline
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Registered: 08/28/08
Posts: 851
Loc: Lakewood, CA
Financially, I doubt it will be worth it to replace the keybed. The cost is likely to be more than the piano itself is worth. It is the most expensive part of a digital, not to mention the aging sound technology of the piano itself. I would move on and get something new.

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