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#2032374 - 02/13/13 09:47 AM Re: Feurich or possibly Hailun? [Re: Chris H.]
Steven Y. A. Offline
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nvm did some research clarified some confusion..


http://www.feurich.com/en/innovative_production
Made in China by Hailun.



http://www.juliusfeurich.cn/Products.html
There were the same company, in 2002 Ye bought 52% of stakes to save them from bankrupt. Then moved the production in China.
in 2008 Julius Feurich passed away, JF starts to lose money again, been said Ye spent 20 million Yuan from 2004-2010 to fill the gap. Then Ye decide to quit, but Julius Feurich does not have enough money to pay back Ye's 52% stakes. In the end Julius Feurich decides to give the name "Julius Feurich" to Ye and changed their name to "Feurich".

Now JF is completly made in China, but still shares some roots with Fuerich since the production was already moved to China. and Hailun makes the new german Feurich pianosl.


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#2032431 - 02/13/13 11:33 AM Re: Feurich or possibly Hailun? [Re: Chris H.]
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Ummm, close but not quite correct.

The Julius Feurich brand, formed from an earlier partnership between Julius and the Chinese maker Artfield is for Chinese domestic sales only. This brand is unrelated to the current Feurich, headquartered in Vienna, and Hailun. In fact, if you see the Julius Feurich brand for sale outside of China, please let me know.

The Feurich models shown on www.feurichusa.com and www.feurich.com are made for us under contract by Hailun. We started with some standard Hailun models and added our own tweaks and customizations (originally developed as the Wendl & Lung brand). We are expanding out from that. For example the model 115 vertical, designed by Rolf Ibach, is our own exclusive design, as is the upcoming 179. Still made for us by Hailun, but our exclusive model.

As of right now, today, there is not a Feurich built in Germany. There was one as of earlier in 2012, but Julius withdrawing from the agreement ended that production. We (the NEW Feurich, an Austrian company headquartered in Vienna) is developing new German production of models built on original Feurich designs. This German production has always been important to the concept and we're not going to let Julius going his own way change that.

I know, it's a mess! The original concept was much much cleaner. However, we (including me)are proceeding because we, collectively, think we are bringing something important to the piano industry. Some innovative thinking is already available, including the 4th Harmonic pedal, a Feurich exclusive. There is more coming.

I've gotten to know Ernest and his crew in Vienna and really believe in his vision and capabilities. This, at heart, is still a European company. I know that is easy for skeptics to dismiss, but I don't care. My interest has always been in the European approach and sensibilities and that hasn't changed. I have never had any interest in simply marketing some Chinese stencil brand and that has not changed. Yes, it would have been much more effective if Julius had chosen to stay involved, but that didn't happen and, frankly, I'm not loosing too much sleep about it.
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#2032436 - 02/13/13 11:43 AM Re: Feurich or possibly Hailun? [Re: Chris H.]
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Just a thought, there are very few makers today managed by people whose name is on the fallboard. I can only think of Charles Walter, Sauter, Steingraeber and Hailun and one should include Overs and Stuart. Maybe there are others but I can't think of any. Michael Spreeman put somebody else's name (Ravenscroft) on his piano! Yes, Henry Steinway died just recently but I don't think anybody could claim that he played a managing role.

It is also wrong to dismiss all others as "stencil" brands. They are Brand Names. Nobody would call Boston a stencil I think. Even with Samicks broad range of products, they all have individual designs and characteristics and marketing approaches that make me very hesitant to just dismiss them as stencil. True, some are age old names that have no design connection with the original designs, but I think that is a good thing. Piano technology has progressed a lot!

Stencil brands were more common when dealers wanted their own exclusive brand but that practice is not very common anymore.
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#2032593 - 02/13/13 05:12 PM Re: Feurich or possibly Hailun? [Re: Chris H.]
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I think the list of makers is a bit longer than that. Förster, Blüthner, Schimmel, Grotrian, Pfeiffer, Shigeru, Fazioli come to mind right away. There are probably other piano companies which, although the name of the CEO is not the name on the fallboard, exhibit much more continuity of production designs, ideals, philosophy etc than all those German and American branded pianos now made in Asia.

The name Feurich still stands for a high-end and very musical piano. I wish them all success, no matter if they are built in China, Vienna, or in Mr. Feurich's own workshop!
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#2032603 - 02/13/13 05:42 PM Re: Feurich or possibly Hailun? [Re: BoseEric]
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Originally Posted By: BoseEric
Both Ernest and I agree. It was certainly not the original intention. But, because of the rather baffling (to me) actions of one individual, it is now the situation.


Baffling? It's pssible that the fiery passion was doused by the industry landscape, nagging debt carried forward, a cultural clash, and the difficulty of adjusting to becoming the rear wheels on a front-wheel-drive car. Whatever, your optimism is commendable.

I don't know if you're aware of it Eric, but JF was a member here for one brief day in 2009. There had been some forum chatter about the stalls and starts during Feurich's previous couple of decades and possible affiliations with China (Ningbo specifically, not Artfield). There was a member here who was heavily invested in a 'new' Feurich he had bought through the Melbourne,Fla. outfit that I believe you've had dealings with. The member was troubled by that chatter and driven to affirm the purity of his instrument, which I recall he later sold.. A connection was made, and JF came on board for a day.

Upon his arrival JF was greeted by assorted forum bon vivants and malcontents. [No! Not me! I was so stunned by the occasion that I bundled my fingers in duct tape grin] It got pretty funny at one point when JF asked if he needed to address the question of "a nameless" (a member who went by an avatar).

Anyway, here's some of what he had to say at the time. It may be interesting to look at it against the backdrop of known reality.

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I wanted to come back to several subjects I have read the last days, in this forum.

The first comment I would like to make is, that the present number of pianos in production does not mean anything about the SIZE of a company. It Has been said that Feurich is making 20 high end pianos only. This is correct in terms of grand pianos. Together with vertical pianos we are making about 50 pianos on total.

It also has been discussed several times if or if not Feurich has been made in Germany. I can assure you personally that every single FEURICH piano is hand made in Gunzenhausen, Germany. I am happy to wellcome anybody who wants to convince himself with a visit in Gunzenhausen. I am most upset if bad rumors are brought in this small branch, because we ALL does not need this kind of fence-war. Very disappointing that many of these rumors are installed by other manufactures and competitors. This does not tells about style and good education



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#2032656 - 02/13/13 07:25 PM Re: Feurich or possibly Hailun? [Re: Chris H.]
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Hailun Piano is an 'in demand' component supplier for numerous piano brands.


Thinking if the 'full list' of those brands which are being suplied by Hailun [and have for a while now..] comes to light, a few more feather will be ruffled.

And minds boggled...

Including all those who have paid a premium price for a "European piano" basically 100% made by Hailun in China.

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#2032728 - 02/13/13 09:17 PM Re: Feurich or possibly Hailun? [Re: Chris H.]
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As much as it pains me, I am quite confident that the instruments claimed to come out of Gunzenhausen over the past 5 years did, indeed come out of Gunzenhausen completely. I've seen the process and results with my own eyes and ears.

Julius has explored different partnerships but I do not believe that what was represented as German made was in fact something else.

Other brands, who knows?
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#2032756 - 02/13/13 10:40 PM Re: Feurich or possibly Hailun? [Re: Chris H.]
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Well I can tell you as the new owner of a refurbished at the factory in Gunzenhausen Feurich 197 (6' 6") built in 1989 (and serviced at the factory, one owner)...this is a wonderful piano. The sustain is incredible, the bass powerful, the treble a dream. I seemed to be always searching, though my 6' 3" Schimmel was a good piano. I am no longer searching!
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#2033309 - 02/14/13 08:55 PM Re: Feurich or possibly Hailun? [Re: Chris H.]
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crap Jurgen...you have clearly informed my on how truly shitty my memory is. How could I forget my friends in Lobau and Dr Christian of course, well, maybe a future friend in Sacile. Schimmel, OK. Grotrian? Please explain that connection. Kawai...really? wow! Didn't know ... really?

My most humble apologies to these great family piano makers, most of whom I've met in person. I have no excuse, except age and the fact that I grew up in the 70's.
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#2033314 - 02/14/13 09:03 PM Re: Feurich or possibly Hailun? [Re: Chris H.]
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