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#2033518 - 02/15/13 03:56 AM less than 30 lb, with internal speakers
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So after building a sizable spreadsheet, and crossing things out per my relative's preferences ... I'm left with few things [for him to upgrade his P-70]:

Yamaha P-105: the easy choice since it's relatively affordable, and they are familiar with a much older P model at the moment. They would gain line out, an updated piano sound, 4x more polyphony, 4 new sounds, and save 3 pounds. [But loses classic MIDI out.]

Casio PX-150: sad internal speakers are sad. [No line out.]

Casio PX-350: Not sure this would go over well for $150 more (street) than the Yamaha, as they seem pretty pleased with the Yamaha piano sample already. They are mainly about the piano sound, and that's all. The other various features of the Casio would be superfluous to them.

Roland FP-4F: The 36.6 lb weight is a tad over, and the cost is much greater, but could it be worth it? If his ancient P slab is okay, then there's probably no need to go SuperNatural + Feel-G w/escapement.

Korg SP170s: doesn't look interesting, unless I've overlooked something. [No line out.]

I'm thinking the P-105 is the no-brainer decision here for them. He really just wants to update the polyphony from 32 (it drops notes he says), and gain some line outs (he says using the headphone jack is a pita.) Updated piano sound is just gravy. Still, best to drag him down to GC for a P105 vs PX350 sound check -- he might like the new keys / 3 sensor.

(There is so little under 30 lbs, with speakers.)

Sanity check on my conclusion though? Did I miss contenders?

Edited by xorbe (02/15/13 09:39 AM)

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#2033587 - 02/15/13 08:26 AM Re: less than 30 lb, with internal speakers [Re: xorbe]
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Just a few thoughts to make your comparison more complete...

If line out connectors are essential, then that also removes the PX-150 and SP-170 from your list.

The P105 does not have standard MIDI connections, so you can't directly plug it into most external MIDI gear, if that may be an issue. (Connecting to a computer is fine, though.) So that's one more feature the PX-350 has over it.

I have a hard time seeing much appeal in the FP-4F. It is so close in price to the 7F with its far superior action, the only real advantage of the 4F is the lower weight... and as you point out, it's still not terribly light. I don't think it's action is better than any of the other models you listed, either (and possibly not as good). So IMO, you'd have to really love the sound to want to bother considering that.

#2033607 - 02/15/13 09:05 AM Re: less than 30 lb, with internal speakers [Re: xorbe]
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What's model is your relative's current piano and does he like it?

I was going to say P155 but it's over 40 pounds so I guess that's out based on your criteria. Yeah, the P105 is looking pretty good. Just make sure your relative is ok with the GHS action on it. Some people like it, others find it completely unacceptable. I was always in the latter group but I played the P105 recently and it didn't feel all that bad. Probably some of my earlier perception had as much to do with the old tone engines as it did the action.

Edited by gvfarns (02/15/13 09:06 AM)

#2033615 - 02/15/13 09:37 AM Re: less than 30 lb, with internal speakers [Re: xorbe]
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Thanks, anotherscott and gvfarns. He has a P-70 slab (2006/2007), so he's okay with GHS so far. Right, I better check that he didn't acquire classic MIDI cabled gear [and he didn't]. Somehow I skipped over the PX-150 and SP170s not having line outs. Quite the short list, which makes things easy for me, heh.

Edited by xorbe (02/15/13 11:39 AM)

#2033669 - 02/15/13 11:19 AM Re: less than 30 lb, with internal speakers [Re: xorbe]
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The speakers on the PX-350 are, for whatever reason, substantially nicer than in the PX-150. I think the P105's speakers may be better still, but in the action, there is very little comparison...the 350 kills it. His familiarity with the similar sample sound in the P105 may give that the edge.

The FP-4F's speakers are largely underrated here. They have great punch, making Roland's warm sample sound a little brighter.

Edited by PianoWorksATL (02/15/13 11:29 AM)
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#2033691 - 02/15/13 12:12 PM Re: less than 30 lb, with internal speakers [Re: PianoWorksATL]
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Originally Posted By: PianoWorksATL
The speakers on the PX-350 are, for whatever reason, substantially nicer than in the PX-150.

The PX-150 uses a single full-range speaker on each side; the PX-350 is a two-way system (woofer and tweeter).

#2033710 - 02/15/13 12:42 PM Re: less than 30 lb, with internal speakers [Re: anotherscott]
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I think the P105 is the winner in the bunch. I am going to try out the Korg SP280 though; note that even though it says 41.9 lbs that includes the stand.

One thing to note about the P105 is the headphone output was done nicely; it was very loud half way through.

One thing I found in a few units to be aware of; playing both hands in the area below middle c; there could be a clicking noise coming from the right corner of the unit; as if it was not fastened properly.

Was an issue in one unit I sent back; one in the store had it slightly but not alarming.
I might try it again.
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#2034504 - 02/16/13 09:58 PM Re: less than 30 lb, with internal speakers [Re: xorbe]
xorbe Offline
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Okay I forgot about his last P70 complaint: it crackles at 70%+ volume on the headphone jack.

So I got my hands on the P105 and the PX350 right next to each other today ... oh man, maybe I'm biased because I have a 330 (it's for sale though), but:

(1) The keys on the PX350 are much better than expected over the P105.
(2) I'm obviously familiar with the lamented 330 decay, but I'm having a hard time finding any disagreeable differences between the PX350 and P105 on their main piano samples (w/headphones).
(3) The P105 still crackles at 70%+, but no issues on the PX350 (w/headphones).
(4) The P105 internal speakers seem cleaner sounding, but have less bass response than PX350. A matter of preference.
(5) [Of course one must mention that the PX350 runs 33% ($200) more than the P105 at regular pricing.]

I think I'll have him try the PX350 first, and then watch how he reacts with the P105.


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