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#2033923 - 02/15/13 07:44 PM Baldwin M- voicing question
kekpiano Offline
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Hello! I looked at a 1960 Baldwin Model M today and could use some input. Action felt good, all keys were in working order, pedals/dampers felt good, and the instrument has been maintained very well (was owned by a piano teacher). I was not entirely thrilled with the tone and found it to be very bright, especially in the bass. It sounded like an entirely different piano with the soft pedal down. If it sounded like that all the time, I'd be sold! Here's my question- would you buy an instrument assuming the bright tone can be fixed with voicing? Or would you ask the seller to do this before you buy?

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#2033973 - 02/15/13 09:57 PM Re: Baldwin M- voicing question [Re: kekpiano]
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Is the seller a piano dealer?

All hammers brighten with use so it may be that the hammers are significantly worn or were voiced up too much when the piano was made or with subsequent technical work.

If they don't needle down well, and/or respond to diluted water treatment-replacement is the option.

The Baldwin M is a terrific small grand and those from the early sixties were generally well made.
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#2033977 - 02/15/13 10:03 PM Re: Baldwin M- voicing question [Re: kekpiano]
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Thanks for your response! It's a private seller, not a dealer. Is it risky to buy without knowing how the hammers will respond?

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#2033978 - 02/15/13 10:05 PM Re: Baldwin M- voicing question [Re: kekpiano]
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You could ask the seller if a tech you or they hire can try and voice the piano to your liking ahead of time. Otherwise, I think you're taking a huge chance with one of the most important, if not the most important part of choosing a piano. The only exception might be if you've played other versions of this model and feel confident enough that if voicing doesn't work replacing the hammers will make the piano to your liking. It might be possible to voice a relatively small number of notes as a test for possible voicing results.

Unless someone is not at all fussy about the tone, I can't understand buying a piano just hoping the tone can be improved to their liking. Maybe if the price is so good that it could easily be sold without a loss.


Edited by pianoloverus (02/15/13 10:13 PM)

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#2034026 - 02/15/13 11:43 PM Re: Baldwin M- voicing question [Re: pianoloverus]
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If you have a piano technician who is skilled in tone regulation-hire them to evaluate the piano so you can know better what you are getting into. Of course the condition of the bridges, pin-block, keys, dampers and case must be known also to figure the price accurately. (The strings probably are still good since the bass is too bright and if the wound strings were dead you wouldn't be hearing bright)
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#2034186 - 02/16/13 09:56 AM Re: Baldwin M- voicing question [Re: kekpiano]
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I am having a technician come with me to check it out. Thanks for the suggestion to try voicing a few notes- I think he will do that today. I'm nervous/excited!

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#2034212 - 02/16/13 11:03 AM Re: Baldwin M- voicing question [Re: kekpiano]
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Originally Posted By: kekpiano
I am having a technician come with me to check it out. Thanks for the suggestion to try voicing a few notes- I think he will do that today. I'm nervous/excited!
One approach would be having him try and voice a few of the worst notes in each part of the keyboard to your liking.

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