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#2034560 - 02/17/13 02:14 AM Nord XL sample vs L sample????
thercman Offline
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For you guys that play a Nord, are you able to distinguish the differences between the two sample sizes? If so, what are the differences you notice?
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#2034566 - 02/17/13 02:36 AM Re: Nord XL sample vs L sample???? [Re: thercman]
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The XL samples are, I believe, fully mapped across the keyboard (rather than being stretched). So the XL sets have many more notes that are sampled. The other main difference is that the XL samples provide the string resonance across the entire keyboard whereas the L samples provide it only for the middle of the keyboard.

The XL samples sound/feel richer and fuller to me than the L samples, but I don't know how much of that is psychological. I've never done a direct comparison or tried distinguishing among them blind. My guess is that it would also depend on what kind of music you are playing. Furthermore, if you're playing in a band context, I think it would be much harder to hear the differences in the mix. If you're playing solo with isolation headphones on, it might be much easier to tell the difference. Also, pieces which use the sections of the keyboard which lack the string resonance may make the differences more evident than pieces that don't have that kind of range.

In any case, it's easy enough for you to swap out the sounds and see for yourself which sample best suits your needs. smile
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#2034617 - 02/17/13 07:26 AM Re: Nord XL sample vs L sample???? [Re: thercman]
Kawai James Online   content
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Wasn't there a case recently with the latest Italian grand sample whereby folks preferred the L version to the XL version?

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James
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#2034646 - 02/17/13 09:09 AM Re: Nord XL sample vs L sample???? [Re: thercman]
fizikisto Offline
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James,
Really? I must have missed that. do you recall why they preferred that sample? Was it better in some way? or was there just not enough of a difference in sound to justify the increased size?
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#2034661 - 02/17/13 09:44 AM Re: Nord XL sample vs L sample???? [Re: thercman]
Kawai James Online   content
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I don't remember the details, however I'm pretty sure it was discussed in the Italian Grand thread, either here on PW or over on the Nord User Forum.

I'm just about to go to bed, but will try to search for the thread tomorrow.

Cheers,
James
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#2034689 - 02/17/13 10:41 AM Re: Nord XL sample vs L sample???? [Re: thercman]
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Registered: 12/23/12
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It was on the Italian Grand thread here. Some people found that the XL sample had weird overtones when playing certain voicings I think.

I've encountered some strange (very subtle) metallic ringing with certain voicings from certain range as well when playing ItalinG-XL. Haven't tried if the L-size sample would be better

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#2034702 - 02/17/13 11:11 AM Re: Nord XL sample vs L sample???? [Re: voodooblues]
Dave Ferris Offline
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Registered: 03/12/07
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Loc: Glendale, Ca.
On first listen/installation I preferred the L over the XL. However this was late at night after a long day of a morning recording session/jingle, the afternoon of rehearsing with a vocalist for an hour and then a two hour gig in the evening. I don't think my ears were all that fresh... wink

The next morning I re-installed the XL Fazioli and compared the two side by side. I went with the XL...sounded fuller.

However since using the XL Fazioli since Christmas time, I've been going to it less as of late. While it's probably the most even of all the Nord piano samples, there's something about it that just doesn't "do it" for me, especially with bass & drums. Even with eq it sounds a little boxy or closed in. I find myself still going to the XL Yamaha Br Grand for the group playing and L Bosendorfer for the solo stuff. Actually I miss the XL on the Bosie, so when I get some time tomorrow I'm probably going to re-install the XL on the Bose and go back to the L on the Faz. There just isn't quite enough memory for XL on all 3 samples unfortunately.
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#2034708 - 02/17/13 11:26 AM Re: Nord XL sample vs L sample???? [Re: thercman]
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I am one of those preferring the L (and even M) Fazioli over the XL. The recording of this piano has quite a bit of ambience, and for my taste the full samples add a bit too many resonances when playing with sustain pedal. With the M sample there is less of that in the bass and treble and I prefer it that way.

Of course, in general (and disregarding the pedaling) the XL samples provide more even playing as more (all?) keys are sampled individually.

Like Dave I prefer the Bösendorfer for most of my playing (with suitable EQ), it has more clarity and a mighty bass.

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#2034744 - 02/17/13 12:42 PM Re: Nord XL sample vs L sample???? [Re: thercman]
fizikisto Offline
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Maurus that's interesting. I may have to load them both in tonight and do a side by side comparison. I probably play the Bösendorfer sample the most, but I'm actually quite fond of the uprights. Love the Petrof and the Blue swede pianos. Also anxiously awaiting the yamaha U3 samples they teased us with at NAMM.
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#2034783 - 02/17/13 01:54 PM Re: Nord XL sample vs L sample???? [Re: thercman]
thercman Offline
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Loc: Spokane WA, United States
Well a few days ago I loaded both the Bösendorfer and Fazioli as XL samples. I must say I am a fan of the Bösendorfer and that is what I typically play. It has a nice tone overall and the lows are great. Today I am going to add the Bösendorfer L sample so I can compare them back to back. It is nice to hear what guys think since my ear is not as trained as everyone else here. I always look forward to reading your inputs. :-)
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#2034826 - 02/17/13 03:35 PM Re: Nord XL sample vs L sample???? [Re: thercman]
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I don't like the Bosendorfer very much - very nasal and whining in the upper mids. I also find the bass a bit overblown personally. Studio Grand 2 is better. But the Fazioli for me is head and shoulders above them all.

What this all demonstrates is that Nord is successfully catering to a much wider range of tastes than other manufacturers.
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#2034842 - 02/17/13 03:57 PM Re: Nord XL sample vs L sample???? [Re: thercman]
fizikisto Offline
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EssBrace
Actually I don't disagree with you, but it's still one of my favorite sounds. I EQ the bass down a bit on the Bosendorfer sample, and I think i've raised the mid and trebble up a hair (saved, don't recall exactly what I did). In any case, with just a little tweaking it became absolutely gorgeous to me. That's why I love the nords, you have so many choices. There's this weird resonance in the steinway samples that make them unusable to me (once you hear it you can't unhear it, so if you like that sample you're probably better off not asking smile. But I'm not stuck with those samples. I've got a ton more to choose from, and I know I'll get even more as time goes on.
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#2034843 - 02/17/13 03:57 PM Re: Nord XL sample vs L sample???? [Re: EssBrace]
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You know in certain bad rooms with funky acoustics, the Bosendorfer, even the XL, can sound pretty crappy. And other times, it's perfect for solo or accompanying a vocalist. So much depends on the room acoustics, where the speakers are placed, if there's a lot of audience noise/talking going on. A lot of variables.

Like I've said in the past , the Studio 2 still has my favorite tone out of all the Nord samples but, live, it just thins out too much for my taste with the bass & drums, especially on the top end and especially compared to the newer XL Br. Grand & Bose.
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#2034846 - 02/17/13 04:00 PM Re: Nord XL sample vs L sample???? [Re: Dave Ferris]
maurus Online   content
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Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
You know in certain bad rooms with funky acoustics, the Bosendorfer, even the XL, can sound pretty crappy. And other times, it's perfect for solo or accompanying a vocalist. So much depends on the room acoustics, where the speakers are placed, if there's a lot of audience noise/talking going on. A lot of variables.

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#2035540 - 02/18/13 10:56 PM Re: Nord XL sample vs L sample???? [Re: thercman]
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The Faz in XL has my vote for solo playing and the Bright Grand Yamaha has my vote for cutting through live in a group setting.
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