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I wasn't aware there were so many priests who are homosexual

Ah well, you are now!

Sources?

Personal observation.

You must be spending A LOT of time at random churches and all that then!

Yes, I suppose musicians get to visit more different churches than most people.

Whoops...

Well... This is what I get for being in a country full of orthodox churches: Sunday service does NOT include playing hymns with an organ.

So I've never ever seen a keyboard instrument on a churches and it rarely comes to mind that a musician could be spending every Sunday at church for financial reasons, or music reasons, or other...

Sorry about my little joke...

Well, . . . lucky for YOU . . . he wasn't gay!

Just sayin'

I've never taken a church job, because I don't believe. But churches of many sorts often host performances here in the UK.

I can't prove it, but I too believe it's true.

I spent 4 1/2 years in a Franciscan seminary. Although 4 of those years were in a minor seminary (high school), I can vouch for the fact that there was a good deal of homosexual activity going on. Every year a group of our classmates would suddenly vanish (we jokingly referred to this as "spring cleaning"), because they'd been busted.

And while many will say that sexual orientation isn't fully developed in high school, I definitely agree with Michael that an all-male environment would have great appeal to a kid who was gay, or struggling with the thought that he might be. And many of the priests who taught us seemed to be gay also, but here again, this is conjecture on my part. Besides the usual stereotypical mannerisms, some of them seemed to be fond of getting their hands on the students. Nothing overtly inappropriate, but a few always seemed to find a way to start a conversation with you in the hallway, and then start rubbing your neck, back, shoulder, etc., and frankly, this did tend to creep me out.

What's funny is that some of my closest friends turned out to be gay, and I had been clueless about that throughout high school. It wasn't until we hit college that they "came out" and brought me up to speed. We were all getting ready to bail out anyway, for various reasons, so I guess they figured it was time to "break my bubble". We had quite a few chuckles at my expense. Just proves through what a narrow prism we view our fellow human beings, even when they're our best friends.

Here's a thought:

If we agree that a person needs sex in their life (regardless if it's a male or a female), then given some specific situations they are bound to develop some (occasional and in regards to the specific situation) tendencies...

Church is one instance, were females are not exactly equal.
Jail is another instance, were homosexuality, as far as I know thrives.
Same sex high schools, seem to also have similar problems, though not as advanced (though old man just mentioned this, so I'm not too sure it's not as advanced after all).


We do need to differentiate between the necessary sexual activity, the sexual activity and sexual preferences. Someone mentioned it a couple of pages ago, but it's worth repeating!

It used to be the case that if a thread digressed on non-music topics for a long time, it was shut down. And if it was at all offensive or politically/culturally incendiary, it was shut down all the sooner. With the idea that there are other places on the internet for such discussions.

I wonder if there's been a change in philosophy on the part of the moderators?

I think I'm already starting to see the baleful influence of this thread on others. Irrelevant hot-topic cultural references are on the rise.


-Jason

I'm sorry Nikolas...but "necessary" sexual activity?

Irrelevant?

Hrrumph.

I said that "If we agree that a person needs sex in their life".

"Necessary sex" I mean when someone is forced to have sex with someone they under normal circumstances wouldn't want to.

Take for example paid sex...

This was not just a same-sex high school. We lived there 24x7, except for Christmas holiday and summers. Couldn't step outside the 105 acre campus, or you were subject to expulsion. So this was a true "lock down". And that's what made it more "advanced".

Ah... so pretty much a jail then... :-/ Ok... That's more clear!

Gay people have children. In fact, if you were gay in the time that my grandfather was a young man, it was probably quite likely that you would.

Some form of sex is 'necessary' in the sense that our urge for it is instinctive and suppressing it can be psychologically harmful. Not necessary in the same way that breathing is of course.

Yup. That line worked for me too :-)