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#2035944 - 02/19/13 03:52 PM
Re: Carbon Fiber Soundboards
[Re: Goof]
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Hurstwood farm i.e. Richard Dain and his group do not actually make the sound board but rely on a factory which produces the bodies for F1 cars and aerospace requirements!
Yes, this is true, however, not without input from Hurstwood Farm. Why not tackle a smaller project like a revolutionary action? This is not a small project.
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#2036932 - 02/21/13 12:01 PM
Re: Carbon Fiber Soundboards
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Registered: 12/08/09
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Loc: East Nashville, TN
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I have to just laugh when I see something like " a carbon fiber board will add 20K to a price" When in actuality the cost of the material is about 1/3 less than that of gluing up a spruce board. Carbon fiber has become almost as cheap if not cheaper to work with than fiberglass, a vacuum press is still needed for making a perfect part though.
We experimented last year with Mono-cote which is the fabric they stretch over aircraft frames. We stripped out an upright, installed a mono-cote high tension frame in there with a titanium bridge. The end result was a piano that was about 60 % louder, still sounded like a piano and is still being used by the musician who bought it. Or as he says... No amp required.
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#2037099 - 02/21/13 05:21 PM
Re: Carbon Fiber Soundboards
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Registered: 12/09/12
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Loc: Seattle, WA USA
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Nashville,
Care to post pictures and a sound recording. Also since Titanium expands significantly with temperature changes how well does the piano stay at pitch when the heat switches on?
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#2037104 - 02/21/13 05:36 PM
Re: Carbon Fiber Soundboards
[Re: Nash. Piano Rescue]
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Registered: 10/27/04
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Loc: Lowell MA
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I have to just laugh when I see something like " a carbon fiber board will add 20K to a price" When in actuality the cost of the material is about 1/3 less than that of gluing up a spruce board. Carbon fiber has become almost as cheap if not cheaper to work with than fiberglass, a vacuum press is still needed for making a perfect part though.
We experimented last year with Mono-cote which is the fabric they stretch over aircraft frames. We stripped out an upright, installed a mono-cote high tension frame in there with a titanium bridge. The end result was a piano that was about 60 % louder, still sounded like a piano and is still being used by the musician who bought it. Or as he says... No amp required. I'll be traveling south this summer. I wonder if I might be able to see and hear the piano you mention? Is that an arrangement you can make? Larry
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#2037325 - 02/22/13 03:34 AM
Re: Carbon Fiber Soundboards
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Registered: 03/14/08
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Loc: France
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I have to just laugh when I see something like " a carbon fiber board will add 20K to a price" When in actuality the cost of the material is about 1/3 less than that of gluing up a spruce board. Carbon fiber has become almost as cheap if not cheaper to work with than fiberglass, a vacuum press is still needed for making a perfect part though.
We experimented last year with Mono-cote which is the fabric they stretch over aircraft frames. We stripped out an upright, installed a mono-cote high tension frame in there with a titanium bridge. The end result was a piano that was about 60 % louder, still sounded like a piano and is still being used by the musician who bought it. Or as he says... No amp required. Should be interesting as for a "better electrical piano" in, that case (Fender Rhodes and such) Do you have a few graphs of the spectra, or samples recorded ?
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#2037326 - 02/22/13 03:38 AM
Re: Carbon Fiber Soundboards
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Registered: 03/14/08
Posts: 4418
Loc: France
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Hurstwood farm i.e. Richard Dain and his group do not actually make the sound board but rely on a factory which produces the bodies for F1 cars and aerospace requirements!
Yes, this is true, however, not without input from Hurstwood Farm. Why not tackle a smaller project like a revolutionary action? This is not a small project. I have read mixed witnessings after testing pianos with and without the R Dain ameliorations. Tone quality is one thing, play ability another , meaning, the way to modulate the tone. But any research is welcome even the one not coming from piano builders. Most good pianists are expecting "something" of an instrument, and that they don't find always. It is subtle, not a question of huge power ore purer partials, as the easyness to drive a race car.
Edited by Olek (02/22/13 03:39 AM)
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