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#2035319 - 02/18/13 02:59 PM Re: How much time do you get to practice? [Re: JoelW]
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Kuan, that's an insane program!
Btw if you want I can hear the Franck sometime and plant some ideas if you need. I know the piece inside out!
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#2035324 - 02/18/13 03:08 PM Re: How much time do you get to practice? [Re: JoelW]
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Not as much as I would like. I've been using a music journal app recently to see how much precisely and it was less than what I thought.

With this revelation I've pushed it to an average of 2 hours a day.
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#2035407 - 02/18/13 05:49 PM Re: How much time do you get to practice? [Re: JoelW]
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I find it a struggle to get enough time, or as much as I'd like. I aim for at least an hour - sometimes I manage more (did about 90 minutes today), sometimes less. It would be even harder if I didn't work from home. Even then, I have to get any required work out of the way and give the dog a nice long walk. Then if it's a weekday and my wife's working too I have to get our fourteen-month-old from the child minder, so I normally need to fit playing in before that. Playing when after she's in bed works sometimes, other times it wakes her up.

When the wife works weekends I basically get no practise done, as it's pretty much all parenting duties. Should improve as the little one gets older and doesn't need constant supervision... until no. 2 comes along, anyway. Maybe by then we will have a nanny or au pair.

Could do a bit more at night, I suppose. I have a Yamaha S90 synth - not ideal, and no sostenuto or una corda, but it has 88 weighted keys and a sustain pedal, at least.

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#2035423 - 02/18/13 06:26 PM Re: How much time do you get to practice? [Re: FarmGirl]
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I usually practice about 2 hours a day on workdays and 3 hours on weekends. It varies some from week to week depending on what I am working on. when I first start a Bach invention, it takes me a long time to get it memorized hands separate (This is what my teacher wants before I put it together) so this past week I put in about 18 hours at the piano as I am also working on memorizing a Chopin waltz at the same time. I'm in my sixties and memorizing music is a lot harder than when I was younger. At the same time, I figure it's good for my brain so I do it. Most of the time I really enjoy my time at the piano. As someone else said, sometimes when I get home from work, I'm tired and don't feel like practicing but once I start I feel better and the time flies.
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#2035454 - 02/18/13 07:24 PM Re: How much time do you get to practice? [Re: JoelW]
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Three hours a day. Two first thing in the morning, and then a third hour later in AM, every day.

I'm retired, so I have time to practice even more, but there seems to be a point after which I fatigue, and I feel may be counter productive to practice further.

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#2035478 - 02/18/13 08:27 PM Re: How much time do you get to practice? [Re: JoelW]
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There's been the occasional weekend day when I've felt it's "enough"--but normally I'm wishing for more. This is probably a good thing, as it keeps me eager to play.

I don't keep track of hours spent. I used to, but then realized this served no good purpose for me.

Since music is an avocation for me, it's often time stolen from other things I could/should be doing (not quite like time spent playing video games or watching tv, but still an indulgence). So I don't document it.

I'd practice piano more if I weren't also trying to keep up my flute embouchure (OT).
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#2035511 - 02/18/13 09:32 PM Re: How much time do you get to practice? [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
Kuan, that's an insane program!
Btw if you want I can hear the Franck sometime and plant some ideas if you need. I know the piece inside out!

Yesss, I will need help! + I'll need help on the Liszt too. I think I'll be ready by mid-march with both? So far I've learned the 4th movement of the Franck and have worked through most of the 1st movement, but the second one is tough.

The Liszt sonata meanwhile is ridiculous but soo fun to practice!
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#2035538 - 02/18/13 10:54 PM Re: How much time do you get to practice? [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
What I always find fascinating is people who have a non-music related job, the typical 8 hours a day, and still find the energy to practice every day. How do you do it???

I mean, when I have class and work on the same day, which can total about 8 hours, my practicing suffers immensely because my brain is just not as fresh as when I practice first thing in the day. And then I barely get anything done and usually can't do more than 3-4 hours.


I get 1-1.5 hours on weekdays; more on weekends.

Sometimes I am just too tired, or have too much work to do in the evenings and don't have time or energy to practice.

I have absolutely no time in the mornings before I head off. There are simply too many bodies to get out the door and on their way to work or school. When I get home, we make and eat dinner, supervise any homework that remains to be done, do any chores that need to be done, then get the children off to bed. That's when I can begin my practice, but I don't want to practice too late into the night or I'll keep everybody from getting their sleep, including myself.

I find practicing is a release from the cares of the day. It engages my brain in a different way than my work. Practicing also helps me to be more patient at work. And, if I get stuck in a boring meeting, I can mentally run through my music and think about some of the bits that need more work (there are lots of those).

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#2035554 - 02/18/13 11:39 PM Re: How much time do you get to practice? [Re: Kuanpiano]
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Originally Posted By: Kuanpiano
Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
Kuan, that's an insane program!
Btw if you want I can hear the Franck sometime and plant some ideas if you need. I know the piece inside out!

Yesss, I will need help! + I'll need help on the Liszt too. I think I'll be ready by mid-march with both? So far I've learned the 4th movement of the Franck and have worked through most of the 1st movement, but the second one is tough.

The Liszt sonata meanwhile is ridiculous but soo fun to practice!


Cool! I'm away until mid March, and then have a couple of recitals, but done around the 24th! I'd love to hear it all!
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#2035558 - 02/18/13 11:53 PM Re: How much time do you get to practice? [Re: JoelW]
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I LOVE the second movement of the Franck sonata. I'll one day learn it and try to find violinists to play it with me. Usually it's the other way around, right? Lol.

Pogo, do you run your music and your practicing strategies/thinking about actually practicing through your head while doing other things? I do it all the time (same with conducting), haha. I think it helps me a lot.

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#2035560 - 02/18/13 11:54 PM Re: How much time do you get to practice? [Re: JoelW]
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Today I got about 5 hours in (on a really nice newly restored Steinway L). Unfortunately, I rarely get in more than an hour or two unless I have something important coming up.
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#2035562 - 02/18/13 11:56 PM Re: How much time do you get to practice? [Re: JoelW]
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I'm a junior in high-school and I am very dedicated to practicing. I wake up early and practice 2 hours of violin before school and 4 to 8 hours of piano after school. This summer I'm looking to practice 8 to 12 hours a day of piano. smile


Edited by hsheck (02/18/13 11:58 PM)

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#2035566 - 02/18/13 11:59 PM Re: How much time do you get to practice? [Re: JoelW]
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Are you auditioning for any summer festivals? Keep up the dedication; that's really neat that you also play violin. My favorite violin works are the Bach solo sonatas and partitas, and Brahms' violin concerto smile

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#2035574 - 02/19/13 12:12 AM Re: How much time do you get to practice? [Re: Orange Soda King]
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My piano teacher is interested in having me attend the Luther College Summer Music Festival in Decorah,IA this summer. She is part of the camp's faculty. On top of my college audition repertoire, I'll be learning Saint Saens 2nd piano concerto which I'll use to compete in the camp's concerto competition. smile

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#2035703 - 02/19/13 08:04 AM Re: How much time do you get to practice? [Re: Vid]
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Originally Posted By: Vid
I've been using a music journal app recently to see how much precisely and it was less than what I thought.

With this revelation I've pushed it to an average of 2 hours a day.


What app? Is it for Android?
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#2035905 - 02/19/13 02:28 PM Re: How much time do you get to practice? [Re: Morodiene]
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iPhone - its called MusicJournal. Its basically a glorified timer but somewhat useful.
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#2035924 - 02/19/13 03:13 PM Re: How much time do you get to practice? [Re: hsheck]
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I'm a junior in high-school and I am very dedicated to practicing. I wake up early and practice 2 hours of violin before school and 4 to 8 hours of piano after school. This summer I'm looking to practice 8 to 12 hours a day of piano. smile
If you practice that much you must really love music, but it seems hard to get a reasonable amount of sleep and recreation/relaxation with that kind of schedule.

If school starts at 8:30am I'm assuming you'd have to get up at 7:30 am the latest but you said you practice two hours of violin in the morning so that would bring it back to 5:30am or earlier. If school gets out at say 2:30 pm and you get home by 3pm then just four hours practicing would be up to 7pm. With just two hours of homework and time to eat dinner that's up to 10 pm already. I guess some high school students get less than 6 hours sleep during on weekdays but I think some of them a least make up for it on the weekends.

Have you already decided you want a career as a musician?

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#2035926 - 02/19/13 03:17 PM Re: How much time do you get to practice? [Re: hsheck]
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[...]This summer I'm looking to practice 8 to 12 hours a day of piano. smile


That sounds to me like gross over-kill and probably not wise. How much can you efficiently accomplish after three or four hours? Even if the physical stamina is there, how mentally alert can you be without ending up practicing inefficiently? After about three hours, diminishing returns begin to set in for most people.

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#2035933 - 02/19/13 03:29 PM Re: How much time do you get to practice? [Re: JoelW]
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I suppose it depends on what you mean by "practice".
There is more to the piano than banging on the keys.

Outside of the 3 or 4 hours on the instrument you could spend time listening to recordings, studying and analyzing scores, practicing concentration or meditating, relaxation or Alexander technique, brushing up on your harmony, solfege, or musical history, taking breaks to sight read or play repertoire pieces for enjoyment and refresh, attend recitals and concerts, etc. etc.

Much of the working world has to spend 8 hours per day working at a minimum at whatever they are doing. However, most with the autonomy to be able to plan their days work to alternate intense activities with less intense activities.

I think it would be easy for someone with the time and motivation to devote 8 to 12 hours to their "practice" of mastering the piano. We all should be so lucky.

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#2035968 - 02/19/13 04:27 PM Re: How much time do you get to practice? [Re: theJourney]
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Being home schooled has allowed me a flexible schedule to help pursue my musical interests, school work and also extracurricular activities such as boy scouts, sports, fishing, drama, skiing, etc. where as if I was enrolled in public school the time for music would be limited.

Here is what the average day looks like for me:

5:55 am wake up
6:00 to 8 violin
8:15 High school Orchestra
9:00 high school choir
10:00 to 3:00 school work
3:00 to 10 piano practice 10 pm sleep

Now, this schedule changes do to college orchestra, sports , instrument lessons etc. smile

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#2036057 - 02/19/13 07:04 PM Re: How much time do you get to practice? [Re: theJourney]
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Originally Posted By: theJourney
I suppose it depends on what you mean by "practice".
There is more to the piano than banging on the keys.

Outside of the 3 or 4 hours on the instrument you could spend time listening to recordings, studying and analyzing scores, practicing concentration or meditating, relaxation or Alexander technique, brushing up on your harmony, solfege, or musical history, taking breaks to sight read or play repertoire pieces for enjoyment and refresh, attend recitals and concerts, etc. etc.

Much of the working world has to spend 8 hours per day working at a minimum at whatever they are doing. However, most with the autonomy to be able to plan their days work to alternate intense activities with less intense activities.

I think it would be easy for someone with the time and motivation to devote 8 to 12 hours to their "practice" of mastering the piano. We all should be so lucky.
I wouldn't call 8-12 hours/day lucky at all.

Perhaps some professionals or want to be professionals at certain times of their lives practice this much, but I think this is rare even in their case. My guess is that even most professionals would rarely choose to pratice 8-12 hours/day if they didn't have to in order to learn what their teachers demanded of, i.e. if it wasn't necessary for their career goals or engagements.

For the 99+% of the rest of the piano playing world much more than 2-3 hours makes little sense IMO. If one practiced 12 hours and slept 8 hours, there is only time left for about three meals, personal hygiene, and very little else. So 12 hours would be an extreme amount for almost anyone and extremely inappropriate for non amateurs who want some balance of activities in their lives.

Even five minutes spent "banging on the keys" is not good.


Edited by pianoloverus (02/19/13 07:12 PM)

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#2036092 - 02/19/13 08:54 PM Re: How much time do you get to practice? [Re: JoelW]
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Hm, I'm going crazy over this right now. I work full time, am taking piano lessons and practicing piano maybe 2 hours a day during the week, 3-4 hours on weekends, plus practicing the cello when I can (have a concerto performance tentatively set for the fall), teaching a couple of students ... practice time never seems like enough.
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#2036095 - 02/19/13 09:07 PM Re: How much time do you get to practice? [Re: BruceD]
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Originally Posted By: hsheck
[...]This summer I'm looking to practice 8 to 12 hours a day of piano. smile


That sounds to me like gross over-kill and probably not wise. How much can you efficiently accomplish after three or four hours? Even if the physical stamina is there, how mentally alert can you be without ending up practicing inefficiently? After about three hours, diminishing returns begin to set in for most people.

Regards,


Seriously, don't do this. Total waste. The optimal practice time according to various Juilliard professors is around 5 hours.

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#2036120 - 02/19/13 10:14 PM Re: How much time do you get to practice? [Re: hsheck]
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I'm a junior in high-school and I am very dedicated to practicing. I wake up early and practice 2 hours of violin before school and 4 to 8 hours of piano after school. This summer I'm looking to practice 8 to 12 hours a day of piano. smile


I admire your determination. You are a superman. smile

As a freshman at a public high school, this is a typical schedule of mine:

7:20 wake up.
7:50 piano time.
8:20 leave home for school.
3:45 come home, doing my homework.
5:00 piano time.
6:30 dinner.
7:00 Big Bang Theory rerun.
7:30 or 8:00 back to homework and study depending on how much school work left.
10:00 time to sleep after a bit of internet time.

This gives me about 2 hours of practice during school.

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#2036136 - 02/19/13 10:36 PM Re: How much time do you get to practice? [Re: hsheck]
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Well, if you enjoy it... Make sure not to overdue it if you feel unwell or tired. And I guess you don't live in an apartment building? smile
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#2036175 - 02/20/13 12:35 AM Re: How much time do you get to practice? [Re: gooddog]
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[...] Teaching is exhausting. I have to be "on" for 5 straight hours and the multitasking doesn't stop from 6:30 until 3:30 p.m. [...]


I think only those of us who teach or who have taught can appreciate the demands of class-room teaching, a job that some claim is easy because it's only a few hours a day with "summers off. (Yeah, right! - as they say.) Being "on" for five or six hours means just that. You can't tell a secretary to "hold my calls," while you take a break, you can't close the classroom door to work on a project in the calm and quiet of your own space when you have to be teaching, and that teaching very often involves consecutive classes at different levels without breaks and hardly any time to shift gears.

Isn't it ironic that students can ask to "leave the room" - ostensibly for bathroom breaks - whereas teachers can't?

Good teaching means that you are "on stage" continuously and relentlessly, trying your best for every minute of class time to engage, involve and captivate the interest of your students; if you aren't successful at that, the students are the first to grasp that and you lose them. Believe me, in a classroom full of students you don't want to risk losing one of them, for even a moment, or you lose control.

As Deborah says, it's exhausting!

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#2036313 - 02/20/13 09:40 AM Re: How much time do you get to practice? [Re: theJourney]
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Originally Posted By: theJourney
I suppose it depends on what you mean by "practice".
There is more to the piano than banging on the keys.

Outside of the 3 or 4 hours on the instrument you could spend time listening to recordings, studying and analyzing scores, practicing concentration or meditating, relaxation or Alexander technique, brushing up on your harmony, solfege, or musical history, taking breaks to sight read or play repertoire pieces for enjoyment and refresh, attend recitals and concerts, etc. etc.

Much of the working world has to spend 8 hours per day working at a minimum at whatever they are doing. However, most with the autonomy to be able to plan their days work to alternate intense activities with less intense activities.

I think it would be easy for someone with the time and motivation to devote 8 to 12 hours to their "practice" of mastering the piano. We all should be so lucky.


Completely. And I usually just call that "creative process" as opposed to "practicing". Sometimes you can come up with the most unusual things in the studio, reading a score.
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#2036360 - 02/20/13 11:16 AM Re: How much time do you get to practice? [Re: BruceD]
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Originally Posted By: gooddog
[...] Teaching is exhausting. I have to be "on" for 5 straight hours and the multitasking doesn't stop from 6:30 until 3:30 p.m. [...]

I think only those of us who teach or who have taught can appreciate the demands of class-room teaching, a job that some claim is easy because it's only a few hours a day with "summers off. (Yeah, right! - as they say.) Being "on" for five or six hours means just that. ...As Deborah says, it's exhausting! Regards,

Thanks Bruce. I know you know! It's frustrating when the media blames all the problems in education on the teachers. I don't want to hijack this thread with a rant, but from the teachers' perspective, most of the problems in public education can be solved in the home. I challenge anyone to find a more dedicated, harder working group of people.
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#2036409 - 02/20/13 12:42 PM Re: How much time do you get to practice? [Re: JoelW]
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It's depressing! I got into piano for a year when I was in university, I could manage a couple hours a day and progressed quite rapidly....fast forward to the present [work, family, kids], and I can't get time for anything frown Weekends are totally out, and if I'm not exhausted from work, then it's about 30min if I'm lucky. It's going to be slow progress, and might be disappointing as I have big goals, high aspirations, etc etc. Sigh...life!
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#2036452 - 02/20/13 02:01 PM Re: How much time do you get to practice? [Re: JoelW]
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Reading all this stuff makes me not want a family or kids but to continue what I'm doing....
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