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#2038593 - 02/24/13 05:42 PM Rusty strings? Can it be cleaned? (pics)
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So I have a kawai grand from the early 90's. The original owner had the piano kind of by the ocean. It was up on a large hill 1-2 miles inland. The piano had a damp-chaser installed by original owner and had a wool string cover. Here are pictures of the strings.. I was wondering if this is something that can be addressed without re-stringing.. a few questions.. can i clean this myself? or should i have my tech clean it? should i leave it alone and possibly re-string a few years down the road.. i live in southern California and not close to the beach so i don't have to worry about conditions here anymore.










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#2038618 - 02/24/13 06:21 PM Re: Rusty strings? Can it be cleaned? (pics) [Re: Gatsbee13]
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Well, here's one opinion. It's cosmetic. Don't worry about it.
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#2038657 - 02/24/13 07:46 PM Re: Rusty strings? Can it be cleaned? (pics) [Re: Gatsbee13]
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If you try to clean the bass strings you could loosen the copper winding and they will buzz and rattle. It's best to leave them alone till you decide to restring.
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#2038673 - 02/24/13 08:27 PM Re: Rusty strings? Can it be cleaned? (pics) [Re: Gatsbee13]
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Yes, it is possible, but not by you. Bill Bremmer wrote an excellent article on rejuvenating bass strings in the PTG Journal. Find a tech who is familiar with that procedure.
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#2038690 - 02/24/13 09:10 PM Re: Rusty strings? Can it be cleaned? (pics) [Re: beethoven986]
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Originally Posted By: beethoven986
Yes, it is possible, but not by you. Bill Bremmer wrote an excellent article on rejuvenating bass strings in the PTG Journal. Find a tech who is familiar with that procedure.


Do you have a link to this article?

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#2038691 - 02/24/13 09:23 PM Re: Rusty strings? Can it be cleaned? (pics) [Re: David Jenson]
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Originally Posted By: David Jenson
Well, here's one opinion. It's cosmetic. Don't worry about it.


this puts me at ease.. but i would like to get them cleaned as they are kind of an eye sore.

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#2038698 - 02/24/13 09:43 PM Re: Rusty strings? Can it be cleaned? (pics) [Re: Gatsbee13]
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Originally Posted By: Gatsbee13
Originally Posted By: David Jenson
Well, here's one opinion. It's cosmetic. Don't worry about it.


this puts me at ease.. but i would like to get them cleaned as they are kind of an eye sore.


How do they sound?

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#2038703 - 02/24/13 10:01 PM Re: Rusty strings? Can it be cleaned? (pics) [Re: Gatsbee13]
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They sound fine.. No dullness to the sound. I'm wondering if cleaning them would make them sound better or just make it look better.

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#2038720 - 02/24/13 10:40 PM Re: Rusty strings? Can it be cleaned? (pics) [Re: Gatsbee13]
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Originally Posted By: Gatsbee13
Originally Posted By: beethoven986
Yes, it is possible, but not by you. Bill Bremmer wrote an excellent article on rejuvenating bass strings in the PTG Journal. Find a tech who is familiar with that procedure.


Do you have a link to this article?


It's not online. The procedure is basically:

1. Raise damper-stop rail and prop up damper tray to raise dampers.
2. Using a Dremel tool w/ soft wire wheel attachment, polish the strings.
3. Loosen strings by 3/4 of a turn at the tuning pin. Remove strings from hitch pin and twist one full turn in the direction of the winding. Return loop to hitch pin.
4. Increase string tension and polish exposed underside of string.
5. Reset dampers and tune.

Hearing protection should be used. Do not attempt this yourself.
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#2038737 - 02/24/13 11:22 PM Re: Rusty strings? Can it be cleaned? (pics) [Re: Gatsbee13]
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I've done this on my piano, but its a 140 year old $500 upright so I didn't have much to lose smile On a piano this nice there is a real chance that you could end up making it sound worse and/or damaging something expensive just to make it look better. If it bothers you enough to consider restringing, then it would probably make sense to find a good tech who knows how to do it and is willing to give it a shot.

I lived about a mile off the beach in so cal for a while, its amazing how fast that salt air attacks anything metal!

Good luck!
Rob
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#2038858 - 02/25/13 06:18 AM Re: Rusty strings? Can it be cleaned? (pics) [Re: Gatsbee13]
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I am surprised that with a string cover plus DC the plain wire are so much corroded.

I seem to notice this does not happen as much with Roslau wire (if the piano is not kept open all day) .

I also have met a few 20 years old German pianos coming from the ocean and with really little corrosion. (there is a plated string sold by Roslau, but I did not see it advertised in much piano brands, however some are "tropicalized" and the wire quality may be just that)

Damper wire are easy to bend, I would not do that myself.

For the plain wire, , cleaning the underside is necessary when the corrosion is high. It is a difficult job. A wire with corrosion on the underside and none on the top is sounding unclear, in my experience.

If you can clean the plain wire, I would use some light oil on them, (as lighter fluid) to protect them.
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#2039026 - 02/25/13 01:41 PM Re: Rusty strings? Can it be cleaned? (pics) [Re: Gatsbee13]
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I think this is a particular issue in southern california. My guess is maybe a combination of the warmish year round temperature and the almost constant breeze blowing off the water along the shore? We only lived there for about 2 years, and in that time all sorts of things, lamps, furniture, etc started to develop significant surface rust. And as I say, we were a mile inland but close enough to feel that breeze. We also used to get a "marine layer" that would blow in most nights and probably deposit a layer of salt condensation on everything. It probably didn't help either that due to the moderate temps most folks keep the windows open year round, and many near the beaches don't have central air. Works out great on all but the ~7 days a year when the wind turns around and blows in off the desert wink

Rob


Edited by miscrms (02/25/13 01:47 PM)
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#2039036 - 02/25/13 01:59 PM Re: Rusty strings? Can it be cleaned? (pics) [Re: Gatsbee13]
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the 25-30 years old grand I have seen that had a string cover did shine absolutely like new. Certainly better than nothing .

I dont really believe DC can correct a permanent warm high humidiy level if the temperature is warm, the efficiency of the rods is lowered (they just warm the air, in the end)
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#2039933 - 02/27/13 12:48 AM Re: Rusty strings? Can it be cleaned? (pics) [Re: beethoven986]
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Originally Posted By: beethoven986
Originally Posted By: Gatsbee13
Originally Posted By: beethoven986
Yes, it is possible, but not by you. Bill Bremmer wrote an excellent article on rejuvenating bass strings in the PTG Journal. Find a tech who is familiar with that procedure.


Do you have a link to this article?


It's not online. The procedure is basically:

1. Raise damper-stop rail and prop up damper tray to raise dampers.
2. Using a Dremel tool w/ soft wire wheel attachment, polish the strings.
3. Loosen strings by 3/4 of a turn at the tuning pin. Remove strings from hitch pin and twist one full turn in the direction of the winding. Return loop to hitch pin.
4. Increase string tension and polish exposed underside of string.
5. Reset dampers and tune.

Hearing protection should be used. Do not attempt this yourself.


I had my tech come out today and clean and polish the strings. he did a pretty good job but im not 100% satisfied. he wasn't able to get the string area between the pins.. Im guessing that's where steps 2 and 3 come in handy.. am I correct? he used a 3 step process but I don't believe he used a dremel with wire attachment. hes coming back to tune the piano on Friday, so perhaps I should tell him about the 5 step process?

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#2039935 - 02/27/13 12:56 AM Re: Rusty strings? Can it be cleaned? (pics) [Re: Gatsbee13]
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btw... I contacted bill bremmer and he talked about the wheel wire.. just wish he had the article he wrote still but he no longer had it on his comp. I will let me tech know about that 5 step process. is there anything else I should let him know about before he comes on Friday to tune the piano?

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#2039947 - 02/27/13 01:33 AM Re: Rusty strings? Can it be cleaned? (pics) [Re: Gatsbee13]
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Originally Posted By: Gatsbee13
btw... I contacted bill bremmer and he talked about the wheel wire.. just wish he had the article he wrote still but he no longer had it on his comp. I will let me tech know about that 5 step process. is there anything else I should let him know about before he comes on Friday to tune the piano?


I do have it on my computer as a pdf. If it's ok with Mr. Bremmer, I can send it to you.
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#2040040 - 02/27/13 08:53 AM Re: Rusty strings? Can it be cleaned? (pics) [Re: Gatsbee13]
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I don't believe it will be possible to get every trace of rust removed in the tuning pin area. A steel brush with long bristles can be tried but I don't believe you'll ever get things to look like new material.

Removing corrosion from wound strings can definitely rejuvenate their tone. Removing rust from plain wire will improve the tone only marginally at best. Some people seem to think the strings sound better when they are clean but I think that may be an illusion.

Removal of rust from the tuning pin area will only make it look better, it certainly won't improve the tone. I can understand why you would want to make the piano look as good and clean as you can, however. This would be one area where I think you could safely do it yourself. If you can find a steel bristled brush (not a long scrub brush type but something about 4 inches long that is the shape of a small paint brush), you may be able to make the tuning pin area look much better with a lot of painstaking work.
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#2040097 - 02/27/13 11:28 AM Re: Rusty strings? Can it be cleaned? (pics) [Re: Gatsbee13]
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Any recommendations on where to find aforementioned steel bristle brush? I looked through Home Depots site but they just have the scrubbing kind.

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#2040429 - 02/27/13 10:35 PM Re: Rusty strings? Can it be cleaned? (pics) [Re: Gatsbee13]
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Restringing will solve your concerns. It's not fare to yourself; the piano; or a technician to be tuning, voicing, and regulating around rusted strings. What Kawai model is it?

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#2040476 - 02/28/13 12:40 AM Re: Rusty strings? Can it be cleaned? (pics) [Re: Gatsbee13]
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whats a ballpark figure for re-stringing and replacing pins? btw: its a GS-40

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#2040484 - 02/28/13 12:54 AM Re: Rusty strings? Can it be cleaned? (pics) [Re: Gatsbee13]
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Originally Posted By: Gatsbee13
whats a ballpark figure for re-stringing and replacing pins? btw: its a GS-40


Prices will vary widely depending on the cost of the plain wire, wound strings, and tuning pins, as well as the technician doing the work. If more comprehensive work is done (i.e. pinblock replacement, bridge recapping and/or repinning, rescaling, or agraffe reconditioning and/or replacement) the cost will be significantly more. $3,000 is probably in the ball park for a basic restringing, but I could see it approaching $5,000-$6,000 with more comprehensive work.
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#2040544 - 02/28/13 05:13 AM Re: Rusty strings? Can it be cleaned? (pics) [Re: Gatsbee13]
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GS40 is the best model build by Kawai in my opinion. the stability is simply incredible in my experience.

SO it is work spending some money

I would change the last treble sections only, plus eventually the basses if they are tired (25 years, it is just up to you to decide, that is just a sound quality question)

changing the top sections of wire is a 12 hours job (add some tunings the next months)

so not very expensive, the tuning pins are retained and the cost of the wire is very small.

it will clean your tone from those high pithed noises due to corrosion. the treble will be nicer and more robust

Restring the whole piano because of corrosion at that point seem to me a bit over..

I would spend that money on hammer shaping and keyboard new mortise cloths, plus new front punchings if you play a lot...
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#2040871 - 02/28/13 03:58 PM Re: Rusty strings? Can it be cleaned? (pics) [Re: Gatsbee13]
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I'm real interested in the end result you obtain, Gatsbee13, even if the sound improvement is not that great, I think the visual appearance alone will make it worthwhile - sorry, I'm just the type that gravitates madly to shiny things.

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#2040897 - 02/28/13 04:37 PM Re: Rusty strings? Can it be cleaned? (pics) [Re: Jorge Andrade]
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Here are some pics of the strings (post-cleaning). there seemed to be a slight improvement in sound after cleaning.







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#2040901 - 02/28/13 04:42 PM Re: Rusty strings? Can it be cleaned? (pics) [Re: Gatsbee13]
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It's definitely a huge improvement. Hopefully you can live with it as it is for a while before you eventually get it restrung.

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#2041012 - 02/28/13 08:13 PM Re: Rusty strings? Can it be cleaned? (pics) [Re: Gatsbee13]
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That is actually a remarkably well done job! I would suggest that you leave well enough alone although I can understand that what remains may bother you. I can also believe that there was some marginal improvement in the tone, especially in the wound strings. Otherwise, having a nice, clean piano does have its placebo effect, the same as having a really dirty car completely detailed makes it seem to run better.

It just so happened that I was in a hardware store today to pick up a few items and passed by the display that had wire brushes and such. There are many types. The article I wrote at one time mentioned using a Dremel tool only because someone else had suggested it might work for polishing wound strings. Indeed, it does and it will polish a wound string beautifully as long as you use one Dremel wheel per string! At a cost of a few bucks each, that could add up quickly!

I had started my business here in Madison, WI nearly 35 years ago. As a start-up guy in town, naturally, a lot of what I got to work on at first were some pretty crummy pianos: spinets, consoles and old uprights. There were ways to make any of them better, even if it was only a matter of cleaning out a yucky keybed, tightening some flanges and adjusting lost motion.

Somehow or another, I got the idea that if I took a wire wheel to the wound strings of a crusty looking old upright, I could "buzz" off all that old corrosion and make them sound better. I just got a soft wire wheel at a hardware store and put it on my electric drill. It worked like a charm! Later, I got a high speed polishing tool and put the wheel on that. It worked even better.

All of the procedures I had read that people had tried took much more time and were much more dubious. If it took more than an hour or so to clean up some wound strings, it would be a better idea to replace them. Really, you could get just about as good of an improvement with a hand held wire brush, beating and shaking all the accumulation out of the strings. The even and bright color from a high speed wire brush was merely cosmetic. A large wire wheel could not fit into every tight corner, so that is where a small wheel on a Dremel tool would work to finish a job in tight spots.

Last week, a young technician stopped by where I was working and asked me if he could borrow my polishing tool. I didn't have it with me but told him I used to do it simply with a regular drill. When I saw the piano he was working on later in the week, the wound strings looked really beautiful and they sounded virtually new! He had gone on to replacing all of the original action parts with new Wessel, Nichols & Gross synthetic parts and asked me to help him finalize the alignment and regulation. He had done a remarkably good job and by the time we finished late last Thursday night, there was a broadcast quality sound coming from that old grand of which I had never heard the name before.

The piano was clean and polished from one end to the other, had all new white keytops and satin finished sharps. I helped him really get the key level perfected and understand all of what goes into regulating new parts in a grand action. I put the ET via Marpurg temperament on it and tuned it entirely by ear. I essentially practiced the presentation I will give at the next PTG convention on how to get the most highly perfected and clearest sound from Equal Temperament.

At one point the young technician asked me if I had heard any false beats. I had not thought of it until then but my answer was "No". This old, no name grand from whatever date it had been originally built with original action parts that looked like they had rheumatoid arthritis, had not a single false beat in it! We had the house to ourselves while we were there, the owner being out of town and planning to return the next day.

On Saturday, I called the young technician and asked what the owner had said about the final product. The answer was that the owner was impressed beyond all expectations! The piano looked and sounded so beautiful! The tone and touch were SO even and the sound was so clear!

Now, as to some recommendations about what you may do about the remaining dust in the tuning pin area and remaining rust on the strings near the tuning pins and tuning pin coils. I understand that you are not a piano technician, so my first advice would be to simply leave it alone. Any further improvement would be merely cosmetic and would not result in any improvement in tone. I would suggest that you purchase a string cover in order to maintain the cleanliness you have now and that any future tuning service include the removal of any dust that may accumulate in spite of the string cover.

For the dust that remains in the tuning pin area, you can remove it painstakingly with Q-tips dipped in distilled water. For the rust on the tuning pins and string segments, I suggest you look in a hardware store for some kind of metal brush, much like a toothbrush. Go to a drugstore and get the purest kind of Isopropyl alcohol you can find, not the usual 70% kind but a higher concentrate, nearly devoid of water or even anhydrous alcohol if you can find it.

Using a Q-tip, moisten rusted areas with the alcohol and then brush with your brush as if you were doing a dental hygiene. Sop up whatever you get loose with dry Q-tips. This won't affect the tuning, so you can work on it a little at a time. Use good ventilation, as the alcohol fumes will not be good to breathe.

Good luck!
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#2041066 - 02/28/13 10:10 PM Re: Rusty strings? Can it be cleaned? (pics) [Re: Gatsbee13]
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Thanks for posting the pictures and what an improvement, oh my, specially when you can compare to the agraffes and pin area, surprisingly for me, I'd think the overall effect would be greater on the copper bass strings but I think the technician was able to bring up the luster on the treble and mid sections more than the bass, although they look really good too; I personally would like to see the copper shining a little bit more, but then again, coming from where you started, the piano looks 1000% better and from what you're saying it even sounds better to, that's a win-win situation all around, I'm going to run to the hardware store and see if I can find the wire brush Bill described and carefully do a little brushing myself, it's spring cleaning time everyone!

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#2041097 - 02/28/13 11:53 PM Re: Rusty strings? Can it be cleaned? (pics) [Re: Gatsbee13]
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Thx for the compliments. I haven't got the piano tuned yet as the tech was tired and requested another day for tuning . I took about 2 hours for the cleaning. Bill, I'm going to try the alcohol method you described. I'm just scared to put any kind of liquid on the strings as every tech I've spoken to said don't ever get liquid on the strings..I'm assuming this method is absolutely harmless as its a high concentrate of alcohol and it can't hit the soundboard.

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#2041110 - 03/01/13 12:42 AM Re: Rusty strings? Can it be cleaned? (pics) [Re: Gatsbee13]
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91% isopropyl alcohol is the highest the drugstores carry.. I'm not going to try it until
I get the OK from you Bill.


Edited by Gatsbee13 (03/01/13 12:46 AM)

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#2041130 - 03/01/13 01:50 AM Re: Rusty strings? Can it be cleaned? (pics) [Re: Gatsbee13]
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I got this set of brushes at Lowes for $3.. the stainless steel is used for scraping rust and removing corrosion, the brass is used for cleaning metal and removing corrosion.. I went ahead and tried the stainless steel brush on the strings that are on the bass side (without alcohol).. this part is easier as the tuning pins are spaced out further and I can use the brush diagonally between the pins.. however, the strings in the middle section are going to be the toughest section as the tuning pins are spaced closer.. im going to modify this stainless steel brush by chiseling away the side to make it thinner, so I can go between the pins.. otherwise it gets stuck on the pins as I try to brush diagonally. unfortunately, this was the thinnest and smallest brush I could find at lowes (and cheapest). btw, the brush on the bottom is nylon, which I believe wouldn't work in this situation.




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