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#2039738 - 02/26/13 04:42 PM need help, Kawai K3 or Petrof 125 G1???
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hi, I'm looking for a piano for my daughter who is 6 years old. now, I narrow down two pianos,but have big trouble on making decision. I don't play piano, so I really need suggestions on these two pianos.please help, piano drive me crazy!
my options are:
1. brand new Kawai K3 $5300
2. 2005 Petrof 125G1(like new condition) $4200
someone said Petrof's quality isn't stable,it needs extra care, but other opinion is Petrof is good piano. I'm totally got confused!does anyone have Petrof upright or know Petrof piano? please give me more information about this brand.
how to compare with Kawai K3 and Petrof 125? which one is the best choice?
they are all in my budget,and I don't want to upgrade to grand piano in the future. just need a piano which has stable quality and nice tone.
please please help!! thanks a lot!

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#2039742 - 02/26/13 04:48 PM Re: need help, Kawai K3 or Petrof 125 G1??? [Re: 999988887777]
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if the Petrof has renner actions then I would say Petrof.
K3 is a safe choice that you cannot go wrong with. I havent played a petrof piano yet but I generally prefer european tones over Kawai by a large margin.

my question is do you like the tone of that particular petrof?
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#2039753 - 02/26/13 05:10 PM Re: need help, Kawai K3 or Petrof 125 G1??? [Re: 999988887777]
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Originally Posted By: 999988887777
hi, I don't play piano, so I really need suggestions on these two pianos.


The Kawai is a safe choice. The price is fine. The Petrof has a little more musical potential in my opinion, but the Kawai is more than adequate for a child learning.

The Petrof would require an inspection that you would pay for out of pocket. That would probably cost you around $100. If you yourself played or your child had already studied for several years, any deficiencies in the Petrof's action would most likely be apparent. Since neither of those situations apply, you're best served by a professional opinion.

The price of the Petrof is excellent if it checks out as lightly used with no shortcomings in its action.
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#2039758 - 02/26/13 05:24 PM Re: need help, Kawai K3 or Petrof 125 G1??? [Re: Steven Y. A.]
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thanks for your suggestion. neither me nor the saler don't play piano. the guy who just tuned the petrof 125 couple weeks ago told me the tone is similar as Kawai. since it will cost $100 for inspecting and 2 hour driving, I want to know is it worth to do that?does Petrof is better that Kawai?

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#2039763 - 02/26/13 05:29 PM Re: need help, Kawai K3 or Petrof 125 G1??? [Re: turandot]
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thank you for your reply! the price of Petrof already include inspection, moving and tuning. is it a good price?

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#2039770 - 02/26/13 05:37 PM Re: need help, Kawai K3 or Petrof 125 G1??? [Re: 999988887777]
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someone said Petrof's key will get stuck sometimes and the action is little slow. does anyone has these problems?

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#2039772 - 02/26/13 05:38 PM Re: need help, Kawai K3 or Petrof 125 G1??? [Re: 999988887777]
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It is a very good price. The Petrof verticals are some of the best. There is no comparison in the sound between the Kawai and the Petrof, with the edge going to the 125G1. They are in a totally different class.

At this point, the results of the inspection could be the deciding factor.
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#2039775 - 02/26/13 05:42 PM Re: need help, Kawai K3 or Petrof 125 G1??? [Re: 999988887777]
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It's not a question of the tone. The point you would want a piano technician to verify is the action. That's the complex mechanism that connects your daughter's fingers to the strings that produce the sound. When Petrof pianos do show inconsistency, this is the area in which they are inconsistent.

An inspection included in the sales price is not the same as having an independent professional inspect the piano for you.

The Petrof price is excellent if it checks out. However, the Kawai K3 is more than adequate for a child learning, is not over-priced, and will retain a good part of its purchase cost due to Kawai's excellent reputation and transfeerable warranty.
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#2039778 - 02/26/13 05:44 PM Re: need help, Kawai K3 or Petrof 125 G1??? [Re: 999988887777]
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With Petrofs, there are two different actions which could be in the piano. One is by Renner, and the other by Detoa. Renner is considered the standard of the industry. The Detoa action, requires a very careful regulation, either when new or if purchased used, but they they are a very functional action and would not be a limitation for a student.

That is something to discuss with the technician doing the inspection. I agree with Turandot. Have the inspection done by an independent technician.
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#2039798 - 02/26/13 06:41 PM Re: need help, Kawai K3 or Petrof 125 G1??? [Re: Minnesota Marty]
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Originally Posted By: Minnesota Marty
It is a very good price. The Petrof verticals are some of the best. There is no comparison in the sound between the Kawai and the Petrof, with the edge going to the 125G1. They are in a totally different class.

At this point, the results of the inspection could be the deciding factor.


hi, Marty, is that means Petrof 125 G1 is a higher(or better) class that Kawai K3??

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#2039805 - 02/26/13 06:56 PM Re: need help, Kawai K3 or Petrof 125 G1??? [Re: 999988887777]
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Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying.

That is a very good price, and if the piano checks out, it would be my choice.

Do you have a friend who plays the piano? At least that way, you could get an outside opinion.
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#2039869 - 02/26/13 09:12 PM Re: need help, Kawai K3 or Petrof 125 G1??? [Re: 999988887777]
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numbers--understand i'm biased as i own a petrof upright (the next size up) which was also built in 2005. i auditioned the kawai k3 and k5 before buying the petrof.

turandot is right that, assuming a tech check ok's the petrof (and you should have a tech look at any used piano), either piano would be suitable for initial training.

imo marty is also right that the sound of these pianos could hardly be more different. And i think tone should be a consideration if the petrof checks out.

within the last year there was a thread here about petrof 125 and detoa actions. look it up. i am reasonably sure that at this price there is no renner action in this piano. but that is ok because by 2005 detoa actions were more consistent and performed well for the 125.

don't be afraid of the petrof if it checks out. and it is a very good price.

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#2039936 - 02/27/13 12:56 AM Re: need help, Kawai K3 or Petrof 125 G1??? [Re: gutenberg]
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Originally Posted By: gutenberg
the sound of these pianos could hardly be more different. And i think tone should be a consideration if the petrof checks out.


Gut,

Long time, no read.

I think you and I have chatted about Petrof tone in the past. I'm very hesitant to tell someone that one piano has a better tone than another. People can make up their own minds about that. I did post that IMO the Petrof 125 had more musical potential than the K3, but the kid is six years old and the parent is exasperated with piano shopping. I sense that the parent just wants to put the purchase to rest.

As I think you know, it's not a simple either-or with Detoa and Renner in a Petrof. Many Petrof verticals use some Renner parts and other parts. Thee actions are assembled by Petrof. Renner stickers are often applied to the rail and elsewhere, but that's hardly a gold standard. In my own mind I question whether even a pure Renner action is the gold standard. They vary depending on the brand and model. It's not like Renner designs the piano.

As long as the tone is reasonable, I'd give the action priority over tone in a piano for a six-year-old. So I would be very hesitant to claim that a Petrof vertical is a better piano or better class of piano than a similar Yamaha or Kawai for just that reason. Japanese pianos are user-friendly and technician friendly. That's a big part of their popularity.
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#2039961 - 02/27/13 03:16 AM Re: need help, Kawai K3 or Petrof 125 G1??? [Re: 999988887777]
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Would it be feasible to have some input from your daughter on this? A 6 year old child who can play even at an elementary level may have a preference between these two instruments.
Without wanting to wade into the debate about the "superiority" of European over Japanese pianos, I would say that Petrof and Kawai are just different pianos which give a different sound and playing experience. Both Kawai and Petrof are well respected piano makers.

The Kawai K3 is a new piano with a full, 10 year, transferable warranty.

The Petrof is an 8 year old instrument, but $1,100 cheaper.

The action on the Kawai K3 is Kawai's Millenium III, yet the Petrof may have a Renner action.

Specifications are really less important than how both pianos play and sound in their respective showrooms. If you do not play yourself, get someone to play each one. Listen carefully and that should help you to come to a decision.

Robert.


Edited by Robert 45 (02/27/13 03:25 AM)

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#2040054 - 02/27/13 09:31 AM Re: need help, Kawai K3 or Petrof 125 G1??? [Re: Robert 45]
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Originally Posted By: Robert 45

Without wanting to wade into the debate about the "superiority" of European over Japanese pianos, I would say that Petrof and Kawai are just different pianos which give a different sound and playing experience. Both Kawai and Petrof are well respected piano makers.

The Kawai K3 is a new piano with a full, 10 year, transferable warranty.

The Petrof is an 8 year old instrument, but $1,100 cheaper.

The action on the Kawai K3 is Kawai's Millenium III, yet the Petrof may have a Renner action.

Specifications are really less important than how both pianos play and sound in their respective showrooms. If you do not play yourself, get someone to play each one. Listen carefully and that should help you to come to a decision.

Robert.


Nice summary, Robert, and good advice.

I would add that the actual choices available in a 125 G1 are a Petrof original action fashioned mainly of Detoa parts by Petrof and a Petrof/Renner action fashioned of Renner parts and other parts by Petrof. In my experience, both of those actions show enough variation among samples to warrant close inspection.
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#2040064 - 02/27/13 09:59 AM Re: need help, Kawai K3 or Petrof 125 G1??? [Re: 999988887777]
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yes if the petrof is in exccelent shape and If you like the tone and action more than Kawai it can be a great deal.
meanwhile K3 is always availble.
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#2040075 - 02/27/13 10:23 AM Re: need help, Kawai K3 or Petrof 125 G1??? [Re: 999988887777]
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Hi turandot

I must have left the impression that I think Petrof has the better tone. I didn't mean to. I was reacting to what the op was told that Petrof "quality isn't stable." The op wants to know about the brand and wants a "stable quality and nice tone."

Petrof of course suffered in the 90's from problems with some of its actions. By 2005, actions and quality control were much better so that here we are just dealing with a used piano that needs a tech check.

Otherwise, they're both good pianos with very different personalities. I don't think the op has yet heard either one (though she will soon be hearing one of them every day). And the 6 year old, who will not in any case be laboring under the burden of sticky spinet, may well be motivated to practice by the tone of the piano. So, I would steal a good line of yours and change the meaning---As long as the action is reasonable, I'd give the tone priority over action in a piano for a 6 year old. smile

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#2040112 - 02/27/13 12:01 PM Re: need help, Kawai K3 or Petrof 125 G1??? [Re: Steven Y. A.]
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Originally Posted By: Steven Y. A.
if the Petrof has renner actions then I would say Petrof.
I havent played a petrof piano yet but I generally prefer european tones...


Why on earth are you offering opinions on a piano brand you have never played and obviously know little about in terms of action or tone quality?

To the OP, I'm a fan of the Petrof 125 (never met one I didn't like, though many that could use a little tweaking), but have a healthy respect for the K3.
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#2040150 - 02/27/13 01:15 PM Re: need help, Kawai K3 or Petrof 125 G1??? [Re: terminaldegree]
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I gave up on trying to figure out the answer to that question long ago.

All the same, the OP has gotten a healthy diversity of opinion from people who know the pianos. Sometimes a new member puts up a Petrof inquiry and the pickings are pretty slim.

It's always revealing when someone states
Quote:
I generally prefer European tones
. It kind of sets the "tone" for disregarding it.

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#2040178 - 02/27/13 01:56 PM Re: need help, Kawai K3 or Petrof 125 G1??? [Re: terminaldegree]
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having played around 50 different pianos from most "good brands" for past 3 month for my own piano hunt I have got a general idea of my own generalization.
before I go to a dealer I do check reviews and recordings online to get some "pre-ideas".
Petrof 125 was on my list and close to checking out a used petrof 118, but unfortunately no one carries them in Toronto now. I have read every "petrof" thread in this forum from the past 10 years.

I admit that playing the real piano is very different than just reading "papers" and hearing recordings. But this has been something I am very use to for my long established audiophile hobby. While experiences are completely different - I am usually able to predetermine the conclusion before I check things out.

I am fairly confident for the opinions I gave to op. In fact I think it is subjective enough to let op to make his own decision.

here is a clip of a Piano duet: Petrof P 125 G1, Kawai US-60M
as a starting point

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgxaeQMlH-w
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#2040212 - 02/27/13 02:40 PM Re: need help, Kawai K3 or Petrof 125 G1??? [Re: turandot]
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to be a bit more specific smile
group favorite: A.Forster, Bechstein, Grotrian, Pleyel , NY Steinway (when voiced to euro spec), Bosendorfer, Bluthner
group next to favorite: Schimmel, Estonia, Vogel
group nice to have: Sauter, NY Steinway (common voicing),
group cant complain: Shigeru Kawai, Yamaha U,C. Kawai K, RX, Hoffman & Kuhne (China)
group meh: ED Seiler, Mason Hamlin, Boston


cant wait to play: Fazioli, Hamburg Steinway, Steingraber, Petrof



Edited by Steven Y. A. (02/27/13 02:41 PM)
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#2040246 - 02/27/13 03:28 PM Re: need help, Kawai K3 or Petrof 125 G1??? [Re: Steven Y. A.]
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Originally Posted By: Steven Y. A.
having played around 50 different pianos from most "good brands" for past 3 month for my own piano hunt I have got a general idea of my own generalization.
before I go to a dealer I do check reviews and recordings online to get some "pre-ideas".
Petrof 125 was on my list and close to checking out a used petrof 118, but unfortunately no one carries them in Toronto now. I have read every "petrof" thread in this forum from the past 10 years.

I admit that playing the real piano is very different than just reading "papers" and hearing recordings. But this has been something I am very use to for my long established audiophile hobby. While experiences are completely different - I am usually able to predetermine the conclusion before I check things out.

I am fairly confident for the opinions I gave to op. In fact I think it is subjective enough to let op to make his own decision.

here is a clip of a Piano duet: Petrof P 125 G1, Kawai US-60M
as a starting point

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgxaeQMlH-w


can I consider that you think Petrof is the best choice??

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#2040273 - 02/27/13 04:11 PM Re: need help, Kawai K3 or Petrof 125 G1??? [Re: 999988887777]
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First off, I have not played a petrof yet. But I like european tones in general AND dislike the tone of K3. So before even hearing the Petrof 125 its safe for me to say I am very likely to prefer Petrof tones over K3.

Action wise its the opposite.
Petrof employs two different actions: detoa and renner. Detoa action before 90s somehow has a bad reputation: they are more difficult to regulate and does not last very long (some say less than 20 years)
hows their action in 2005? i cannot comment. somesay better.

meanwhile K3 has the reputated Kawai Millennium III Action - one may prefer it or not, but they will not bring you trouble.

full renner action has arguably the best reputation in the industry. The ones with full renner actions I have played are amazing (thought all different due to different design):schimmel konzert, A.Forster, Steinway K52 and Pleyel uprights. The upper Petrof (starts from 131) has full Renner action and some lower Petrof has renner as well.


In short, I would have the desire to own the Petrof but afraid of their action at the same time. So I would hire a good technician to exam the piano and make sure they are good for at least the next 15 years.

Still tones are very objective - maybe ull find out you like the Kawai better.
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#2040290 - 02/27/13 04:44 PM Re: need help, Kawai K3 or Petrof 125 G1??? [Re: 999988887777]
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Originally Posted By: 999988887777

can I consider that you think Petrof is the best choice??


Numbers

It's unfair to put that question to Steven. He's already stated a couple of times that he hasn't played any Petrof. Actually, it's sily to put that point-blank choice question to anyone here. You seem to want someone else to make your decision, but no one here has played that Petrof, listened to that Petrof, or in any way evaluated that Petrof. Used pianos are sold all the time with the claim that they were lightly used and are in top-notch condition. That doesn't mean that the claims are true. Such claims should be verified. It's not specific to Petrofs. It's good practice regardless of brand.

Really, this decision belongs to you. It's your daughter, your money, and your peace of mind. If the two-hour drive and the thought of hiring an independent tech for an inspection is more than you want to take on, just buy the new K3. It's a known commodity. Samples don't vary much. The action is not an issue. The price is in no way unfair. It will be a relatively easy sell if and when.....

If you are really curious to know if the Petrof is the better choice for you and your daughter, you should make the drive and pay for the inspection. The price is very attractive if and only if the piano lives up to the claims made. If it does live up to its billing, it's a sweet instrument that will be more than worth the $4200.
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#2040320 - 02/27/13 05:37 PM Re: need help, Kawai K3 or Petrof 125 G1??? [Re: 999988887777]
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By "tweaking" I assume that you mean regulation and voicing. How often is impossible to say definitively, because that depends on the condition of the piano, how much it is played and how well it is housed, with particular regard to humidity and temperature levels.
A minimum requirement of keeping any piano in good playing condition is to have it tuned twice a year. Fastidious owners will have their piano tuned more frequently.
Regular tuning is the basic essential in piano care. Regular tuning will also give the piano a general check up and pick up potential or developing problems.

Tweaking as in regulation and voicing when carried out by an excellent technician should bring out the best in an instrument. For a moderately played, well maintained, domestic piano, that could be about very 5 years.

Robert.

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#2040321 - 02/27/13 05:37 PM Re: need help, Kawai K3 or Petrof 125 G1??? [Re: 999988887777]
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thanks everyone for giving me so much help,very appreciate!
now I have a much clear picture of Petrof, and I almost decide which one I need to buy.
thanks again!

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#2040348 - 02/27/13 06:56 PM Re: need help, Kawai K3 or Petrof 125 G1??? [Re: Robert 45]
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Originally Posted By: Robert 45
By "tweaking" I assume that you mean regulation and voicing.


Robert,

I don't know who mentioned "tweaking", but in the specific instance of Petrof action problems, it's often remediation of imprecise factory work. for example key weighting. It can be expensive. OTOH, it's an inconsistent inconsistency. As some here have mentioned, consistency improved a lot (at least under GIC distribution into the US).

I bought two new Petrof pianos in 2008, on for me, one on behalf of a relative. They've both been satisfactory. Tuning stability has been quite good too. But in poking around the market, I did run across others that I could not consider.
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#2040693 - 02/28/13 10:33 AM Re: need help, Kawai K3 or Petrof 125 G1??? [Re: 999988887777]
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I have a 1999 Petrof 125 upright, and I love it. Here's a story to tell you how reliable I've found it:

I bought it in late 2010, used, from an owner who had done no regulation or voicing of it and had left it sitting, largely unplayed, literally on top of a heating vent, in a back porch-like room since the day it was bought. She had >never< had it tuned, voiced or regulated, since it had been bought. Despite, this and despite the piano having been manufactured at the tail end of what some critics (Fine) have suggested was an era of slightly inconsistent quality, I've had very good luck with it.

When I first bought it, it was, amazingly, quite playable (albeit, very sour in tuning), in other words, though out of tune, it >felt< like a good piano even though no service had been done to it at all. After some experimentation, I determined that there was a single key that did not return to position, after being played, as quickly as all the others. It was a modest difference. The piano tech that I had work on it, softened up the bushings on a single small rod, made a few tweaks to the regulation (mostly adjusting the touch weight) and all was well. The "weighting" of the keys were still fairly consistent after all that time. The hammers seemed to be in good shape so there was no voicing needed.

I've had it tuned once since then. It's been about 10 months since that time, and I'm just starting to notice the tuning being a bit off (I'm kind of sensitive to this.) This is consistent with most good pianos in a stable environment. I do not have a Damp Chaser or other such device.

That the piano didn't require a major overhaul after having sat, largely unused, in a seasonally dry then humid environment, is a testament to its hardiness.

This piano has a Renner action (I've seen mention of "Full Renner" and just plain "Renner" and I still have yet to figure out what the difference is, if, indeed, there is one) as evidenced from the stamp on it.

The sound of the piano is on the bright side. When I first started playing it, it was a bit shy of being too bright (but it didn't cross that line.) Indeed, in the upper registers it sounded to me uncannily like a decent, bright, grand piano. (It was fun to play the opening bars of the Tchaikosky concerto, which sounded appropriate.) After a few years of heavy practice on it, it has mellowed a tiny bit as the hammers have been broken in (though it is still pleasantly bright).

Overall it has a very singing quality, and its sound fills a room in a good way. It is very easy to control dynamics. Pianissimo sounds pianissmo, forte sounds forte. Sf notes sing clear and strong. The low end is strong and "thrumming" (i.e., you feel the sound), but not "7' grand piano" strong. Of the dozen or so pianos I tried out when shopping around for used pianos, this one was by far the best sounding, best working, instrument I played and I played a couple of Kawais and a Mason-Hamlin (albeit, an old M-H.)

In general, I love the way it sounds.

Coming off of an Acrosonic Spinet with a very light action as my personal practice piano, I found the touch weight to be a bit heavy (~52 grams, with slightly heavy "inertia" to overcome to get the key in motion, but nothing out of the ordinary), but I rapidly got used to this. This was an issue with me, not the piano.

I love the looks of the piano. I have the red-brown, mahogany-like 111 finish, with natural wood.

The "practice" pedal is very useful, and works quite well.

My only complaints are in the positioning of the sheet music "ledge", which I occasionally rap my knuckles on if I play exuberantly, and the fact that the keyboard lid has no place or "bar" to rest on when I remove the front panel to expose the action. Also, the "soft pedal" doesn't really do much. I have learned that this issue is endemic to uprights, and is not really a Petrof problem.

Oh, that and life does not give me enough time to practice. :-)


Edited by Brad Hoehne (02/28/13 03:27 PM)
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1999 Petrof 125-111 (upright)
Casio Privia PX-330

Currently working on:
Rach. Prelude Op 32 #12
Mozart Piano Sonata #17, K570
Villa-Lobos, Bachianas Brasileiras #4
Playing by ear and "filling out" pop tunes

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#2040709 - 02/28/13 10:57 AM Re: need help, Kawai K3 or Petrof 125 G1??? [Re: 999988887777]
Brad Hoehne Offline
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Registered: 04/22/11
Posts: 365
Loc: Ohio
One thing I've noticed about Kawais (and some other uprights) is that they tend to sound like the tones are coming "from inside a box", or as if the piano were draped in a very heavy cloth. Anyone else notice this?
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1999 Petrof 125-111 (upright)
Casio Privia PX-330

Currently working on:
Rach. Prelude Op 32 #12
Mozart Piano Sonata #17, K570
Villa-Lobos, Bachianas Brasileiras #4
Playing by ear and "filling out" pop tunes

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#2040736 - 02/28/13 11:55 AM Re: need help, Kawai K3 or Petrof 125 G1??? [Re: Brad Hoehne]
RX2Bunny Offline
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Registered: 07/22/12
Posts: 116
Loc: Chicago
that's exactly how I felt about Kawai for a long time. I didn't like Kawai in the past.. hated the sound (like you said it's like draped in a very heavy cloth) and the touch (super sluggish to me). and I'm referring to the used Kawai that's from 5-10 years before.

HOWEVER, I felt the newer ones with MIII actions are totally and completely different. It's like a day and night experience to me. the keys are so balanced, the tone projection is awesome, and the notes sustained in the air long. the action is very good and I love the key weight (My previous first choice was U1 but after i played Kawai, i felt Yamaha's keys were too light for me). I also played a Petrof 125 during my search, and I was very disappointed at it. not sure if it's a dealer's thing (no/min prep), that Petrof was exactly like how you describe the Kawai. the price of that petrof was very good and I really wanted to like it, but the sound was so draped in a very heavy cloth.. no projection.. and.. just not enjoyable.

having all that said, it's all personal preference and judgement and also if the dealer has done a good job on the piano. but I just want to give my 2 cents to you on the newer kawai.


Edited by RileyBunny (02/28/13 11:57 AM)

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