boring performance, man you do nothing but promote yourself everywhere.

boring performance, man you do nothing but promote yourself everywhere.

boring performance, man you do nothing but promote yourself everywhere.

I mostly play classical but for jazz I only like solo playing. I never have been able to understand the appeal of the bass or drums playing with the piano.

I once asked a stride pianist(whose name I can't remember but he has been playing at an atrium on East 53rd street for many years)about the difference between solo and trio playing. He said something like they're just completely different.

The best way to describe it is, think of what it is like to play with a classical ensemble, and expand that idea into all the things you do in terms of improvisation. If you have a really good bassist and drummer, they can follow you wherever you go and vice versa. You can reharmonize the song as you go and they can follow you, you can play different polyrhythm and they can follow you.. or they might not follow you and play a completely different polyrhythm under you while you improvise, but still playing together in one flow. You might start in You can start playing dotted quarter notes, triple grouped in 4(3/4), or groupings of 5 16ths notes(quasi 5/4 I call it), rhythmically you can go anywhere.

I've see groups where they will play a tune, but go completely free in the middle. It sounds like free jazz but if you pay attention they are actually keeping the form in their head the entire time. They can go back to playing the tune any time they wanted and they would be in the exact same place in the form. IMO you really don't get this kind of musical communication in classical music or solo jazz improv.

When I saw PL's observation I was at a loss for words. You're doing a better job then I can etc. trying to verbalize. It's almost like Louis Armstong said when someone asked him what jazz was..."If you gotta ask, you'll never know" ...or something to that effect.

How can you verbalize something that deep and expansive that is at the very core of jazz performance ? The interplay and spontaneity between the trio and/or backing up a horn player or singer. It's what makes jazz jazz. Solo playing is great, without a doubt the most challenging of all jazz contexts to perform in. However playing in a group, a whole different set of skills are required. The level of music created in such classic trios as Oscar Peterson, Bill Evans, Keith Jarrett, Herbie Hancock, McCoy Tyner, Chick Corea...just to name a few of the most popular ones--well if you can't hear it and gotta ask well...I'll leave it to someone else to type out an explanation.

Definitely not cool zapper/offnote/delirium. Your dislike of jazz and jealousy of people that play it well have long been in evidence from your offhand and immature posts here and on the KC forum.

Excellent job as always Dave.

Not sure if the "your dislike of jazz" comment was directed at me,

Definitely not cool zapper/offnote/delirium. Your dislike of jazz and jealousy of people that play it well have long been in evidence from your offhand and immature posts here and on the KC forum.

Not sure if the "your dislike of jazz" comment was directed at me, but if so, it's totally off base and complete nonsense.

Definitely not cool [ , ]zapper [ , ]/offnote/delirium.

I once asked a stride pianist(whose name I can't remember but he has been playing at an atrium on East 53rd street for many years) . . .

I've never played in a piano trio - just solo and larger (mostly rock) ensembles. I've always thought that what would make trio playing especially different was the left hand. In solo playing, the left hand plays both bottom and middle - think of stride playing - both the "oom" and the "pah" (as in ommpah), if you will. In larger ensembles, the left hand is more often serving as an extension of the right (or else in the way). In a trio, the left hand is playing the middle, but not the bottom - which is handled by the bass. Playing the middle off the bass player instead of its own little finger. Just an entirely different sort of coordination. I'd love to try it, but I'd expect it would take some getting used to.

That would be THE Atrium, by the way.

Only if you know there is one atrium on that street. Since I don't know that my statement is correct.(Not that it's really worth even bringing up to begin with).

You don't have to like what someone is doing, but at least show some respect man. You are just being rude and you really aren't adding anything meaningful to this conversation.

Well, continuing the nit-picking, those of us who follow the jazz scene are familiar with the series "Jazz at THE Atrium - a renowned venue near the corner of Lex and 53rd. Were you referring to some other atrium on that street?

Rude? I'll tell you what's being rude. Rude is telling I like something while I really don't and being rude is also spamming every forum with his performances to get more students for his classes in NYC and sell more of his music books. There is a special section on the forums to post someone's music.