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#2042452 - 03/03/13 05:35 PM VERY newbie question #2: How do I play this note?
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One more question: What about this 1 next to the flat, what does that mean?

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#2042455 - 03/03/13 05:39 PM Re: VERY newbie question #2: How do I play this note? [Re: adak]
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Ah, the comment moved.

Play BOTH notes with your thumb.
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#2042457 - 03/03/13 05:43 PM Re: VERY newbie question #2: How do I play this note? [Re: adak]
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Both notes with my right thumb? Cause there is a gap between A flat and B.

Or do I play A flat with my left thumb and B with my right? Will the left hand still be able to play the bottom chord?
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#2042459 - 03/03/13 05:46 PM Re: VERY newbie question #2: How do I play this note? [Re: adak]
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Play the A flat and B flat simultaneously with your right thumb.
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#2042460 - 03/03/13 05:47 PM Re: VERY newbie question #2: How do I play this note? [Re: adak]
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But there is no flat sign next to the B.
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#2042468 - 03/03/13 06:02 PM Re: VERY newbie question #2: How do I play this note? [Re: adak]
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The flat is in the key signature.
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#2042471 - 03/03/13 06:06 PM Re: VERY newbie question #2: How do I play this note? [Re: Whizbang]
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You are right. How did you know it would be in the key signature? It could have easily have not been there.
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#2042476 - 03/03/13 06:16 PM Re: VERY newbie question #2: How do I play this note? [Re: adak]
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Two reasons.

First, the easy explanation is that this question appeared as a response to your original thread (in my browser at least) and the key signature was clearly marked in your first question, so I assumed the second question pertained to the same piece.

Second, the more difficult explanation is that the measure just "looks" like it should be in the key of Bb. The left hand figure is homed on B but is also playing an F. If both are naturals then that's a very discordant sound called a tritone. But F is the fifth note of a Bb major scale. A perfect fifth is a very consonant sound so the measure just looks like it should be in Bb.
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#2042486 - 03/03/13 06:33 PM Re: VERY newbie question #2: How do I play this note? [Re: adak]
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Third reason...it would be very difficult to play with the thumb if it was Ab and B natural.
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#2042572 - 03/03/13 09:23 PM Re: VERY newbie question #2: How do I play this note? [Re: rocket88]
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Originally Posted By: rocket88
Third reason...it would be very difficult to play with the thumb if it was Ab and B natural.


One might even say .... impossible.
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#2042574 - 03/03/13 09:32 PM Re: VERY newbie question #2: How do I play this note? [Re: adak]
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Seeing how there are no notes following the right hand side, why couldn't both notes be played with fingers 2 and 3, it would make more sense.
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#2042577 - 03/03/13 09:36 PM Re: VERY newbie question #2: How do I play this note? [Re: adak]
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Originally Posted By: adak
Seeing how there are no notes following the right hand side, why couldn't both notes be played with fingers 2 and 3, it would make more sense that way.
Because you've just played the D with 2 which would make an awkward break while you jumped down to the A flat.
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#2042652 - 03/04/13 01:46 AM Re: VERY newbie question #2: How do I play this note? [Re: adak]
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This looks like Frankie and Johnnie from Alfred's Adult Course book 2. There is a footnote '[1' explaining that you need to use the thumb for both notes.

If you're using the Alfred's books, they tell all you need to play their songs. If you didn't get the complete course but just the song book, I think you can buy the corresponding theory book.
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#2042777 - 03/04/13 10:12 AM Re: VERY newbie question #2: How do I play this note? [Re: adak]
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Originally Posted By: adak
Seeing how there are no notes following the right hand side, why couldn't both notes be played with fingers 2 and 3, it would make more sense.


Adak, I'm with you. You certainly could jump off the prior note to play this with fingers 2 and 3. Or you could jump off the prior note and play this with your thumb and finger 2. That might be my suggestion.

Straddling a couple of notes with one's thumb is an advanced
concept that serious pianists use, but at the beginner levels of playing it can just seem weird and clumsy, and I'm not the only piano teacher who would say to avoid it if you wish.

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#2042787 - 03/04/13 10:29 AM Re: VERY newbie question #2: How do I play this note? [Re: adak]
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There is something else that you can do. Do not take fingering as an absolute. Take it as a means for exploring how your hand works on the keys, because later you should be making such decisions on your own. Each person's hands are different, and the idea is to get the smoothest, easiest way of playing a passage. Think of playing as a dance, with efficient footwork and body movement (your fingers are the feet, your hand is the body that moves around). What if you tried different fingering than what is in your book? Does it feel more clumsy and awkward? Does that help you understand the choices that the editors made? Experiment and learn. And if the book does have footnotes, these are important and will bring you much further.

While you're at it, take a moment to explore your hands and the keys. You will see that the black keys are higher and further back. Your hands, meanwhile, have two outer fingers (thumb = finger here) which are shorter but also have a greater range of motion. If you put your three long middle fingers on the three black keys, you'll find that the outer short ones drape nicely down to the white ones. Feel free to explore as you go along, just for the fun of it.


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#2042846 - 03/04/13 01:12 PM Re: VERY newbie question #2: How do I play this note? [Re: keystring]
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Originally Posted By: keystring
Do not take fingering as an absolute. Take it as a means for exploring how your hand works on the keys, because later you should be making such decisions on your own.

....Experiment and learn.


Keystring's advice is wonderful! Your fingering choices are yours. Hopefully they will reflect both comfort and musicality.

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#2042873 - 03/04/13 02:00 PM Re: VERY newbie question #2: How do I play this note? [Re: adak]
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Yes,
I concur that a player should feel free to adjust the fingering to find something that works better with their hand. However, I would strongly recommend that before one makes a change, they should make an effort to understand why the composer (or annotator) chose that particular fingering. For example, beginners will sometimes forget that a particular note is sharp or flat, and then the fingering might seem crazy to them because they're playing the wrong notes. Or, a particular fingering might seem awkward if played slowly but turns out to be very fluid when played at tempo. Understanding why others choose a particular fingering will help you learn how to choose your own best fingering (especially when fingering isn't indicated). I also suggest penciling in any changes you make rather than trying to remember them.

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