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#2047921 - 03/13/13 10:54 PM Digital Piano close to the capabilities of a real piano.
Amos Offline
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Can someone list out DP's with the capabilities of a real piano? In terms of Tone, Touch and Built.

Please this is crucial!
Thank you folks.

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#2047949 - 03/13/13 11:46 PM Re: Digital Piano close to the capabilities of a real piano. [Re: Amos]
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#2047961 - 03/14/13 12:00 AM Re: Digital Piano close to the capabilities of a real piano. [Re: Amos]
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Originally Posted By: Amos
Can someone list out DP's with the capabilities of a real piano? In terms of Tone, Touch and Built.

Please this is crucial!
Thank you folks.

By all accounts, Yamaha AvantGrand comes closest to a real piano.

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#2047967 - 03/14/13 12:25 AM Re: Digital Piano close to the capabilities of a real piano. [Re: Amos]
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Yamaha:
AvantGrands
NU1
CLP/CVP Series

Roland:
V-Piano/Grand
FP-7F
RD-700NX
HP Series

Kawai:
CA Series
CS Series
MP-10/6

All of the DPs above fulfill your needs.
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#2047968 - 03/14/13 12:34 AM Re: Digital Piano close to the capabilities of a real piano. [Re: Amos]
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We abuse this deceased equine all too often, but what he said ^.

Good luck in your search!


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#2048005 - 03/14/13 02:03 AM Re: Digital Piano close to the capabilities of a real piano. [Re: Amos]
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I tuned a Yamaha DC6X today, which is a real piano with the capabilities of a digital piano.
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#2048026 - 03/14/13 03:28 AM Re: Digital Piano close to the capabilities of a real piano. [Re: BDB]
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Originally Posted By: BDB
I tuned a Yamaha DC6X today, which is a real piano with the capabilities of a digital piano.


Not to mention the capabilities of a friggin' pianola too!

If I had an extra forty-thousand euros laying around the house I think I might be tempted to get one of these beauties. The fact that Yamaha keeps building and improving and supporting these very cool products makes me very endeared to the company.

Pity about that Yamaha sound though....

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#2048036 - 03/14/13 04:31 AM Re: Digital Piano close to the capabilities of a real piano. [Re: Amos]
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It is possible to get a real nice sound out of Yamahas. We had a DC7 that was gorgeous, but unfortunately it was damaged in moving. That was the day I learned that, "Are we glad to see you!" is not what you want to hear when you show up to tune for a show. The CFIIIses have been nice. I am waiting for our CFX.

As long as we have the DC6X, I am hoping that we could have some classes on its capabilities. It has MIDI in and out, recording and playback, and a silent feature, none of which I know how to use, but I can imagine some interesting possibilities, and I am not really into electronic music.
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#2048052 - 03/14/13 05:59 AM Re: Digital Piano close to the capabilities of a real piano. [Re: BDB]
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"We had a DC7 that was gorgeous, but unfortunately it was damaged in moving."

Did it travel by air? By DC7? They had their drawbacks . . .
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#2048060 - 03/14/13 06:47 AM Re: Digital Piano close to the capabilities of a real piano. [Re: Amos]
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Originally Posted By: Amos
Can someone list out DP's with the capabilities of a real piano? In terms of Tone, Touch and Built.

Please this is crucial!
Thank you folks.


You could get a lot of people hot under the collar with this question grin .

But I'll try very hard to be unbiased wink , and just point you in some general directions.
Assuming money is no object, have a look at the Roland V-Piano Grand and the Yamaha AvantGrand N3.

They were designed with different priorities. The Roland V-P Grand (and its stage version the V-Piano) is the only modeled digital piano to date, and it's designed to simulate all the tonal and touch responses of a real grand piano. It also gives the user the ability to customize several parameters to his liking, using any of 30 factory presets (all piano sounds - nothing else), including decay time (=sustain), damping time, hammer hardness, tone color, and soundboard, string, cross-resonances, tuning of individual 'strings', even pedal noise. Most of those parameters are adjustable from -100 to +100, so there's a huge range to fine-tune to the sound and response you want.

The AvantGrand, on the other hand, has its raison-d'ĂȘtre a grand piano action, which is a modified version of that found in a Yamaha grand (not concert grand, though the sounds are sampled from the CF-IIIS, now superseded by the CFX - the latter's sounds can be found on the NU1, which has the same philosophy but using an upright action).

Both have marvellous speaker systems designed to simulate the sounds emanating from a baby grand.

There are several videos of the V-P Grand being played and recorded in a concert hall setting (like for an acoustic grand in a classical concert), like this one: http://youtu.be/w0-dC7eT_Oo
For the AG: http://youtu.be/dpHO4lZtmqo
(I borrowed them from PianoZac's thread about V-P Grand v AG, which you might want to have a look at, if you enjoy fisticuffs..... grin)


Edited by bennevis (03/14/13 09:24 AM)
Edit Reason: fixed AG link
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#2048062 - 03/14/13 07:04 AM Re: Digital Piano close to the capabilities of a real piano. [Re: bennevis]
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@Bennevis, did you mean http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKktyeuIs1U for the AG? Your link tells "video not available".

IMHO the V-P Grand sounds way better and richer than the AG. Shame Roland doesn't use real wooden keyboards.

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#2048079 - 03/14/13 08:17 AM Re: Digital Piano close to the capabilities of a real piano. [Re: Amos]
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Yamaha has some hybrid pianos with real piano actions built in. (for the cost of a comparable acoustic instrument.)***

Kawai's recent wooden keys actions in their otherwise digital pianos are very real and good actions too, but without the mechanical ballast from the acoustics they cost much less.

***: A good acoustic has not to be new (but in a good state), 50 Ys. are here the best age of a nice Lady.

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#2048093 - 03/14/13 08:51 AM Re: Digital Piano close to the capabilities of a real piano. [Re: CarloPiano]
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Originally Posted By: CarloPiano
@Bennevis, did you mean http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKktyeuIs1U for the AG? Your link tells "video not available".

IMHO the V-P Grand sounds way better and richer than the AG. Shame Roland doesn't use real wooden keyboards.


Sorry - fixed that link now: it's probably a better comparison with the V-P Grand video than the Katsaris one, because it's been recorded in what looks like a hall.

I've played the V-Piano Grand in a real (classical) concert hall, and (after a little judicious tweaking of its sustain and tone colour parameters) its resemblance to a real concert grand in its sound and response to touch and articulation and dynamics was quite uncanny. It really did feel like there was nothing one couldn't do on it that one could on a 9ft grand.

Yamaha never promoted their AGs in a series of classical concerts around the world like Roland did with the V-P Grand (unmiked and unamplified just like in a normal piano recital), so I have no direct comparison with the N3 in this setting.
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#2048099 - 03/14/13 09:01 AM Re: Digital Piano close to the capabilities of a real piano. [Re: Amos]
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#2048105 - 03/14/13 09:26 AM Re: Digital Piano close to the capabilities of a real piano. [Re: CarloPiano]
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Originally Posted By: CarloPiano
@Bennevis, did you mean http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKktyeuIs1U for the AG? Your link tells "video not available".



Apologies, it was my mistake when transferring PianoZac's link to this thread - fixed the AvantGrand YouTube video link now.
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#2048106 - 03/14/13 09:28 AM Re: Digital Piano close to the capabilities of a real piano. [Re: Koko]
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Ad nauseam

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_nauseam

My take:

V - less filling
AG - tastes great
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#2048126 - 03/14/13 10:22 AM Re: Digital Piano close to the capabilities of a real piano. [Re: Amos]
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I can't believe anyone responded to this thread. The original question makes no sense. Unless perhaps if you interpret "close" in the subject to mean "closest," which I do not.

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#2048157 - 03/14/13 11:29 AM Re: Digital Piano close to the capabilities of a real piano. [Re: Amos]
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I wish you could get an AvantGrand N3 with VI Labs True Keys preinstalled.

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#2048209 - 03/14/13 01:33 PM Re: Digital Piano close to the capabilities of a real piano. [Re: gvfarns]
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Originally Posted By: gvfarns
I can't believe anyone responded to this thread. The original question makes no sense. Unless perhaps if you interpret "close" in the subject to mean "closest," which I do not.

Have you played the AvantGrand?

http://techland.time.com/2013/01/23/mostly-piano-not-pretender-yamahas-avantgrand-n2-a-year-later/

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#2048223 - 03/14/13 02:04 PM Re: Digital Piano close to the capabilities of a real piano. [Re: Amos]
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I agree that the AG is a nice machine (I've never played an N3 but I've played several N2's). But the OP popped in and said "Can someone list out DP's with the capabilities of a real piano? In terms of Tone, Touch and Built." And, I might add, never checked back.

All DP's we talk about here have capabilities of a real piano. That's the answer. None of them have the exact tone, touch, or build of an acoustic. That's the other part of the answer. Further, the OP put essentially zero effort into the thread and hasn't been back since, which makes it seem like it deserves even less effort in answering.

The OP didn't ask "Which DP sounds the most like an acoustic?" or "Which DP has the best touch?" Those are the two questions people are answering.

If you guys want to make an interesting thread out of this, I'm happy to follow it. I'm just surprised anyone bothered, because in my opinion the OP doesn't deserve it.


Edited by gvfarns (03/14/13 02:07 PM)

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#2048231 - 03/14/13 02:12 PM Re: Digital Piano close to the capabilities of a real piano. [Re: gvfarns]
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Yes, to some extent, the answer to his question can simply be summed up as either "all of them" or "none of them." But the one that comes closest is, by most accounts, the AG.

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#2048251 - 03/14/13 02:58 PM Re: Digital Piano close to the capabilities of a real piano. [Re: gvfarns]
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Originally Posted By: gvfarns
I can't believe anyone responded to this thread. The original question makes no sense. Unless perhaps if you interpret "close" in the subject to mean "closest," which I do not.

+1. It's either a dumb or a naive question. PianoZac gave a reasonable starter, followed by a few more useful contributions with AG's and the V. Let's wait now until the OP has played some of the suggestions for himself, and get out of these useless subjective and meaningless debates.

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#2048309 - 03/14/13 04:51 PM Re: Digital Piano close to the capabilities of a real piano. [Re: Amos]
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Yes - Piano Zac gave a perfectly fitting and useful answer. Amos, the OP, could say at some point if he's found a DP he likes out of those suggested.
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#2048319 - 03/14/13 05:12 PM Re: Digital Piano close to the capabilities of a real piano. [Re: Amos]
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Don't you think you're being a bit harsh? A naive question it may have been, but if someone is naive they it's better to try and educate them rather than give them a hard time.

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#2048331 - 03/14/13 05:31 PM Re: Digital Piano close to the capabilities of a real piano. [Re: Amos]
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Well, I don't think a naive question is a bad thing at all, and an answer has been more than adequately provided to the question as asked. Nothing harsh there, but in retrospect "welcome to the forums Amos".

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#2048341 - 03/14/13 05:45 PM Re: Digital Piano close to the capabilities of a real piano. [Re: Amos]
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It is interesting that it took over 3 years after registering on PW for Amos to make his first post...

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#2048356 - 03/14/13 06:16 PM Re: Digital Piano close to the capabilities of a real piano. [Re: Amos]
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Well, the best things come to those who wait. wink

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#2048390 - 03/14/13 07:53 PM Re: Digital Piano close to the capabilities of a real piano. [Re: Kawai James]
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Well, the best things come to those who wait. wink

Yeah, some rumors about possible Roland FP-8F? grin

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#2048464 - 03/14/13 11:40 PM Re: Digital Piano close to the capabilities of a real piano. [Re: spanishbuddha]
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It was a stupid question for somebody who has been following the forum at all ...let alone lurking for three years. I'm sick of people asking dumb questions or worse making idiotic statements (a certain newbie here comes to mind ...99% of his posts are either stupid questions or idiotic statements) .... if these fools read a bit first they wouldn't have to ask such obvious things.
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#2048512 - 03/15/13 02:08 AM Re: Digital Piano close to the capabilities of a real piano. [Re: Amos]
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I'm sure you could find away of not letting it incense you so.

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