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#2048064 - 03/14/13 07:15 AM Roland Integra 7 Supernatural Module
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A few months ago Roland launched the new Integra 7 Module. It has Supernatural technology, not only for pianos or e-pianos but also on brass instruments, guitars, etc. It has bells and whistles... on steroids. 6000 builtin sounds (!!!), 16 part MIDI.... I think it's not intended for solo piano. Its price is around 1400 eur.

http://www.rolandconnect.com/product_2012-09.php?p=integra-7

What if Roland made a Supernatural piano dedicated module, not bells and whistles at all, only pianos or a few keyboard instruments as much, and sell it by a reasonable price (let's say 400 euros)? Would it be interesting?

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#2048078 - 03/14/13 08:16 AM Re: Roland Integra 7 Supernatural Module [Re: CarloPiano]
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I think it would be interesting to the extent that there are no moderately priced piano modules at all. Though honestly, I'm not the biggest fan of the SN pianos. That's subjective, as always. But I prefer assorted Nord, Yamaha, and Kawai piano sounds.

BTW, that Integra also has the piano sounds from the SRX-02 and SRX-11 cards, which some people have liked as well.

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#2048091 - 03/14/13 08:50 AM Re: Roland Integra 7 Supernatural Module [Re: CarloPiano]
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I actually wonder how long the Integra-7 will be available at all. Seems to target a niche market too much. If this 'module' initiative quietly dies a slow death , I think more modules - certainly specialized ones , like piano-only - will be very unlikely.

Perhaps the RD-64 is the closest you'll get - a set of extra 64 keys included with the module ;-)

edit: it looks as if all the electronics (sound module / controls) are on the left, the rest consisting only of the keybed. So with a chainsaw, some boldness and a little luck you could create your own module with controller surface.


Edited by JFP (03/14/13 08:55 AM)

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#2048107 - 03/14/13 09:29 AM Re: Roland Integra 7 Supernatural Module [Re: JFP]
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Originally Posted By: JFP
I actually wonder how long the Integra-7 will be available at all. Seems to target a niche market too much.

I don't see it as a niche market... a piano module would be more of a niche. At any rate, they have been hard to get. Sweetwater, zzounds, Musician's Friends are all waiting for stock, as has often been the case. The implication is that they are selling well above Roland's projections. At least here in the U.S.

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#2048123 - 03/14/13 10:15 AM Re: Roland Integra 7 Supernatural Module [Re: CarloPiano]
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I just bought an Integra 7. My goal is to get a A-88 as well. I'm just not that thrilled with it's piano or electric piano sound. However it is incredible.

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#2048217 - 03/14/13 01:59 PM Re: Roland Integra 7 Supernatural Module [Re: emenelton]
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Originally Posted By: emenelton
I just bought an Integra 7. My goal is to get a A-88 as well. I'm just not that thrilled with it's piano or electric piano sound. However it is incredible.

I would look into mating the Integra-7 with the forthcoming Casio PX-5S. Compared to the A88, from what I can tell so far, I expect it will be a more flexible controller, with a better feeling action, and it will weigh less, and probably give you better EP sounds.

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#2048261 - 03/14/13 03:11 PM Re: Roland Integra 7 Supernatural Module [Re: CarloPiano]
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Mr. Scott,

I was thinking the same thing.

:-)

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#2048313 - 03/14/13 05:03 PM Re: Roland Integra 7 Supernatural Module [Re: CarloPiano]
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Integra 7 + VPC1 might be an interesting combination. wink

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#2048326 - 03/14/13 05:20 PM Re: Roland Integra 7 Supernatural Module [Re: CarloPiano]
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Then Kawai schold make a touch curve for the Roland. Wonder of that Will happen ;-)

VPC / Integra has been on my list a while, but some reported the SN AP was not so impressing on the Integra. Which I dont understand, cause in my understanding its the same as on the other high end SN Piano's (?!).

Also wanted an extra 61 controller, be it midi only - or with sound. Krome/ Kronos perhaps, or software only + 61 midi board. Haven't decided yet. If the verdict on the Integra is that the pianos are superb after all, it's back on my list. Still like the idea of switch on and play...


Edited by JFP (03/14/13 05:20 PM)

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#2048420 - 03/14/13 09:24 PM Re: Roland Integra 7 Supernatural Module [Re: CarloPiano]
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I used the Integra 7 in rehearsal tonight. The dyno tine was wonderful. So I have change my opinion about the electric pianos. I didn't get a chance to play the acoustic patch though.

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#2048436 - 03/14/13 09:56 PM Re: Roland Integra 7 Supernatural Module [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Integra 7 + VPC1 might be an interesting combination. wink

James
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+1! This is exactly the direction I would be going despite the high costs involved (close to $4,000 with the VPC1 + Integra 7, not including a decent stand and speaker setup, which is rather steep considering that I could buy a CA95 for the same money) if I didn't already own a FP-7F. But if Kawai decides to market a portable slab DP with the GF action (MP11?), I'd definitely sell the FP-7F and buy the Kawai and marry it to the Integra 7, which to me would be the ideal combination even though I like the PHA-III action very much.

Cheers,

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#2048461 - 03/14/13 11:34 PM Re: Roland Integra 7 Supernatural Module [Re: JFP]
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Originally Posted By: JFP
I actually wonder how long the Integra-7 will be available at all. Seems to target a niche market too much. If this 'module' initiative quietly dies a slow death , I think more modules - certainly specialized ones , like piano-only - will be very unlikely.



Selling like hotcakes ..... It's Rolands biggest selling product currently in its line up. They can't make enough to keep up with demand.


Edited by Dr Popper (03/14/13 11:36 PM)
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#2048485 - 03/15/13 12:59 AM Re: Roland Integra 7 Supernatural Module [Re: Dr Popper]
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Originally Posted By: Dr Popper

Selling like hotcakes ..... It's Rolands biggest selling product currently in its line up. They can't make enough to keep up with demand.


I can't tell if you are telling the truth or taking the [censored] here!

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#2048544 - 03/15/13 04:29 AM Re: Roland Integra 7 Supernatural Module [Re: CarloPiano]
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We'll one of the reasons I thought it targeted a niche market, was that Roland also seemed to be in a little doubt if this product would be a success. Supplies we're very limited everywhere and still are. Mostly Integra-7 is 'sales on request' (meaning not standard in stock). That would imply Roland carefully produced only limited amounts of units and monitors if there is enough demand for the product, or demand at all. I do not have the impression the units 'fly off the shelves', rather that the shelves are mostly empty by the reluctance of dealers to stock them (slow moving product) , or the absence of sufficient units to supply to all dealers (low production volumes).

Of course I can be 100% wrong and it's such a hit, that stock runs out faster than Roland can produce. Even at it's full production capacity. But my impression is the opposite.

I DO like the idea of modules like Integra-7 by the way. They have been away for too long ! A dedicated top quality piano module would be very much appreciated. I just doubt how much the manufacturers are committed to a revival of the sound module, or just stuffing together / recycling existing technology - cause it's there anyway - and see if you can still sell a few units to the die-hard module users that are out there. There's definitely a replacement market for current JV-xxx users who can now have the whole product range in one box, but when they have all been provided with the I-7, how many new buyers will be interested ....?

Hope I'm wrong - I'd like high quality modules to stay and let there be more of them, not less.

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#2048621 - 03/15/13 08:15 AM Re: Roland Integra 7 Supernatural Module [Re: JFP]
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Originally Posted By: JFP
We'll one of the reasons I thought it targeted a niche market, was that Roland also seemed to be in a little doubt if this product would be a success. Supplies we're very limited everywhere and still are. Mostly Integra-7 is 'sales on request' (meaning not standard in stock).

At most U.S. sites, there is a different annotation for, as you put it, sales on request versus waiting for inventory, and the Integra is in the latter group. Also, you can usually sort product categories in order of best selling, and then the Integra comes up near the top of the lists. That info is imprecise, but it's at least not a dog.

At any rate, even limited production products are designed to be profitable. The fact that the Integra has often been unavailable since it began shipping 5 months ago indicates to me that it is selling beyond expectations which, themselves, would have been profitable, so it is a success. Unless possibly the issue is that they have run into a production problem.

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#2048631 - 03/15/13 08:43 AM Re: Roland Integra 7 Supernatural Module [Re: CarloPiano]
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Roger Rabbit would answer, now: does it come with a decent music stand?
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#2048638 - 03/15/13 09:22 AM Re: Roland Integra 7 Supernatural Module [Re: CarloPiano]
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Seriously it's a big seller .... Dealers are selling as many as they can lay their hands on. I've seen one at every place I've been this year. Everyone's getting one (or two) . Bloody marvellous thingy it is ... It's fantastic. With the new editor it's even better.
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#2048641 - 03/15/13 09:24 AM Re: Roland Integra 7 Supernatural Module [Re: ando]
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Originally Posted By: Dr Popper

Selling like hotcakes ..... It's Rolands biggest selling product currently in its line up. They can't make enough to keep up with demand.


I can't tell if you are telling the truth or taking the [censored] here!


Truth .. It's a sales hit .... Probably surprised themselves too as JFP surmised quite cleverly.
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#2048667 - 03/15/13 10:44 AM Re: Roland Integra 7 Supernatural Module [Re: CarloPiano]
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Anyone have other impressions of the Supernatural pianos, and the other, older SRX pianos, on the Integra 7? Do they sound the same as the originals?


Edited by Jake Jackson (03/15/13 10:44 AM)

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#2048669 - 03/15/13 10:49 AM Re: Roland Integra 7 Supernatural Module [Re: Jake Jackson]
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Originally Posted By: Jake Jackson
Anyone have other impressions of the Supernatural pianos, and the other, older SRX pianos, on the Integra 7? Do they sound the same as the originals?


It's basically got every piano roland has ever done on there in one form or another.
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#2048681 - 03/15/13 11:28 AM Re: Roland Integra 7 Supernatural Module [Re: Dr Popper]
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Originally Posted By: Dr Popper
It's basically got every piano roland has ever done on there in one form or another.

Not the purely modeled V, though.

Apart from that, I am uncertain as to whether it includes all the other variations, i.e. the ones that people like in the RD-700NX that are not in the FP-7f, etc. Even just looking at their stage pianos (RD300/700, FP4/7), it's hard to be sure what's in common among them, as it seems that, when looking at the sound lists (and the sound lists of their predecessors, fantoms, etc.), Roland may use the same patch name to describe different sounds, and also the converse, possibly using the same sound in two models, but calling them by different names.

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#2048942 - 03/16/13 12:17 AM Re: Roland Integra 7 Supernatural Module [Re: JFP]
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Originally Posted By: JFP
Then Kawai should make a touch curve for the Roland. Wonder of that Will happen ;-)

I still cannot quite understand the big selling point of the VPC touch curves. It is more about the SW instruments than the controller: if you have another controller, that very similar differences should be applied between the optimised touch curves on this second one.

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