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#2048202 - 03/14/13 01:20 PM Plz ident this Mozart theme...
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I tried musipedia melody search - nada.
Here's the theme:

do do do do mi re re do do,
re re re re fa mi re




I'm getting this from an organ piece, and it only says 'from W. A. Mozart'. No K number - nuthin!! It is simply titled "Prelude". Grrr..

Thanks. By the way, is there something else beside musipedia I can try in the future?



Edited by riley80 (03/14/13 01:21 PM)

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#2048204 - 03/14/13 01:22 PM Re: Plz ident this Mozart theme... [Re: riley80]
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Mozart organ piece??

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#2048256 - 03/14/13 03:04 PM Re: Plz ident this Mozart theme... [Re: riley80]
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The only solo organ piece Mozart wrote seems to be K594 (after doing some quick searches on various websites).

Edit: It's not even for a real organ. It's for something called a "mechanical organ" or "musical clock". wink
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#2048729 - 03/15/13 02:41 PM Re: Plz ident this Mozart theme... [Re: riley80]
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The word "from" may mean that it's a piece or arrangement by someone else, who is crediting Mozart for the melody, so it could be from anywhere in Mozart.
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#2049074 - 03/16/13 10:22 AM Re: Plz ident this Mozart theme... [Re: riley80]
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Would it be possible for you to indicate the rhythm? Then I could hum it and see if it rings a bell.
Thanks-

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#2049137 - 03/16/13 12:45 PM Re: Plz ident this Mozart theme... [Re: sleepy]
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I'll try this: 4/4 time (the slash equals the extra beat i.e.do// = 3 beats or a dotted quarter note)

do// do re/ re/, mi// mi mi re do/,


so// so fa/ re/ mi/ fa/ re///.

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#2049190 - 03/16/13 03:13 PM Re: Plz ident this Mozart theme... [Re: riley80]
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Originally Posted By: riley80


I'll try this: 4/4 time (the slash equals the extra beat i.e.do// = 3 beats or a dotted quarter note)

do// do re/ re/, mi// mi mi re do/,


so// so fa/ re/ mi/ fa/ re///.





You realize, of course, that THIS progression of pitches is different than the one you originally posted.

Personally, I like this one better.
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#2049896 - 03/17/13 07:48 PM Re: Plz ident this Mozart theme... [Re: carey]
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I feel like a fool -- Carey is correct.

Yes, the first tune was the correct one. I'll rehash it all here:

do// do do/ do/ mi// re re do do/


re// re re/ re/ fa// mi re///

Sorry.

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#2049961 - 03/17/13 10:17 PM Re: Plz ident this Mozart theme... [Re: riley80]
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Well and good, but I didn't get a thing from your try at indicating the rhythm!

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#2049963 - 03/17/13 10:30 PM Re: Plz ident this Mozart theme... [Re: riley80]
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Wow, that's quite different. (Your rhythm notation is quite clear to me, so let's hope you have it right! laugh )
The first rhythm version kept wanting to turn into the Kyrie from Haydn's Little Organ mass in my head, which wasn't exactly helpful. smile I'd like to think the second one will turn into something, but so far not.
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#2049974 - 03/17/13 11:13 PM Re: Plz ident this Mozart theme... [Re: riley80]
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Originally Posted By: riley80

Thanks. By the way, is there something else beside musipedia I can try in the future?


I think IMSLP also has a search engine by melody now.
Or you could try this... But they are all not so good. frown
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#2050020 - 03/18/13 02:43 AM Re: Plz ident this Mozart theme... [Re: riley80]
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I checked my trusty Dictionary of Musical Themes (10,000 themes by multiple composers). Couldn't find it in the pages devoted to Mozart.

Tell us a bit more about the "organ piece." Is it in a volume of organ music? Arrangements for organ?? (i.e., what else is in the book?). A separate score???


Edited by carey (03/18/13 02:45 AM)
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#2050023 - 03/18/13 02:46 AM Re: Plz ident this Mozart theme... [Re: carey]
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Originally Posted By: carey
I checked my trusty Dictionary of Musical Themes (10,000 themes by multiple composers). Couldn't find it in the pages devoted to Mozart.

The trouble with that (terrific) book is that if you have one note wrong, you're screwed. And there would appear to be a fair chance that a note is wrong. grin
(It's hard to get everything exactly right on something like this.)

Or, that 'the melody' doesn't begin exactly where the sample here begins. You're screwed if your sample doesn't begin exactly where the book wants it to begin.


Psssst -- I had checked that book for it too smile

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#2050031 - 03/18/13 02:52 AM Re: Plz ident this Mozart theme... [Re: riley80]
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The only solo organ piece Mozart wrote seems to be K594

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#2050043 - 03/18/13 03:37 AM Re: Plz ident this Mozart theme... [Re: ahhsmurf]
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Originally Posted By: ahhsmurf
The only solo organ piece Mozart wrote seems to be K594


and these......

Fugue in E-flat major, K. 153 (375f)
Fugue in G minor, K. 154 (385k)
Ouverture in C major, K. 399 (385i)
Fugue in G minor, K. 401 (375e)
Eine kleine Gigue, K. 574
Adagio and Allegro in F minor for a Mechanical Organ, K. 594 (1790)
Fantasia in F minor for a Mechanical Organ, K. 608 (1791)
Andante in F for a Small Mechanical Organ, K. 616 (1791)
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#2050048 - 03/18/13 03:50 AM Re: Plz ident this Mozart theme... [Re: carey]
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Carey: Did you really look at that list? I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't (maybe just copy/pasted it?), because the "Eine Kleine Gigue" is pretty well known and (I'm pretty sure) wasn't written for organ. That makes me suspect that the list in general isn't reliable. I'd guess that it's mainly works that just have organ arrangements.

BTW, speaking of copy/pasting, the member that you responded to just copy/pastes stuff from other posts. grin

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#2050157 - 03/18/13 10:02 AM Re: Plz ident this Mozart theme... [Re: Mark_C]
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Mark C,


I tried to type the number of beats under the so-fa line, but they just won't line up. All I could think of was to add the slashes to show the note value.

I am too thick to learn how to copy and paste here the actual music. Old dog, new tricks.....

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#2050164 - 03/18/13 10:19 AM Re: Plz ident this Mozart theme... [Re: riley80]
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Mystery solved - sort of.

AFAICT, it turns out to be a hymn tune known as ELLISDIE. At one of the hymn websites ( hynmary.com I think it was) all I could find is an 'attributed to Mozart'note, but nowhere is the Mozart work actually identified. So, this is probably just a based on some legend?

The ELLISDIE tune is used for "Jesus, I My Cross Have Taken", but also for another hymn "Hark, the Voice of Jesus Calling".

To further complicate matters, I checked out JIMCHT on youtube and there are many renditions, yet the tune changes a bit. Agh.

I shall lay this matter to rest. Thanks for all your replies.

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#2050179 - 03/18/13 10:57 AM Re: Plz ident this Mozart theme... [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Carey: Did you really look at that list? I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't (maybe just copy/pasted it?), because the "Eine Kleine Gigue" is pretty well known and (I'm pretty sure) wasn't written for organ. That makes me suspect that the list in general isn't reliable. I'd guess that it's mainly works that just have organ arrangements.

BTW, speaking of copy/pasting, the member that you responded to just copy/pastes stuff from other posts.

You're correct - it was a late night "cut and paste job" - and I should have been more careful. grin
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#2050459 - 03/18/13 08:18 PM Re: Plz ident this Mozart theme... [Re: ChopinAddict]
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Originally Posted By: ChopinAddict
[quote=riley80]


Or you could try this... But they are all not so good. frown


You can say that again. I tried it with the solfeggio search - they suggested a Dvorak Slavonic Dance. Ha. They offer a pretty lame method, in that there's no way to show note value. Thanks anyway.

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