Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

Gifts and supplies for the musician

the Forums & Piano World

Trying Something New with Search
Pearl River
Pearl River Pianos
(ad) Pianoteq
(ad) Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restoration
(ad) P B Guide
Acoustic & Digital Piano Guide
Who's Online
91 registered (AndrewJCW, Beauxhomme, Auditor, accordeur, AZ_Astro, 22 invisible), 1131 Guests and 2 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad) Estonia Piano
Estonia Pianos
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Live Piano Venues
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Piano Books
*Piano Art, Pictures, & Posters
*Directory/Site Map
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Screen Saver
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords
Topic Options
#2049131 - 03/16/13 12:22 PM kurzweil cup2 piano fo restaurant
ado Offline
Full Member

Registered: 05/18/08
Posts: 94
Loc: france
Hello and sorry if i'm in wrong forum but I would love some opìnions from (also) non classical pìanists.

Ovner of a restaurant where I hopeffuly soon will be playing a couple nights a week wants to buy a piano and we are considering the kurzweil cup2 .
The music is mainly to make ambiance with jazz standards or jazzed up latin and pop stuff plus some blues&boogy (after midnight if there is noisier drinking crowd at the bar)

I would apreciate if someone could give me advice if familiar with the kurzweil cup2 ,could that come as close to a real thing or are there other options in that price range (4000 euro) from yamaha,roland or kawai.

I've seen some youtube reviews on various models but still would love to hear some nonpartial opinions from you guys.

There is no way I can try them as we are in remote part of France.


Piano & Music Accessories
piano accessories music gifts tuning and moving equipment
#2049140 - 03/16/13 12:51 PM Re: kurzweil cup2 piano fo restaurant [Re: ado]
kapelli Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/26/12
Posts: 622
Loc: Poland
Kawai CS series, Roland HP, Yamaha CLP, this thread should be moved to the digital pianos area

#2049458 - 03/17/13 02:18 AM Re: kurzweil cup2 piano fo restaurant [Re: ado]
ado Offline
Full Member

Registered: 05/18/08
Posts: 94
Loc: france
Thanks, I checked the kawai ca95 and cs9 which I like a lot ,but kurzweil claims 140 watts and most of others clp, hp and mentioned kawai models are something arouns 40-50 watts,which I'm not sur would work in noisy restaurant,
and extra amplification is out of question.No cables and speakers around the setting,it must look elegant and like the real piano the sound must be coming from the instrument.

I read some piano forum threads on cup2 and comparisons with other brands,
and probably would go with ca95 or cs9 if it was for my home use but here is the question of power for public space with noise.

msg for moderator
if this thread is more apropriate in dig.pianos area can you please move it over,sorry

#2051027 - 03/19/13 06:47 PM Re: kurzweil cup2 piano fo restaurant [Re: ado]
TromboneAl Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 08/12/04
Posts: 796
Loc: Northern, Northern California
Just something to think about:

Non-musicians respond significantly to what they see. For some, it's more what they see than what they hear (unfortunately).

For this reason, you might consider a used grand piano instead of an electronic. For ambiance, nothing beats a nice-looking grand. I realize that means fewer tables, and more upkeep, and it depends on the type of restaurant, but it's something to consider.
- Al

My Book: Becoming a Great Sight-Reader -- or Not!
My Blog: The Year of Piano Sight-Reading

#2051399 - 03/20/13 02:11 PM Re: kurzweil cup2 piano fo restaurant [Re: ado]
kapelli Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/26/12
Posts: 622
Loc: Poland
Only waht I know about Kurzweil is that CUP2 has very bright sound, what might be not the best option in restaurant.

Maybe you should also look at Yamaha 465-GP because of it's grand piano look, however it still can be to silent for you. Just to to the shop and check the sounds and how loud the piano is.

I think the best option for you will be Kawai CS6. Beautiful sound and 100W power (2x50W). The 140W on Kurzweil is total so all is how you measure the power smile
And it costs around the same as Kurzweil.

#2051454 - 03/20/13 04:32 PM Re: kurzweil cup2 piano fo restaurant [Re: kapelli]
ado Offline
Full Member

Registered: 05/18/08
Posts: 94
Loc: france
Thanks trombonal
I thing also acoustic grand is the best and I found some secondhand ones for half price of kurzweil cost but the boss won't hear of it ,he says too much trouble (I'm still trying to convince him that there is nothing like the real thing)

Thanks kapelli
I like the cs9 very much and read some favourable reviews on it and it looks the way to go as 2x50watts should be enough.
The yamaha 465gp ,which I tryied in a store and like but I'm not sure I like the keyboard action which I suspect inferior to cs9 or cup2(as also the other two are wooden)but in yamaha case we like the image of grand piano and pianist facing the audience option but also its more shy speaking about volume.

#2051470 - 03/20/13 05:04 PM Re: kurzweil cup2 piano fo restaurant [Re: ado]
kapelli Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/26/12
Posts: 622
Loc: Poland
you should think between CS6 and CS9 from Kawai.

The acoustic grand for 3k USD needs one more thousand to sound and another one to look (most of the time).

If you are talking about used uprights, you can buy very fine instrument for the price much lower then CUP2 which will be of course after restoration.

in the DP piano you don't need the maintenance and there's no need to think about the placement of piano so this is good.

One more - try to look something with warm sound (both digital or acoustic),
however on each you will have some possibilities to change the sound a little.

PS I prefer acoustics wink

#2052793 - 03/23/13 04:01 AM Re: kurzweil cup2 piano fo restaurant [Re: ado]
ado Offline
Full Member

Registered: 05/18/08
Posts: 94
Loc: france
Thanks Kapelli ,yes that's true there are certain advantages to DP ,the option changing the sound for different styles of music is a plus too.

Are you happen to be familiar with yamaha clp480 ?
if yes how would you compare it with cs9 touch and sound ,cs9 image is obviously much nicer to my taste.

Edited by ado (03/23/13 04:03 AM)


Moderator:  sharpsandflats 
What's Hot!!
Why It's Impossible to Tune a Piano!
aka, why you should be nice to your tuner.
Posting Pictures on the Forums
Forums Rules & Help
on Piano World

Piano Classified Ads
Piano Acc. & Gift Items in
Piano World's Online Store
In PianoSupplies.com ,(a division of Piano World) our online store for piano and music gifts and accessories, party goods, tuning equipment, piano moving equipment, benches, lamps Caster Cups and more.

Free Shipping on Jansen Artist Piano Benches
Hammond A100 for Sale!
(Think B3)
Hammond A100 for sale!
(125ad) Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad 125)
Sweetwater $55,000 Giveaway
Sweetwater $55,000 Mic Locker Giveaway
Wessell Nickel & Gross
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Changing all of the wound bass strings
by Pianolance
05/26/16 08:32 PM
Dare to challenge your own "musical taste"!
by Ganddalf
05/26/16 05:48 PM
Piano Meetup in Richmond, VA
by lesecret
05/26/16 04:15 PM
15th harmonic on a piano string
by Ricochet75
05/26/16 02:00 PM
by fatar760
05/26/16 12:23 PM
Forum Stats
83,760 Registered Members
44 Forums
172,943 Topics
2,528,014 Posts

Most users ever online: 15,252 @ 03/21/10 11:39 PM
Sheet Music Plus (125)
Sheet Music Plus Featured Sale

Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World | Donate | Link to Us | Classifieds |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | Press Room |

copyright 1997 - 2016 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission