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#2049433 - 03/17/13 12:20 AM Re: Schimmel K189 [Re: Joey Calderazzo]
Minnesota Marty Offline

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Joey - I can tell that you are really into the clarity thing.

Good Man !!!

(I agree with you about Oscar and his piano.)
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#2049453 - 03/17/13 01:56 AM Re: Schimmel K189 [Re: Joey Calderazzo]
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Clear or not, Bosis are known for *romantic* sound.

Like "romantic Boogie"...




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#2049573 - 03/17/13 10:02 AM Re: Schimmel K189 [Re: Joey Calderazzo]
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Joey - I don't know if you have discovered this thread, but I'm sure you will enjoy it.

Shimmering Schimmel
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#2049586 - 03/17/13 10:20 AM Re: Schimmel K189 [Re: Joey Calderazzo]
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Joey at work...


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#2049832 - 03/17/13 06:04 PM Re: Schimmel K189 [Re: Mark...]
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Originally Posted By: Mark...
Joey at work...


It's a dirty job, but someone's gotta do it.
Nice!

Thanks Mark...
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#2049868 - 03/17/13 07:10 PM Re: Schimmel K189 [Re: Joey Calderazzo]
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It is interesting how certain brands can be classified by what genre(s) sound best on them. I never really thought about it that way. I know certain brands are mellower and warmer, others are bright and crisp, etc., but never really about genre-suitability. I guess when you have a focused repertoire, it becomes more important (ie: Most classical pianists probably want to stay clear of Yamahas, Jazz pianists don't really want Bluthners, etc.). I always just played whatever on whatever I was playing on, be it a Fazioli grand or a Wurlitzer spinet.

For compromises, I've always found Kawai's to be fairly versatile. They have the crisp sound that's good for jazz, and the sustain...I'll let this sum it up.
http://youtu.be/g7-5io1muSQ?t=21s
Basically. I can hit a chord with the sustain down, and it'll keep ringing and ringing for at least a good minute. I have no clue how long a "long sustain" should be, but I'd say a minute's pretty dang long for an upright.


Edited by SBP (03/17/13 07:16 PM)
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#2049880 - 03/17/13 07:25 PM Re: Schimmel K189 [Re: SBP]
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Originally Posted By: SBP
It is interesting how certain brands can be classified by what genre(s) sound best on them. I never really thought about it that way. I know certain brands are mellower and warmer, others are bright and crisp, etc., but never really about genre-suitability. I guess when you have a focused repertoire, it becomes more important (ie: Most classical pianists probably want to stay clear of Yamahas, Jazz pianists don't really want Bluthners, etc.). I always just played whatever on whatever I was playing on, be it a Fazioli grand or a Wurlitzer spinet.

For compromises, I've always found Kawai's to be fairly versatile. They have the crisp sound that's good for jazz, and the sustain...I'll let this sum it up.
http://youtu.be/g7-5io1muSQ?t=21s
Basically. I can hit a chord with the sustain down, and it'll keep ringing and ringing for at least a good minute. I have no clue how long a "long sustain" should be, but I'd say a minute's pretty dang long for an upright.
From everything I've read Yamahas are not as bright as in the past. Their concert model is absolutely magnificent and is probably the second most popular piano for classical concerts. It is certainly not what one would call overly bright.

"Crisp" and "good sustain" would normally be considered opposites. Sustain is normally a consideration in the treble, and when listening for this the pedal should not be down.


Edited by pianoloverus (03/17/13 09:05 PM)

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#2049903 - 03/17/13 07:59 PM Re: Schimmel K189 [Re: Joey Calderazzo]
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I enjoy playing all pianos that are prepared properly..I always try and find the strengths of a piano and let the music come out accordingly..I have liked playing Yamahas just because they are consistent..Playing different pianos every night can really suck..Steinways have been by far the most INconsistent piano.But when they are good,they are great. I have done shows in Europe on Bluthners,Bechsteins,Bosies,Schimmels,Kawais,Faziolis..
I do like the Yamaha C7 and love the CFX..For me I really want a good action..I am able to get "my sound" out of most pianos
but I need the action to be even and responsive..Once you use a monitor,the sound of the piano is changed..Although I do have my own monitor system,so I full control of the volume.I only use when the band is loud.(so i use it often)!!!
I would be thrilled to play my Schimmel every night ,although we would need a bigger one

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#2049930 - 03/17/13 08:58 PM Re: Schimmel K189 [Re: Mark...]
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Loc: Toronto
Originally Posted By: Mark...
Joey at work...



Hey I've played that piano! (Just not THAT good:)

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#2049949 - 03/17/13 09:44 PM Re: Schimmel K189 [Re: Joey Calderazzo]
Alain Offline
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Registered: 03/16/13
Posts: 4
I am just realizing how much it must be challenging for a pianist to "adapt" to a new instrument each time he performs and delivers his sound and what people are expecting of him/her. I mean a saxophonist will have his Selmer, a guitarist his guitars or a drummer his particular setup, a guy at keyboard will rent the same exact synthesizers, etc.

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#2062064 - 04/09/13 05:09 PM Re: Schimmel K189 [Re: Alain]
Dave Ferris Offline
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Registered: 03/12/07
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Loc: Glendale, Ca.
I played a new Schimmel K189 today at Keyboard Concepts in Van Nuys. The Schimmels I've been played in past years, I've been fairly underwhelmed, not my tonal cup of tea. But this was different....simply WOW !

Clarity in all registers, super responsive action/touch to sound, very reminiscent of a Fazioli. Sounded much bigger then a 6'3" piano. I played a Bosendorfer 225 right down the aisle and while the larger scale of the 225 was obvious, the basic clairty and singing tone of the Schimmel, to my ears, was on par with the 225.

KC is one of the biggest Yamaha dealers in the country, and I'm a huge Yamaha fan having owned a C7e & S6 before my D. I played every Yamaha CX model they had from the C3 up to the C7, and as nice as they were, the Schimmel had, for me, a superior, more complex tone and added sustain. And I had never felt that way in the past when playing older Schimmels next to a C7 or C5/6/3.

Basically there was nothing I didn't like about the K189...and this was with minimum prep too. Simply a smokin' piano !

edit with added thought:
Originally Posted By: Norbert
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Most of the Schimmels I have played/serviced were well made. The tone color does not change much with dynamics-which I find boring.


The statement fails to differentiate between the several different lines of "Schimmel".

For example, the Classic and Konzert series are so different, they may as well be made by different makers.

While the statement may be perhaps partially true for the one series, it definitely does not for the other.


They had the Classic 189 right next to the Konzert and there was no comparison. Playing just one Fm7b5 sus chord voiced with a minor 10th in the LH in the middle register on both pianos immediately told the story... wink It was indeed like playing two different brands of piano as opposed to models.
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#2062107 - 04/09/13 07:32 PM Re: Schimmel K189 [Re: Joey Calderazzo]
Joey Calderazzo Offline
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Registered: 03/12/13
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Hey Dave,You and I have similar tastes.The clarity in all registers is one of the biggest plus' for me.I also agree that is sounds bigger than a 6'3" piano. Its funny you wrote that cause I have spent a lot of time playing pianos this week.I was in NYC doing a few shows and played lots of great pianos at Faust Harrison and Allegro.Faust had one of the best Steinway A's I have ever played,but it felt and sounded smaller than my K189..it was also clearer..
I think Faust has the best rebuilt Steinways I have ever played.But honestly after playing so many great pianos by different companies,I am not sure I would want a Steinway.If I was to get one it would be a D..I LOVED the C Bechstein 234,and when I jumped to the Steinway B I felt underwhelmed..And their B's were great,I just liked the clarity and evenness of the Bechstein.
I also loved the Bosie 225,really nice piano.
I also went to Steinway Hall..I played 2 D's that i liked a lot..Everything else was just ok..I really found that the Schimmel K189 seems like a lot more piano than the A,and its half the price!!!! what the heck..and the best A's and B's I played were at Faust/Harrison not Steinway Hall.(pretty Sad)...on my way to Europe now for 2 weeks to play duo with my buddy Branford..see ya,Joey

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