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#2049921 - 03/17/13 08:39 PM sixteenth stress
manyhands Offline
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Learning Raindro0s keep Falling on my Head. Working on dotted 8 ths and sixteenth combos. Any advice on getting those 16s right? especially at end of the measure?
It seems like the real issue is moving the hand quickly to the next position.
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#2049931 - 03/17/13 09:00 PM Re: sixteenth stress [Re: manyhands]
Saranoya Offline
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Only one piece of advice I can give: practice. Slowly. Hundreds of times. Set your metronome at 50, if you have to, but in any case, do not try to speed up until you have it down pat at a slow tempo. You will find, I think, that as you keep playing a piece it will speed up naturally as your comfort level grows.

My teacher gave me the advice to practice slowly many, many times before it actually sunk in. Not that I wasn't doing it before. I just didn't play slow enough, or kept at it for long enough, for it to make any real difference.

So, practice slowly. And keep at it until you can't not speed up anymore.
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#2050039 - 03/18/13 03:24 AM Re: sixteenth stress [Re: manyhands]
Charles Cohen Offline
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Registered: 12/26/12
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If you're asking what I _think_ you're asking, it's:

. . . How do I get my hand into position for measure 2,
. . . when there's a sixteenth note at the end of measure 1?

and the answer is something like this:

. . . Figure out what position you need to be in,
. . . for measure 2.

. . . Work out a fingering for measure 1 that lets you
. . . do a _smooth transition_ into the hand position
. . . for measure 2.

That may mean "switching fingers" on one repeated note, to get your hand into the right place on the keyboard. As an example, for "Raindrops", C major (I'm using 6/8 time here, because I think it's close to the real rhythm, and "/" for bar lines):

E . . E . E / F . E D . C / E . . . . . / . . . . . . /
3 . . 3 . 3 / 4 . 3 2 . 1 / 3


G . . G . G / A . G F . E /
5 . . 4 . 4 / 5 . 4 3 . 2 /

In the fifth measure, the switch from G (pinkie) to G (fourth finger) lets you take your time, and 'sets up' the hand for the A (5). So there's no need to rush that last "G".

I can see that teachers might want to teach "fixed hand positions" as a pedagogical device -- but that's not how you actually play the piano. Your hand will learn to constantly be stretching and contracting, as the music demands. It's not a violin.

And you may be asking a different question altogether. And I'm _not_ your teacher, who would be the right person to pose the question to (if you have one).

. Charles


Edited by Charles Cohen (03/18/13 03:28 AM)
Edit Reason: need "." between finger numerals

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#2050062 - 03/18/13 04:57 AM Re: sixteenth stress [Re: Saranoya]
Michael_99 Offline
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Registered: 07/28/12
Posts: 935
Loc: Canada Alberta
"...
Only one piece of advice I can give: practice. Slowly. Hundreds of times. Set your metronome at 50, if you have to, but in any case, do not try to speed up until you have it down pat at a slow tempo. You will find, I think, that as you keep playing a piece it will speed up naturally as your comfort level grows.

My teacher gave me the advice to practice slowly many, many times before it actually sunk in. Not that I wasn't doing it before. I just didn't play slow enough, or kept at it for long enough, for it to make any real difference.

So, practice slowly. And keep at it until you can't not speed up anymore.

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- Burgmüller, opus 100 (mastered 1 - 7 so far)
- Beethoven, piano sonata n° 14 ('Moonlight Sonata'), movements 1 & 2

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Absolutely correct advice. Additionally, you should know that to be able to play a piece at a particular speed, you actually have to be able to do it 20 counts high than the speed you want to play it at because your brain has to have 20 counts higher so you can play it without errors and in a relaxed manner. If you are a beginner and this song it too fast for you, you can do it slowly but it will take you perhaps several weeks to get it up to a speed you have never played at before. However, if you have been playing lots of pieces at the same speed, it is just a matter of getting this piece up to speed and that should not take you very long - of course, you must practice very slowly and accurately and over many days or weeks you should be able to get it up to speed.



Edited by Michael_99 (03/18/13 04:58 AM)

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#2050476 - 03/18/13 08:45 PM Re: sixteenth stress [Re: manyhands]
manyhands Offline
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Registered: 03/19/12
Posts: 129
Loc: Md
Thank you, Saranoya, Charles and Michael. Of course I should have thought about switching position in mid measure to set up for the quick move. Thanks for getting me out of rigid thinking. Now, to refinger and practice slowly!
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