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#2050286 - 03/18/13 02:50 PM Kawai CA-65 vs. CS-6
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Hello!
I'm looking for a new digital piano. Tried a lot pianos available here on market, and after a long comparising I stayed with last two instruments mentioned in subject. I know that CS-6 is polished ebony with CA-63 "inside", CA-65 has a lot new features. As I'm not a pro, I feel a slight difference on keys, but can't judge which one is better but also know that it is hard to make a simple answer. CA-65 is newer, I don't fall just on polished ebony, and the situation on market is that until next 7 days we have a discount which means that CA-65 is around 2000 Euros, CS-6 is slightly more expensive (around 2150E). I'd like to get all reasonable suggestions from all you experienced people.
Yes, it will be used for my hobby playing (let's say Chopin walzers are the top of my possibilities) and also for my 8 years old sun who's second grade in elementary music school, willing to practice more smile
Thank you all for quick answers (the discount is ending smile )
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#2050290 - 03/18/13 02:59 PM Re: Kawai CA-65 vs. CS-6 [Re: GPP]
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Based on what you have said, go for the CA65. The CS6 is a nice looking piece of furniture so don't let your wife see it as she might overrule. It is also a good piano, but the 65 is improved over it, and also quite an appealing piece of furniture.


Edited by spanishbuddha (03/18/13 02:59 PM)

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#2050295 - 03/18/13 03:12 PM Re: Kawai CA-65 vs. CS-6 [Re: spanishbuddha]
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Originally Posted By: spanishbuddha
Based on what you have said, go for the CA65. The CS6 is a nice looking piece of furniture so don't let your wife see it as she might overrule. It is also a good piano, but the 65 is improved over it, and also quite an appealing piece of furniture.


Haha, thanks for a good advice smile
However I can see on the net (even on youtube) that there is a lot of doubtful people regarding what technic i better ... The Grand Feel or the RM3 Grand?
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#2050297 - 03/18/13 03:19 PM Re: Kawai CA-65 vs. CS-6 [Re: spanishbuddha]
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Originally Posted By: spanishbuddha
The CS6 is a nice looking piece of furniture so don't let your wife see it as she might overrule.


Sexist much?
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#2050304 - 03/18/13 03:32 PM Re: Kawai CA-65 vs. CS-6 [Re: debrucey]
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Originally Posted By: debrucey
Originally Posted By: spanishbuddha
The CS6 is a nice looking piece of furniture so don't let your wife see it as she might overrule.


Sexist much?


Let's focus on the subject please smile
So, female opinion would be ... ? Of course regarding the feel on keys!
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#2050440 - 03/18/13 07:53 PM Re: Kawai CA-65 vs. CS-6 [Re: GPP]
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GPP, the CA65 is a considerable improvement over the CA63/CS6:

CA65
+ GF keyboard action (longer keys, longer pivot point, 3-sensor, more counter weights)
+ HI-XL sampling
+ 256 note polyphony
+ More powerful generator (improved reverb, effects, noises, modelled resonance, amp sim, etc.)
+ Many more Virtual Technician parameters
+ Improved sounds (jazz grands, upright piano, EPs)
+ Larger LCD, improved user interface
+ Load/Save registrations and settings from/to USB
+ USB audio recorder improvements (overdubbing, line-in recording, recorder gain, SMF-->MP3)
+ Grand Feel Pedal System (correct weighting of all three pedals)
+ Adjustable music rest angle
+ Lower power consumption (including auto power-off)
+ More compact jack panel, headphone/USB jacks mounted at front of instrument

CS6
+ Ebony polish cabinet

Based purely on specifications, I would almost certainly opt for the CA65. However, if ebony polish appearance is important, the decision becomes a little more difficult.

Of course, the best solution would be the brand new CS7 (CA65 features, CS6 cabinet), however I doubt the dealer's discounts would apply.

I hope this helps - best of luck with your decision.

Kind regards,
James
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#2050449 - 03/18/13 08:01 PM Re: Kawai CA-65 vs. CS-6 [Re: Kawai James]
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Thank you very much Kawai James, I think the decision is made, just have to check if the dealer has black colour of CA-65. I already brefley passed through both users manuals and also specification and yes, 65 is defenetly improvement inspite 63 (or CS6).
Thanks again!
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#2050641 - 03/19/13 05:16 AM Re: Kawai CA-65 vs. CS-6 [Re: GPP]
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I would also go for the CA65 because of the 3 sensor system.
If you play Chopin you´ll be thankful having these wink

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#2051014 - 03/19/13 05:59 PM Re: Kawai CA-65 vs. CS-6 [Re: GPP]
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Thank you all for advices, especially to you James. The conclusion is ... CA-65 is just bought. Can't wait for fridays delivery!
I tried in the shop again both pianos. I can't say CS-6 is worse. I can feel just a slight difference in touch response. They are both great, especially after long term use of today 12 years old Yamaha S-08. Incomparable, together with my very old Petrof upright piano.
So, let's wait for friday afternoon.

One remark ... congratulations to my wife too ... she said non-glossy one smile looks better!


Edited by GPP (03/19/13 06:00 PM)
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#2051031 - 03/19/13 07:06 PM Re: Kawai CA-65 vs. CS-6 [Re: GPP]
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Congratulations to both of you. wink

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#2052062 - 03/21/13 05:24 PM Re: Kawai CA-65 vs. CS-6 [Re: GPP]
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Package delivered 2 hours ago ... first impression ... just great!
Second impression ... I need new headphones smile
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#2052073 - 03/21/13 05:43 PM Re: Kawai CA-65 vs. CS-6 [Re: GPP]
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One question, can't find in the manual ... is there a software switch between headphones and speakers, or everytime I have to plug in or plug out the phones?
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#2052962 - 03/23/13 02:03 PM Re: Kawai CA-65 vs. CS-6 [Re: GPP]
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Congrats for both, a very right decision, as You can read this in my own in-depth decision analysis:

CA65 as the first chice

Just for happy After Buying Reviewing: unfortunatly I completely missed Your topic previously.

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#2053098 - 03/23/13 06:56 PM Re: Kawai CA-65 vs. CS-6 [Re: GPP]
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Originally Posted By: GPP
One question, can't find in the manual ... is there a software switch between headphones and speakers, or everytime I have to plug in or plug out the phones?


GPP, I'm afraid I do not understand your question.

May I please ask you to explain what you are hoping to achieve in more detail?

Cheers,
James
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#2053222 - 03/23/13 11:43 PM Re: Kawai CA-65 vs. CS-6 [Re: Kawai James]
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If You plug in a jack in the headphones plug, there is a builtin switch which actively turns off the boxes physically - this mechanism seems to be a physical one, it is enough to let a converter plugged in without a headphone attached at all.

One would sometimes like to let the headphones just plugged in an have a dedicated switch in front of You to select output to Boxes, to Headphone1/2 to all or to none of them. (Last one is implemented in Menu at least by MIDI local control off.)

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#2053274 - 03/24/13 04:32 AM Re: Kawai CA-65 vs. CS-6 [Re: Temperament]
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Originally Posted By: Temperament
If You plug in a jack in the headphones plug, there is a builtin switch which actively turns off the boxes physically - this mechanism seems to be a physical one, it is enough to let a converter plugged in without a headphone attached at all.

One would sometimes like to let the headphones just plugged in an have a dedicated switch in front of You to select output to Boxes, to Headphone1/2 to all or to none of them. (Last one is implemented in Menu at least by MIDI local control off.)


I would love to have switch. It's just stupid you have to plug and unplug headphones all the time.
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#2053293 - 03/24/13 06:16 AM Re: Kawai CA-65 vs. CS-6 [Re: jarosujo]
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+2 ! smile
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#2053299 - 03/24/13 06:46 AM Re: Kawai CA-65 vs. CS-6 [Re: GPP]
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GPP said: One question, can't find in the manual ... is there a software switch between headphones and speakers, or everytime I have to plug in or plug out the phones?

and jarosujo said: I would love to have switch. It's just stupid you have to plug and unplug headphones all the time.

But isn't plugging in a dummy plug to shut off the internal amplifiers a simpler thing to do than accessing a 'software switch'? For one thing, you can see straight away that the speakers have been switched off. Also it's much quicker to plug in a dummy than accessing a facility through layers of parameter access menus.
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#2053319 - 03/24/13 07:56 AM Re: Kawai CA-65 vs. CS-6 [Re: GPP]
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Looking for jack laying somewhere on the floor is more complicated than just pressing one button or pushing slider. It`s all about cost saving I believe which I can understand in 50€ CD player but not in 2000€ DP.


Edited by jarosujo (03/24/13 07:57 AM)
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#2053333 - 03/24/13 08:22 AM Re: Kawai CA-65 vs. CS-6 [Re: jarosujo]
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Originally Posted By: jarosujo
Looking for jack laying somewhere on the floor is more complicated than just pressing one button or pushing slider. It`s all about cost saving I believe which I can understand in 50€ CD player but not in 2000€ DP.


The headphone jacks for both the CA65 and CS6 are located on the front-left of the instrument, in a position that is easily accessible - it should not be necessary to lay on the floor to connect a pair of headphones.



Cheers,
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#2053342 - 03/24/13 08:39 AM Re: Kawai CA-65 vs. CS-6 [Re: jarosujo]
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Originally Posted By: jarosujo

I would love to have switch. It's just stupid you have to plug and unplug headphones all the time.


Indeed!!!

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#2053349 - 03/24/13 08:52 AM Re: Kawai CA-65 vs. CS-6 [Re: jarosujo]
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Originally Posted By: jarosujo
Originally Posted By: Temperament
If You plug in a jack in the headphones plug, there is a builtin switch which actively turns off the boxes physically - this mechanism seems to be a physical one, it is enough to let a converter plugged in without a headphone attached at all.

One would sometimes like to let the headphones just plugged in an have a dedicated switch in front of You to select output to Boxes, to Headphone1/2 to all or to none of them. (Last one is implemented in Menu at least by MIDI local control off.)


I would love to have switch. It's just stupid you have to plug and unplug headphones all the time.


Agreed! It is the same on my Roland LX-15. I wish there was a software setting to turn off this feature.
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#2053380 - 03/24/13 10:07 AM Re: Kawai CA-65 vs. CS-6 [Re: GPP]
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Ergonomics aside, it is a bit inelegant.
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#2053393 - 03/24/13 10:52 AM Re: Kawai CA-65 vs. CS-6 [Re: theJourney]
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When if ever will a keyboard only version of the C65 be made available? Or is there an equivalent (in terms of letoff simulation and touch) which comes in keyboard only format?

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#2053401 - 03/24/13 11:05 AM Re: Kawai CA-65 vs. CS-6 [Re: johnlewisgrant]
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Do you know about the VPC1 (which comes near to it you are demanding) and would you like to see a VPC2 with a GF keybed?

I can see, that the VPC1 with its RM3-II wooden action (similar to the GF but some 4-5 cm shorter keys) is a compromise: the same geometrical size as the MP10 and CA13 which could have brought some benefits for manufacturing and for portability.

By the way, were You that very first person who began publishing MIDI recordings of the WTC on the internet before anyone other did? Was a very memorable undertaking!
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#2053466 - 03/24/13 12:43 PM Re: Kawai CA-65 vs. CS-6 [Re: GPP]
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Yup... did book 1 almost ten years ago. I had started book 2 but decided to wait a bit, partly because I wasn't satisfied with the current samples, partly because I didn't feel I understood Bk 2 that well. I've said this before, but I think Ivory American Grand just might be the sample for Book 2.

I don't particularly want to use the pmi Bos 291 again, although it continues to sound amazingly real as a recorded strictly classical piano sound.

Also, I'll have to find a happy home for Bk 2, since "Piano Society" no longer accepts explicitly midi material. Midi that isn't acknowledged as such continues to get in; but that can't be stopped. The sound quality is easily convincing; the only issue is musical... quantized and totally fake-sounding stuff is still very, very easy to spot.

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#2053473 - 03/24/13 01:12 PM Re: Kawai CA-65 vs. CS-6 [Re: Temperament]
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Yes, my intention was to have headphones attached in the jack all the time, but to have a switch (on the control board or somewvere else) when I want to use them.
This way, i have to unplug headphones when using built in speakers, an than again to plug in headphones when wanting to use them.


I'm still 100% with Kawai, but Yamaha has the switch ... you can choose speakers, headphones or both.


Edited by GPP (03/24/13 01:15 PM)
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#2053501 - 03/24/13 01:55 PM Re: Kawai CA-65 vs. CS-6 [Re: GPP]
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I'm just waiting for the CA65, I bought the piano last friday

I have seen a post where a player use speakers, but not the built in speakers.
So he can use headphones without unplug them.
But it's a pity to have built in speakers and use others.

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#2053559 - 03/24/13 04:16 PM Re: Kawai CA-65 vs. CS-6 [Re: doume]
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But it's a pity to have built in speakers and use others.


Just like to have built in sounds and use others for better results ...

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#2053594 - 03/24/13 05:14 PM Re: Kawai CA-65 vs. CS-6 [Re: GPP]
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Originally Posted By: GPP
I'm still 100% with Kawai, but Yamaha has the switch ... you can choose speakers, headphones or both.


Which model?

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