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#2050071 - 03/18/13 06:10 AM Experiences with the action of Kawai K2 or K3?
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Dear Forum members, have some of you extended (longer term) experience with the carbon-fiber based upright actions by Kawai, such as in the K2 or K3? If yes, would you share your impressions?
Thanks in advance (a friend just got a K3 and I'm particularly interested in how well the action will hold up).

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#2050217 - 03/18/13 12:20 PM Re: Experiences with the action of Kawai K2 or K3? [Re: maurus]
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I owned a Kawai K-2 for three years. The action was terrific. My technician did a little lubrication, but that was it.

It was a nice, trouble free piano.

I take lessons on a K-3 that has been in use at a studio for at least 4 years, that I know of. The action is still very nice and even.
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#2050234 - 03/18/13 12:47 PM Re: Experiences with the action of Kawai K2 or K3? [Re: maurus]
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The Kawai carbon-fiber actions are a well proven commodity. There would be no reason to be hesitant about purchasing a Kawai because of this feature.
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#2050256 - 03/18/13 01:46 PM Re: Experiences with the action of Kawai K2 or K3? [Re: maurus]
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Hey Marty,

Where is the carbon fiber? I may be under a misunderstanding, I thought Kawai was a composite .. yes, carbon fiber .. no
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#2050279 - 03/18/13 02:34 PM Re: Experiences with the action of Kawai K2 or K3? [Re: maurus]
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Dear all, thanks for the responses so far. My intention was not to start a discussion about the theoretical merits of Kawai's technology (ABS Carbon is their term for the composite used) but rather to learn about people's actual experiences with this action (thanks Gary!).

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#2050299 - 03/18/13 03:22 PM Re: Experiences with the action of Kawai K2 or K3? [Re: maurus]
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Maurus,

Fair enough, the Kawai action has proven reliable.

Do you like the action on your friends piano?
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#2050317 - 03/18/13 03:56 PM Re: Experiences with the action of Kawai K2 or K3? [Re: maurus]
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I played a K2 a couple of years ago with the ABS. For such a small upgright, the action was surprisingly responsive. The treble is bright and easy to play dynamically. The tone did nothing for me but I certainly was very impressed with the action.
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#2050318 - 03/18/13 03:56 PM Re: Experiences with the action of Kawai K2 or K3? [Re: Larry Buck]
maurus Offline
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Originally Posted By: Larry Buck
Do you like the action on your friends piano?

Yes I do - compared to some other (older) uprights I have played. The action is quite a bit firmer (in the sense of a more precise connection between key and hammer) than the action of my beloved Pfeiffer of the 1920's whose ivory keys and sensitive, if a little sluggish action I love. Difficult to say which of these I'd prefer (i.e., of these actions - as a whole, my old Pfeiffer is clearly a better instrument). Of course there are even more precise actions in uprights as well, of the more expensive kind.

Comparison to my grand is unfair though - they are not in the same class.

@ Jacky: Thanks - of course a 132 Seiler is quite a different instrument than a K2 (played both in shops - by the way a well voiced K3 has a better tone than the K2's I've seen).


Edited by maurus (03/18/13 04:28 PM)

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#2050324 - 03/18/13 04:08 PM Re: Experiences with the action of Kawai K2 or K3? [Re: Larry Buck]
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Originally Posted By: Larry Buck
Hey Marty,

Where is the carbon fiber? I may be under a misunderstanding, I thought Kawai was a composite .. yes, carbon fiber .. no

Sorry Larry - You are absolutely correct. I was responding to the OP's statement and didn't think.

But, they do seem to hold up well!
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#2050325 - 03/18/13 04:15 PM Re: Experiences with the action of Kawai K2 or K3? [Re: maurus]
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Maurus,

I have quite a bit of experience playing Kawais and Shigerus. The best description I would use is that they seem to be very even, very smooth, and very responsive. I enjoy controlling them rather than fighting with them.
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#2050336 - 03/18/13 04:44 PM Re: Experiences with the action of Kawai K2 or K3? [Re: maurus]
UK Paul UK Offline
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Had my k3 about 5 months. Initially i was concerned with the action but now i am happyto admit my shortcommings as a player were more of an issue. Loving it, and i love the practice pedal feature. Use it most of the time due to constant tinnitus but am very much enjoying the tone without it too... :-)
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