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#2050350 - 03/18/13 05:10 PM Brahms 1st Piano Concerto. Yes or No?
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Registered: 10/19/11
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Loc: Mumbai, India
Hi,

I've been obsessed with Brahms 1st piano concerto( the second concerto too, but I'm not going to go near that one for quite some time), the harmonies, lush melodies, heartwarming progressions. I can't get it out of my head. So I've been trying to see whether doing it would be plausible at my level. This would be my first concerto although I do play collaboratively through chamber music. Is the Brahms 1 plausible for someone of my level? I don't plan on performing it any time soon, but it's something I'd like to learn. And if not, are there any other romantic concertos that I can look at? I don't want to do the Grieg as his piano concerto and cello sonata are quite similar so I might get bored. Additionally, I want to take a short vacation from Beethoven once I'm done with the Apassionata, so could you avoid the Beethoven concerti as well. I'd love to do them at some point of my life (especially the 3rd), but not right now.
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Beethoven: Piano Sonata No.23, Op.57 "Apassionata"
Brahms: Violin Sonata No.2, Op.100
Faure: Barcarolle No.5, Op.66
Grieg: Cello Sonata, Op.36

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#2050381 - 03/18/13 05:50 PM Re: Brahms 1st Piano Concerto. Yes or No? [Re: arpan70]
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Brahms 1 is my all-time favorite piece of music, but it is quite an undertaking. The notes aren't too hard to learn, although it is very unforgivable and awkward in many places. However, to pull off a great performance from beginning to end makes it one of the most challenging piano concerti.

Get the score and see what you can make of it smile

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#2050490 - 03/18/13 09:07 PM Re: Brahms 1st Piano Concerto. Yes or No? [Re: arpan70]
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From your other repertoire, I don't see any reason why it wouldn't make sense to look pretty seriously at this concerto. BTW I disagree with OSK that the notes "aren't too hard to learn."

OSK: Did you really mean that ALL the notes aren't that hard? I could understand if you meant something like, 75% of the notes aren't that hard to learn. But not 76%. grin
And certainly not 100%. Unless you're not caring at all about tempo and you're talking about someone playing at half speed or less.

Just to mention one thing that leaps immediately to mind: The descending 2-hand scales in the last mvt.

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#2050582 - 03/19/13 01:22 AM Re: Brahms 1st Piano Concerto. Yes or No? [Re: arpan70]
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I think your chamber music background makes Brahms 1 a good choice, but I think you might be surprised at how engaging the Mozarts are. Take a look at K. 271, the "Jeunehomme" (or "Jenamy") - Rosen went as far as to say it was the first unequivocal masterpiece of the Classical era. It has challenging and virtuosic writing, brilliant orchestration, constant interplay, and some of the best themes ever to be in a concerto.

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#2050760 - 03/19/13 11:10 AM Re: Brahms 1st Piano Concerto. Yes or No? [Re: arpan70]
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Well, there are some places that take more practice than others, such as the octaves.

What's the matter with the last movement? Can't play a few scales? smile

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#2050841 - 03/19/13 01:31 PM Re: Brahms 1st Piano Concerto. Yes or No? [Re: arpan70]
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Of course the answer to the question is based on personal tastes and preparation, but I would think, chamber music experience notwithstanding, that the Brahms First might not be the best choice as a "starter" concerto.

To each, however, his own.

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#2050852 - 03/19/13 01:43 PM Re: Brahms 1st Piano Concerto. Yes or No? [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C

OSK: Did you really mean that ALL the notes aren't that hard? I could understand if you meant something like, 75% of the notes aren't that hard to learn. But not 76%. grin
And certainly not 100%. Unless you're not caring at all about tempo and you're talking about someone playing at half speed or less.


Its not the notes that are hard but how they are arranged. I can play any note! grin

I can't see how attempting this as one's first concerto would not end in failure. As Bruce says "to each their own". Why not a Bach concerto? He pretty much invented the keyboard concerto!
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#2050853 - 03/19/13 01:44 PM Re: Brahms 1st Piano Concerto. Yes or No? [Re: BruceD]
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Originally Posted By: BruceD
Of course the answer to the question is based on personal tastes and preparation, but I would think, chamber music experience notwithstanding, that the Brahms First might not be the best choice as a "starter" concerto.

I don't think that's an issue, especially if it's not particularly for a performance, provided the person's ability and previous repertoire justify it. Anyway my 'starter' concerto (basically) was the Emperor, and that didn't go too badly. grin

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#2052991 - 03/23/13 03:15 PM Re: Brahms 1st Piano Concerto. Yes or No? [Re: arpan70]
arpan70 Offline
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Registered: 10/19/11
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So I might study the Brahms Concerto. Will see how it goes. It's a very addictive concerto, smile
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Beethoven: Piano Sonata No.23, Op.57 "Apassionata"
Brahms: Violin Sonata No.2, Op.100
Faure: Barcarolle No.5, Op.66
Grieg: Cello Sonata, Op.36

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