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#2052289 - 03/22/13 06:18 AM Best way to achieve tuning stability of a new piano
pinkfloydhomer Offline
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My own shortcomings as a piano tuner aside, what is the best and/or fastest way to achieve tuning stability of a new piano?

What do they do to a new concert piano or new recording studio piano?

I guess they tune it very often?
And hammer the keys hard to make the strings set?
Do they do other things? Pull on the strings etc?
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#2052352 - 03/22/13 09:08 AM Re: Best way to achieve tuning stability of a new piano [Re: pinkfloydhomer]
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I knew a tuner once who sipped on an adult beverage as he tuned. He seemed to have something in one eye as he blinked it repeatedly and told me that the beverage improved the tuning stability.

In a well made, or rebuilt piano, tuning stability is largely a function of time. I've never discovered any reliable shortcuts, and I viewed the advice of the aforementioned tuner with a bit of skepticism.


Edited by David Jenson (03/22/13 03:54 PM)
Edit Reason: grammar correction
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#2052372 - 03/22/13 09:57 AM Re: Best way to achieve tuning stability of a new piano [Re: pinkfloydhomer]
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Pianos in bars take no time at all to stabilize. Unstable ears allow for a magical transformation of infinately perfect unisons.

In all other situations, it just takes time.
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#2052393 - 03/22/13 10:48 AM Re: Best way to achieve tuning stability of a new piano [Re: pinkfloydhomer]
Monaco Offline
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Make sure the coils are tight, the beckets are pushed in, and the strings are seated.
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#2052407 - 03/22/13 11:24 AM Re: Best way to achieve tuning stability of a new piano [Re: pinkfloydhomer]
pinkfloydhomer Offline
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Heheh, good ones smile

So you guys don't do anything different if you have to tune a NEW piano very often, monthly or weekly, other than, well, tune it?
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#2052426 - 03/22/13 12:08 PM Re: Best way to achieve tuning stability of a new piano [Re: pinkfloydhomer]
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As far as I know, there's nothing different being done on concert or recording pianos other than tuning and some regulation work to get them settled in. They usually receive tunings extremely often anyway.

There are things that can be done however. First, setting the strings around the hitch and the bridge, tightening and setting the coils, stretching the strings, and raising the pitch to 442 or so on the first tuning. The combination of these things should settle things in very quickly.
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#2052429 - 03/22/13 12:09 PM Re: Best way to achieve tuning stability of a new piano [Re: pinkfloydhomer]
beethoven986 Offline
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Proper string seating can help. A Dampp-Chaser system can help. Using an ETD, tuning from A0 to C8, unisons as you go, and tuning the piano using the same file every time, and tuning it often, can help. Proper string setting technique is essential to any tuning, but unfortunately, varies in difficulty, depending on the piano.
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#2052453 - 03/22/13 12:58 PM Re: Best way to achieve tuning stability of a new piano [Re: pinkfloydhomer]
Emmery Offline
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Look at the strings where they contact and bear off the hitch pins closely. If the radius appears a little wide or there isn't full contact on the inner perimeter it can sometimes help to reduce the tension 50% and do a pinch on the wire and then pull them back up to proper pitch. An over formed (pinched) wire on a hitch pin will conform back to a neutral stressed shape much faster than one that is under formed in my experience.
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#2052561 - 03/22/13 03:49 PM Re: Best way to achieve tuning stability of a new piano [Re: Minnesota Marty]
OperaTenor Offline
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Originally Posted By: Minnesota Marty
Pianos in bars take no time at all to stabilize. Unstable ears allow for a magical transformation of infinately perfect unisons.

In all other situations, it just takes time.


I can attest to this...
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#2052563 - 03/22/13 03:53 PM Re: Best way to achieve tuning stability of a new piano [Re: Emmery]
David Jenson Online   content
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Originally Posted By: Emmery
Look at the strings where they contact and bear off the hitch pins closely. If the radius appears a little wide or there isn't full contact on the inner perimeter it can sometimes help to reduce the tension 50% and do a pinch on the wire and then pull them back up to proper pitch. An over formed (pinched) wire on a hitch pin will conform back to a neutral stressed shape much faster than one that is under formed in my experience.
Yea, good one. I forgot about that. 'Really helps. 'Funny, the little details you forget.
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#2052569 - 03/22/13 03:56 PM Re: Best way to achieve tuning stability of a new piano [Re: OperaTenor]
David Jenson Online   content
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Originally Posted By: OperaTenor
Originally Posted By: Minnesota Marty
Pianos in bars take no time at all to stabilize. Unstable ears allow for a magical transformation of infinately perfect unisons.

In all other situations, it just takes time.


I can attest to this...

I'll bet you can! Is the Shout House a bar btw?
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#2052626 - 03/22/13 05:22 PM Re: Best way to achieve tuning stability of a new piano [Re: David Jenson]
Minnesota Marty Online   content

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Originally Posted By: David Jenson
Originally Posted By: OperaTenor
Originally Posted By: Minnesota Marty
Pianos in bars take no time at all to stabilize. Unstable ears allow for a magical transformation of infinately perfect unisons.

In all other situations, it just takes time.


I can attest to this...

I'll bet you can! Is the Shout House a bar btw?

I would guess that the pianos at the Shout House are required to be very stabile, since they are in a stable.
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#2052641 - 03/22/13 05:54 PM Re: Best way to achieve tuning stability of a new piano [Re: David Jenson]
OperaTenor Offline
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Registered: 04/13/06
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Loc: Sandy Eggo, California
Originally Posted By: David Jenson
Originally Posted By: OperaTenor
Originally Posted By: Minnesota Marty
Pianos in bars take no time at all to stabilize. Unstable ears allow for a magical transformation of infinately perfect unisons.

In all other situations, it just takes time.


I can attest to this...

I'll bet you can! Is the Shout House a bar btw?


Yes. A dueling piano bar.
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#2052642 - 03/22/13 05:54 PM Re: Best way to achieve tuning stability of a new piano [Re: Minnesota Marty]
OperaTenor Offline
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Registered: 04/13/06
Posts: 2371
Loc: Sandy Eggo, California
Originally Posted By: Minnesota Marty
Originally Posted By: David Jenson
Originally Posted By: OperaTenor
Originally Posted By: Minnesota Marty
Pianos in bars take no time at all to stabilize. Unstable ears allow for a magical transformation of infinately perfect unisons.

In all other situations, it just takes time.


I can attest to this...

I'll bet you can! Is the Shout House a bar btw?

I would guess that the pianos at the Shout House are required to be very stabile, since they are in a stable.


laugh
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#2055266 - 03/27/13 06:41 PM Re: Best way to achieve tuning stability of a new piano [Re: pinkfloydhomer]
Olek Offline
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Registered: 03/14/08
Posts: 6374
Loc: France
Here is some music from Iranian stout house :



piano : Steinway wink
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