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#2053183 - 03/23/13 09:45 PM Please help me pick one of these pianos
Skoob Offline
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Registered: 04/25/07
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Loc: Indianapolis
http://www.pianosolutions.net/usedPianos/ProfessionalStudiosandUprights.htm

I can't deal with my spinet any longer. Do any of these pianos scream out, "Pick me. I'm a great piano at a great price." ?

1. I'm trying to limit my budget to $3,000. Would you buy a $3,000 piano or buy a $1,500 piano and give $1,500 to a piano tech to bring it up to speed?

2. What would you offer a dealer for a piano in this price range? 20% off? 5% off?

Thank you.

Skoob

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#2053190 - 03/23/13 10:04 PM Re: Please help me pick one of these pianos [Re: Skoob]
malkin Offline
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Registered: 04/18/09
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Go visit them. Play them. See what you like and what charms you.
I'd avoid any piano that screamed.
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#2053286 - 03/24/13 05:32 AM Re: Please help me pick one of these pianos [Re: Skoob]
miscrms Offline
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Registered: 12/29/12
Posts: 187
Loc: Phoenix, AZ
Hey Skoob! The standard advice in buying used pianos seems to be play lots, see what you like, and have a tech you trust inspect your top candidate(s). Even in new pianos there is more to it than just brand, model and price. That is greatly compounded when looking at used pianos, due to the extreme variation possible in use, maintenance and treatment over the years. Just because they are at a dealer, I wouldn't assume anything. Listen to what they say but trust your fingers, ears, and get a truly independent expert opinion on condition. That's really what determines the value of a used piano. Getting a copy of Larry Fine's "Piano Book" and his pianobuyer.com website can be helpful in learning what to look for in a used piano.

The P22s, U1, and maybe Hamilton's all seem like pretty common choices in these price ranges, but you have to be careful. Many of these pianos have seen school or other institutional use and can have seen alot of abuse. Again just because they are at a dealer don't assume they are all fixed up. I hate to say it, but particularly in this price range many dealer pianos may just be basically craigslist pianos that have been looked over, cleaned up, and marked up considerably. You could accomplish the same thing by buying direct from the original owners and having a good tech inspect and service and probably get a better deal. Its certainly less convenient than having all the pianos in one place, and the warranty may be worth something to you if the dealer has a good reputation and will be around.

You're in a different price range than we were, so hopefully some folks will chime in with more thoughts on these pianos and options in your range.

Good luck!

Rob
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#2053358 - 03/24/13 09:27 AM Re: Please help me pick one of these pianos [Re: Skoob]
Rickster Online   content


Registered: 03/25/06
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Loc: Georgia, USA
That is a nice selection of uprights! You've got to give the dealer credit for having a wide variety of brands, models and prices.

I agree with the others, you will just have to see, feel, play, listen and touch the pianos youself to know which one to choose. Only you can do that...

I honestly don't see a problem with any one of those pianos, even the Whurlitzers... smile

However, I do think the price would be (or should be) negotiable on any one of the pianos.

Good luck!

Rick

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#2053403 - 03/24/13 11:09 AM Re: Please help me pick one of these pianos [Re: Skoob]
AndyJ Offline
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Registered: 09/29/12
Posts: 219
Loc: Near Dayton, Ohio USA
I'll be darned. I didn't know the Haddorff brand name had been revived. I gave away a Haddorff baby grand last fall to make room for the 1923 Steinway O I'd been given.

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#2053419 - 03/24/13 11:25 AM Re: Please help me pick one of these pianos [Re: Skoob]
Bob Newbie Offline
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Registered: 09/02/06
Posts: 1549
I like some of the cabinet styles in the vintage section, like the Wurlitzer art deco
but pianos are not selected for the cabinets..it what's inside that counts...

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#2053422 - 03/24/13 11:31 AM Re: Please help me pick one of these pianos [Re: Skoob]
OperaTenor Offline
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Registered: 04/13/06
Posts: 2389
Loc: Sandy Eggo, California
My first candidate would be the Everett. They were known for being built like tanks, and used to be one of the three first choices for institutional use. If I liked how it played, I'd have a tech inspect it.

Beyond that, it looks like you get what you pay for, except for the Steinway (obscenely priced).
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#2053427 - 03/24/13 11:40 AM Re: Please help me pick one of these pianos [Re: Skoob]
Minnesota Marty Offline

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Registered: 05/15/12
Posts: 7439
Loc: Rochester MN
I would try the Walters first, based on personal experience. I know nothing about this dealership, so I would have no clue on the "wiggle room." I would also see what the Petrofs have to offer.

It is, indeed, a large selection.

Anyone out there have any direct experience with this dealership?
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#2053429 - 03/24/13 11:51 AM Re: Please help me pick one of these pianos [Re: Skoob]
rnaple Offline

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Registered: 12/23/10
Posts: 2107
Loc: Rocky Mountains
Bear in mind. I'm no expert. No great experience. But...

I'd sure be looking at the taller ones. Longer strings. The shorter ones strike me as an overgrown spinet. They're stretching the name: Professional Studio.

I like the idea of buying from a private party. Local. Also the same person mentioned the trade in on an upgrade might be worth some money. That is something to consider.
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#2053447 - 03/24/13 12:15 PM Re: Please help me pick one of these pianos [Re: Skoob]
Bob Newbie Offline
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Registered: 09/02/06
Posts: 1549
Just what in the heck is a "professional studio upright?" fancy terminology?
a piano that's used for teaching students? certainly it can't mean a recording
music studio piano, I'm sure Capitol records or RCA Victor or Columbia, used
a Grand piano...not an upright..

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#2053467 - 03/24/13 12:56 PM Re: Please help me pick one of these pianos [Re: Skoob]
rnaple Offline

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Registered: 12/23/10
Posts: 2107
Loc: Rocky Mountains
Bob....In recording studios. They use what gives them the sound they want. At times, the great sound of a grand doesn't cut it. They want the sound of an upright. Or you might relate to the sound of an old Ragtime piano.
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#2053468 - 03/24/13 12:57 PM Re: Please help me pick one of these pianos [Re: Skoob]
S. Phillips Offline
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Registered: 10/15/07
Posts: 299
Loc: Forte Farm, Lexington, KY
Bob, Uprights that are between 45" and 47' are referred to as studios, most likely because they are sold to teachers who use them in their studio. These pianos have a toe block that connects the leg to the case. They usually have double wheeled casters. This term is used to describe a piano that usually has a case that is made for abusive institutional use with the emphasis on durability, giving them a clunky appearance. The name has been standard in the industry for as long as I can remember.

BTW, I do know the folks at Piano Solutions, and they are straight up guys. I've been in their shop and they do a great job on prepping their pianos.
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#2053475 - 03/24/13 01:13 PM Re: Please help me pick one of these pianos [Re: Skoob]
KurtZ Offline
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Registered: 03/13/10
Posts: 928
Loc: The Heart of Screenland
I would take some of those ads/pictures with a grain of salt. What they call a one year old Pramberger with the two knobs on the pull-out music stand was last made by Young Chang about 5 years ago. The same model is made by YC as a Weber now. Samick makes different designs called Prambergers but none look like this. If it's a YC piano, MAYBE it was sold a year ago but it ain't no 6k+ piano. I bought mine in black as NOS from Hollywood Piano for 4.5k.

I found three thousand to be a funny price point. I saw lots of of 1500 pianos that were ratty looking or had blown out actions and at at $$2500+, I saw lot's of 30 year old U1s but very little else. I thought there was enough value in the new with warranty Pramberger to bump my budget.


Kurt
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#2053498 - 03/24/13 01:49 PM Re: Please help me pick one of these pianos [Re: Skoob]
Steven Y. A. Offline
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Registered: 01/14/13
Posts: 291
Loc: Toronto
Young Chang and U1 would be my choice, followed by p22.
But condition is most important.
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#2053503 - 03/24/13 01:57 PM Re: Please help me pick one of these pianos [Re: Skoob]
Bob Newbie Offline
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Registered: 09/02/06
Posts: 1549
I was referring to the word "professional" I'm sure that when someone was playing stride piano, or ragtime aka Fats Waller or Willie the Lion Smith they'd shoot for an upright
achieving that honky tonk sound..

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#2053718 - 03/24/13 10:03 PM Re: Please help me pick one of these pianos [Re: Skoob]
mahermusic Offline
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Registered: 06/08/08
Posts: 347
Loc: U.S.A.
Either of the Walters would be hard to beat on that list. If you can get the serial numbers, you (or we) can check the year manufactured. All Walter uprights come with a 12-year FULL warranty, so either of those may still be under the factory warranty.
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#2053745 - 03/24/13 11:23 PM Re: Please help me pick one of these pianos [Re: Bob Newbie]
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Originally Posted By: Bob Newbie
I was referring to the word "professional" I'm sure that when someone was playing stride piano, or ragtime aka Fats Waller or Willie the Lion Smith they'd shoot for an upright
achieving that honky tonk sound..


Either Fats or The Lion would prefer a Steinway grand.
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#2053756 - 03/25/13 12:23 AM Re: Please help me pick one of these pianos [Re: Skoob]
OperaTenor Offline
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Loc: Sandy Eggo, California
If the Everett's in good condition and you like it, it would be the best buy out the whole lot.
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#2053845 - 03/25/13 08:04 AM Re: Please help me pick one of these pianos [Re: Skoob]
Morodiene Offline
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You really are going to have to visit there and try them out. If you can't play, take someone with you who can. I see a lot of pianos on there that if I had the money in my budget I'd be all over them (I like the P22, Petrofs, Kawai).
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