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#2052223 - 03/22/13 01:12 AM Are Brodmann Pianos a True Value?
Almaviva Offline
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My entire family is pitching in to purchase a first-rate "professional size" grand piano (6-7.5 feet long) for my 13-year-old niece, who has been studying piano since she was 6 and shows great promise. We have considered a number of prominent brands - Estonia, August Forster, Grotrian, Bechstein Academy, Shigeru Kawai,and some used Steinways. All of these pianos sounded fine, but we have yet to audition a piano brand that is not nearly as well-known as the other brands - specifically, the Brodmann Professional and Artist series pianos in the 74", 84" and 89" sizes.

Like I said, Brodmann is not nearly as prestigious as the other brands we have looked at, but the prices are fantastic. I've perused the Brodmann website and listened to some salesman, and it sounds almost too good to be true - high-quality German componentry, build quality and sound at low Chinese prices.

We wish to hear from people who have played Brodmann pianos, and from technicians who have worked on them or evaluated them. We want to know whether these instruments really are the high-quality, low-price value that the salesmen are touting, or are they just typical "stencil brand" pianos backed by a lot of marketing hype?

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#2052230 - 03/22/13 01:28 AM Re: Are Brodmann Pianos a True Value? [Re: Almaviva]
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#2052240 - 03/22/13 02:21 AM Re: Are Brodmann Pianos a True Value? [Re: Almaviva]
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I've played two models of Brodmann grand at a piano dealer. I didn't spend a great deal of time with them.

To answer the subject: "are they a value?". Yes, in my opinion they are a value. My impression is that they are a good option to compare with other consumer grade pianos. I would comparison shop them with the Hailun pianos, the Yamaha G-series (and perhaps the Cs) and the Kawai RX pianos.

They are not the same level piano as an August Forster, Grotrian or Shigeru. Those are significantly more refined pianos. Touch, tone, and probably longevity are going to be better on these tier one pianos.

It may or may not be significant that they are sourcing parts stamped with "made in Germany". Shigeru Kawai apparently doesn't need to import parts from Germany to make stunning pianos. Perhaps the European parts do add to the quality (IMHO it would require a piano designer to fully answer that question), but I think it's worthwhile to realize it's also a marketing ploy.

So to summarize my opinion: They're a good value and it's a fine decision to buy one. But they're not worthy competition to a Grotrian, Shigeru or Forster.
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#2052270 - 03/22/13 05:02 AM Re: Are Brodmann Pianos a True Value? [Re: Almaviva]
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Originally Posted By: Almaviva
We wish to hear from people who have played Brodmann pianos .... We want to know whether these instruments really are the high-quality, low-price value that the salesmen are touting, or are they just typical "stencil brand" pianos backed by a lot of marketing hype?


Yes, I've played extensively on, and own a 187 Brodmann. Very good quality in build, tone and touch. Not aware of any overly marketing hype or a stencil brand status in regards to Brodmann.
Have you played one ? How did it feel ?

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#2052327 - 03/22/13 08:10 AM Re: Are Brodmann Pianos a True Value? [Re: Almaviva]
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The Brodmann is a good value in today's marketplace. If you enjoy it you can be assured that it will perform well and hold up well.

Frankly, if we did not take on the Matchless Cunningham project ( www.cunninghampiano.com/cunningham/ ), we might be Brodmann dealers. Both the Cunningham and the Brodmann are currently "Editor's Picks" in the Spring 2013 Piano Buyer.

It cannot be compared to the other brands you are considering. They are in different leagues.

Good Luck,
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#2052399 - 03/22/13 11:07 AM Re: Are Brodmann Pianos a True Value? [Re: Almaviva]
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Make an appointment to visit PianoCraft in Gaithersburg, MD

Go see and play one of their Brodmanns - which will be expertly prepped.

My guess is that you will buy it.

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#2052554 - 03/22/13 03:38 PM Re: Are Brodmann Pianos a True Value? [Re: Almaviva]
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I have played, sold, and serviced Brodmann pianos for going on six years now.

I also service Brodmanns on an ongoing basis for my clients who have been using them for as many years.

There is nothing I have seen to suggest that the pianos will not continue to hold up well, and they are very musical and much appreciated by their owners.

Unlike most other pianos, the Brodmanns I have voiced (and most of them do need some voicing) have remained stable and most have not had to be addressed again. I attribute this to the high quality of the Abel hammers, and there are a nice range of tonal palettes possible.

Also, the amount of sustain in the high treble is rather remarkable as it is seldom found to that degree on most other pianos and sometimes even on pianos costing several times more.

The attributes described above as well as the playability of the action do cause many enthusiastic pianists to embrace what Brodmann has been doing in their combined approach to produce a very musically desirable yet affordable piano.

By all means consider it with confidence and let us know what you think!

Thanks,

Nick
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#2052578 - 03/22/13 04:05 PM Re: Are Brodmann Pianos a True Value? [Re: Almaviva]
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Hi Almaviva, anything to do with Le Nozze di Figaro? wink

I service a pair of Brodmann CE-175's every week at a dueling piano bar here in Sandy Eggo. i have a thread about it in the Tuner Technician's forum: The Shout!House

I agree with what everyone else here has said. I think, for the money, they're well worth it. The pianos at the club take an unholy beating every night, and I think they're holding up well.
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#2052583 - 03/22/13 04:15 PM Re: Are Brodmann Pianos a True Value? [Re: Almaviva]
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As dealers we have only experience with the PE and Artist series pianos, especially the 5'4, 6'2 and 7' grands

Among the many owners for these pianos we have a number of local teachers, some performing at concert level.
The pianos are also used in several church and school setting, all with great success.

Brodmann is not only a very decent, but actually outstanding piano which is regularly picked by those visiting us, often having a much more expensive piano in mind.

Perhaps that's why some dealers are reluctant to carry the brand.

Once in same showroom and side by side with certain others, they can easily "screw up" a possible deal on a much more expensive piano for which client came and actually had funds...

Norbert blush


Edited by Norbert (03/22/13 04:20 PM)
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#2052730 - 03/22/13 09:36 PM Re: Are Brodmann Pianos a True Value? [Re: OperaTenor]
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Originally Posted By: OperaTenor
Hi Almaviva, anything to do with Le Nozze di Figaro? wink


Almaviva doesn't count here!
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#2052734 - 03/22/13 09:47 PM Re: Are Brodmann Pianos a True Value? [Re: Almaviva]
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Rich, that's Leporello who can count.

Now, we have only 20 to go. Twenty one if the lost score for Die Entführung aus dem Broadman is ever located.
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#2053179 - 03/23/13 09:37 PM Re: Are Brodmann Pianos a True Value? [Re: Minnesota Marty]
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Originally Posted By: Minnesota Marty
Rich, that's Leporello who can count.

Now, we have only 20 to go. Twenty one if the lost score for Die Entführung aus dem Broadman is ever located.


I would groan... but I started this, didn't I? thumb
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#2053198 - 03/23/13 10:34 PM Re: Are Brodmann Pianos a True Value? [Re: Rich Galassini]
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LOL.

Yes, Rich, you did start it! When I chose that handle, I was wondering how long it would be before somebody started cracking puns along these lines. I've enjoyed it! smile

"Le Nozze di Figaro" is my favorite opera, but somebody else had already chosen "Figaro" as their handle. So Count Almaviva was my second choice.

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#2053199 - 03/23/13 10:40 PM Re: Are Brodmann Pianos a True Value? [Re: OperaTenor]
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Yes, OperaTenor, it does. "Figaro" is my favorite opera of all, but somebody else had already chosen "Figaro" for their handle. So the Count was my second choice. wink

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#2053221 - 03/23/13 11:42 PM Re: Are Brodmann Pianos a True Value? [Re: Almaviva]
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Thanks, guys. This is the first time I have ever posted anything on this forum, and I'm really impressed by the speed with which I received replies, and how informative the replies were. I enjoyed the puns, too! thumb

I get the impression from your replies that, while the Brodmann is good value for the money, it is NOT "a Sauter for the price of a Samick". Oh well, that was wishful thinking on my part. I guess I'm still reeling from sticker shock over the prices of new performance-grade grands. We hope to audition the Brodmann for ourselves in the near future.

The Richmond area isn't exactly overflowing with high-end piano dealers - Bechstein, Petrof, Schimmel, Schulze Pohlmann, Steinway, and Charles Walter are the only first-tier brands represented here, and the local dealers have very limited selections in their inventories. We plan to go to New York within the next few weeks, where our budding virtuoso can audition all the first-rate brands either side-by-side in the same showroom, or at another dealer next door on "Piano Row". There is at least one dealer in New York that carries Brodmann pianos as well as established first-tier brands like Bechstein, Mason & Hamlin, Steinway, Yamaha CF, etc. We'll let you know how Brodmann stacks up against the high-end "usual suspects".

Thank you again.

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#2053247 - 03/24/13 12:59 AM Re: Are Brodmann Pianos a True Value? [Re: Almaviva]
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I have owned a Brodmann BG 187 for four years. I cross shopped it with Yamaha C series and Kawai RX series (among others). I preferred the sound of the Brodmann and it was significantly less expensive.

It still sounds great and I have had absolutely no problems with it.

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#2053420 - 03/24/13 11:26 AM Re: Are Brodmann Pianos a True Value? [Re: Almaviva]
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Originally Posted By: Almaviva
Thanks, guys. This is the first time I have ever posted anything on this forum, and I'm really impressed by the speed with which I received replies, and how informative the replies were. I enjoyed the puns, too! thumb

I get the impression from your replies that, while the Brodmann is good value for the money, it is NOT "a Sauter for the price of a Samick". Oh well, that was wishful thinking on my part. I guess I'm still reeling from sticker shock over the prices of new performance-grade grands. We hope to audition the Brodmann for ourselves in the near future.

The Richmond area isn't exactly overflowing with high-end piano dealers - Bechstein, Petrof, Schimmel, Schulze Pohlmann, Steinway, and Charles Walter are the only first-tier brands represented here, and the local dealers have very limited selections in their inventories. We plan to go to New York within the next few weeks, where our budding virtuoso can audition all the first-rate brands either side-by-side in the same showroom, or at another dealer next door on "Piano Row". There is at least one dealer in New York that carries Brodmann pianos as well as established first-tier brands like Bechstein, Mason & Hamlin, Steinway, Yamaha CF, etc. We'll let you know how Brodmann stacks up against the high-end "usual suspects".

Thank you again.


I for one am glad your first experience here went well. smile

FWIW, if you're going to NYC, Philadelphia's on the way, and if it was me, I wouldn't pass up a chance to visit Cunningham Piano. Also, as Rich mentioned earlier, the Cunningham is on par with the Brodmann, so it might be worth checking out.

Just a suggestion.
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#2053428 - 03/24/13 11:47 AM Re: Are Brodmann Pianos a True Value? [Re: Almaviva]
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I'm a big fan of the Cunninghams. It's definitely worth a check out.
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#2053524 - 03/24/13 02:38 PM Re: Are Brodmann Pianos a True Value? [Re: Almaviva]
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My experience with Brodmann pianos has been thoroughly mixed.

Yes, they sound good and yes, they feel good. At first.

Sadly, my piano has developed some problems a few years (4 to 5 years) down the line - the strings are breaking under the capo like nobody's business, and the action is not resilient to heavy practice loads. The keyboard bushings wore out after a little over a year. The quality of the action parts is not high, the bushings are not great and some of the glues used in my particular piano are atrocious.

Look, it's a good enough piano if you're not going to put it through too much work. It is NOT the same quality as the Yamaha C series or Kawai RX - in my opinion and experience. If you plan to use it as a piano to get you through grade exams, pre music college, and perhaps even through the first few years of conservatoire, then yes, it's good.

I'm trying to remain as balanced as possible. I chose the Brodmann because of it's sound and touch, but it's longevity under heavy use is a problem. If you want something that is going to be used a lot for concert level preparation and practice, you should look at something in the higher price range.

In my experience the bomb-proof pianos are: Steinway, Yamaha, Bluthner, Kawai, Boston, Bechstein. Bosendorfer are also pretty robust. All of these instruments cost more than the Brodmann, and the Brodmann's strength is that it is a very good sounding piano built to a price. But, a price it is indeed built to.

In fairness to Brodmann, I have been assured that there have been improvements to the pianos in the last few years. However, it is still of the opinion that Yamaha and Kawai are a better option as a professional workhorse. There are reasons why a Yamaha CF series, Steinway and Bluthner build six feet pianos for £50 to 70 000, and a Brodmann 187 costs £12,000 and it's because you simply can't build a piano of exceptional quality for that price. I'm happy to say that what they've done for that price is surprising, but caveat emptor.

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#2053590 - 03/24/13 05:06 PM Re: Are Brodmann Pianos a True Value? [Re: OperaTenor]
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Thanks, operatenor, we just might do that. laugh

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#2053606 - 03/24/13 05:37 PM Re: Are Brodmann Pianos a True Value? [Re: joe80]
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Thank you, joe80. We are looking for a piano with fine tone and touch but can also withstand decades of heavy-duty use - conservatory training, daily practice, concert preparation, the works. Your experience and the guardedly optimistic comments of several other forum contributors will be in the back of our minds when we come to a purchase decision.

One over-enthusiastic salesman I spoke to described the Brodmann PE 187 as "a Sauter for the price of a Samick", a statement obviously contradicted by your experience. We are not wealthy, and we like a bargain as well as anyone else, but we realize this is a long-term purchase.

I'll keep you posted.

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#2053618 - 03/24/13 06:15 PM Re: Are Brodmann Pianos a True Value? [Re: Almaviva]
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If you want a piano that will last a long time, and you are on a budget, go for the time honoured makes Yamaha, Kawai, Boston.

Or, if you know someone that can help you, look for something on the second hand market. As long as you have a good technician you could make a good purchase.

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#2053670 - 03/24/13 07:54 PM Re: Are Brodmann Pianos a True Value? [Re: Almaviva]
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Originally Posted By: Almaviva
One over-enthusiastic salesman I spoke to described the Brodmann PE 187 as "a Sauter for the price of a Samick", a statement obviously contradicted by your experience. We are not wealthy, and we like a bargain as well as anyone else, but we realize this is a long-term purchase.

In the world of pianos, Brodmann's are still very much the new kids on the block. For the long haul, it might be safer to purchase a lightly used (and well maintained) "Tier One-ish" brand with an established track record for durability.
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#2053673 - 03/24/13 07:59 PM Re: Are Brodmann Pianos a True Value? [Re: joe80]
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Originally Posted By: joe80
If you want a piano that will last a long time, and you are on a budget, go for the time honoured makes Yamaha, Kawai, Boston.


Time honored perhaps - and usually durable over time with proper maintenance - but still fairly expensive when purchased new. Guess it depends on one's definition of "being on a budget." grin
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#2053703 - 03/24/13 09:06 PM Re: Are Brodmann Pianos a True Value? [Re: joe80]
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Originally Posted By: joe80
Sadly, my piano has developed some problems a few years (4 to 5 years) down the line - the strings are breaking under the capo like nobody's business, and the action is not resilient to heavy practice loads. The keyboard bushings wore out after a little over a year. The quality of the action parts is not high, the bushings are not great and some of the glues used in my particular piano are atrocious.
Are any of the above considered warranty issues?

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#2053704 - 03/24/13 09:14 PM Re: Are Brodmann Pianos a True Value? [Re: Almaviva]
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Not trying to be direspectful to others or those who have made different experience, our own experience has been very different.

To claim that Brodmanns are 'like Sauters' is of course nonsense. In fact I would dare to say very few pianos out there are similar to this quite exceptional make.

At same time the Brodmanns we have sold have, to best of our knowledge, stood the test of time very well.

Among our customers and owners are several "heavy duty kids" getting ready for their study at Julliard or similar institution. So far - so good.

Those pianos which needed some attention had smaller type problems related to pedal assembly, replacing a string here or there or similar. Small stuff and done with no cost to customer.

And not one single case did we have to do extensive jobs as rebushing, refelting or similar.

The Abel hammers appear to be the right choice for the piano with owners telling us how pleased they are with tone of the piano even after many years of heavy use.

Considering the price range, there are IMHO few if any pianos that seem to offer better quality let alone "value"

Once the budget goes up, things of course will change.

Now the problem is, once you start looking at higher or "much higher" prices, other tempting choices will quickly introduce themselves.

At which time another top contender, this time perhaps from the "High Quality" tier of pianos, may be discovered as a new attractive and suddenly "attainable" possiblity. wink

So, it's really endless....

Norbert


Edited by Norbert (03/24/13 09:21 PM)
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#2053705 - 03/24/13 09:17 PM Re: Are Brodmann Pianos a True Value? [Re: Almaviva]
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In my similar search (which took four frigging years!), here's what I considered:

Yamaha C3-C7 (loved the action but could not convince myself on the tone)
Kawai RX2-RX6 with various predecessors to the RX series (2 blak was meh, bigger ones were ok)
Fully restored M&H AA (tone was more metallic than what I longed for)
Estonia L190 (did not fall in loved)
Wilh. Steinberg AC188 (liked a lot, could have been a contender)
Feurich 5'8", partially restored 9' (liked but didn't fall in love)
Falcone 7'4" From Boston, needed some action work and regulation, possibly new hammers. Strong contender.
Petrof 6'4" liked but something was missing
Schimmel K and C, liked but something was missing
Pleyel 6'3" didn't care for it
Sauter 6'1" Exquisite case but I wasn't moved
Steinways used from M to B, most of them were junky
Brodman P187 OK for the price
Baldwin M and L, I liked the Ls I played but not enough to pull the trigger
Seiler 6'1" and 6'10" my favorites but too pricey new
Steingrabers I confess I was too intimidated to even touch these

And what did I end up with? Well, some big hints are that I narrowed the search down to these four things: 1. Euro or 2.American, 3. used (since I am very tight) and 4. Big.

Also I spend nearly double what I had originally budgeted. It wasn't the thundering bass that sold me, although I liked that very much. It was the magical, creamy, rounded singing tone in the mid-treble range that made me just melt.

There are deals out there. Especially if you have cash. Don't settle until you are sure about what you want and what you don't want. The search was maddening, irritating, frustrating, lengthy, and no fun at all. But it's a process you have to go through if you want to be satisfied in the end.





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#2053707 - 03/24/13 09:22 PM Re: Are Brodmann Pianos a True Value? [Re: dsch]
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Originally Posted By: dsch

And what did I end up with?



Your profile says Steinway, so I'm going to go with that. Probably a used B.

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#2053709 - 03/24/13 09:27 PM Re: Are Brodmann Pianos a True Value? [Re: Almaviva]
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Quote:
Also I spend nearly double what I had originally budgeted.


Aha, here we go....

Norbert wink
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#2053766 - 03/25/13 01:12 AM Re: Are Brodmann Pianos a True Value? [Re: ando]
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Your profile says Steinway, so I'm going to go with that. Probably a used B.

Yes, I got a used B. We paid cash. Little brother paid for half. He was incredibly generous. But as we have lost both of our parents (one very recently) and none of us have kids, he considered it to be a way to keep the musical line going. Plus he wants me to be happy. He did the negotiating. I am not sure I could have gotten the same deal without him.

It wasn't until the B was actually in my house that he understood why I was so darned picky. Then it all became perfectly clear.

I was one of the lucky ones in that the instrument sounds way better in my house than it did in the showroom.

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