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#2056539 - 03/29/13 10:09 PM Royal Consrvatory Q
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I am working through John Thompson Book 1 and I am comfortable with the material. I thought I would get The royal Conservatory - the Celebration Series Perspectives, Piano repertoire 1, as supplementary music. It appears to be a bit more difficult than I expected.

Someone starting piano would find this difficult, so is there something else that they learn first before they start the conservatory stuff or am I missing something.

The first piece is Minuet in G Major by Haydin and in the first couple of measures, I had an octive reach and a index finger over thumb, which I can do, but musically it is a bit of reach for me at this point.

Thanks for any insight or explanation.

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#2056590 - 03/29/13 11:42 PM Re: Royal Consrvatory Q [Re: Michael_99]
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It won't be impossible for you to get through the RCM course (and exams) without a teacher, but it'll be difficult.

Clearly, "Grade 1" means different things to different people. Match up the technical demands of the RCM pieces, for its "Grade 1", against what's in your lesson books. When your lesson book has reached "crossovers" and octave reaches (whatever "grade" that is), _that_ should be when you try the Haydn.

"Learning piano" involves a balance between success and frustration. Welcome to the club!

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#2056702 - 03/30/13 06:59 AM Re: Royal Consrvatory Q [Re: Charles Cohen]
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Charles,

Thanks very much for your explanation. As you say grade one is different things to different people/books.

I am interested in the material not the exams and will blend the material as I learn it though
John Thompson. I now understand the bigger picture.

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#2056726 - 03/30/13 08:27 AM Re: Royal Consrvatory Q [Re: Michael_99]
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Also, the music is in the RCM books in chronological order and not in order of difficulty, so you wouldn't start with the first piece in the book. Unfortunately, you'd have to purchase the book or get a copy of the page that lists the order of difficulty for that level (the book costs around $50).

I would recommend that you finish the John Thompson book before getting into the RCM book. For supplemental material, you can check out Keith Snell's repertoire series. There are different books for different style periods, so select one that you like. I recommend looking at Preparatory Level or Level 1.

If you want something a bit different from the classical sound, Jeanine Yeager has a Fresh Impressions series that is made by the same publisher as Keith Snell. I really enjoy these pieces as they are musically sophisticated while not being too difficult to play. These books cost around $4-5 each.
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#2056768 - 03/30/13 10:10 AM Re: Royal Consrvatory Q [Re: Michael_99]
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I did RCM on another instrument, and have the gr. 1 series for piano (never used it). RCM is organized as a package, and the repertoire is only one part of it. If you look at the RCM syllabus you'll see what kinds of things they expect a student to learn, via what the exams cover. There is technique, which might be things like learning to play legato and staccato and knowing certain key signatures, and there is also theory and ear training. There is a technique book with studies, scales, and exercises. It doesn't have explanations like method books, because they assume a teacher will plan the studies and flesh it all out.

Your repertoire book assumes that you are also learning the technique, and the repertoire is chosen in part to cover the technique being studied. If you combine that combination with a decent teacher then you have the best of all worlds.

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#2056867 - 03/30/13 01:30 PM Re: Royal Consrvatory Q [Re: Michael_99]
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One does not begin piano with RCM level 1. There's a Preparatory level. I'd look at that book instead of level 1.
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#2056890 - 03/30/13 02:04 PM Re: Royal Consrvatory Q [Re: AZNpiano]
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Originally Posted By: AZNpiano
One does not begin piano with RCM level 1. There's a Preparatory level. I'd look at that book instead of level 1.

Yes, you are right. I started level 1 after around 3 months of rather intense work. Not piano, but it's got to be the same thing.

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#2057275 - 03/31/13 09:24 AM Re: Royal Consrvatory Q [Re: Michael_99]
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Thanks everyone for the feedback. I appreciate your thoughts on the matter.

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#2057532 - 03/31/13 08:34 PM Re: Royal Consrvatory Q [Re: AZNpiano]
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Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Also, the music is in the RCM books in chronological order and not in order of difficulty, so you wouldn't start with the first piece in the book. Unfortunately, you'd have to purchase the book or get a copy of the page that lists the order of difficulty for that level (the book costs around $50).

To add to that, there's a certain point where the things that I find difficult will be different from what you find difficult... and what everyone else finds difficult.
For example, one of my students is struggling with playing the different voices in a modern piece with a bunch of 'random' accidentals; he has a really good sense of tone but he struggles with the voices consistently. The last student who played this piece with me struggled with the accidentals.

Originally Posted By: AZNpiano
One does not begin piano with RCM level 1. There's a Preparatory level. I'd look at that book instead of level 1.

Well it depends on what material you've been doing before that. Only some of my students go through RCM's prep.

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