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#2057192 - 03/31/13 04:23 AM Schubert Serenade Op.90 No.11??
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I have the sheet music (bought in Japan) for a pretty Schubert piece marked only "Schubert Serenade". I've been wondering what the Opus or "D" numbers were, because I'd like to hear a recording of it in the The Naxos Music Library .

I came across it in The Piano Bench of Classical Music: Piano Solo (Hal Leonard) on Amazon, using the Look Inside function. It's on p.186, as Op.90 No.11. However, Op.90 is "4 Impromptus", D.899.

Here's a screen shot of the first 4 lines:
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#2057195 - 03/31/13 04:29 AM Re: Schubert Serenade Op.90 No.11?? [Re: pianozuki]
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A quick google gave the answer (I think). smile

A composer named Gustav Lange did arrangements of Schubert Lieder, and it seems the numbering that you saw is for LANGE'S stuff.

i.e. It's not Schubert's Op. 90. it's Lange's Op. 90.

(Imagine -- poor guy, he did at least 90 works.....heck, it might have been at least 900, since this opus has at least 11 in it ha ....and we never heard of him....)

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#2057207 - 03/31/13 05:30 AM Re: Schubert Serenade Op.90 No.11?? [Re: Mark_C]
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Thanks very much, Mark C.

Unfortunately there's no recording in NML.
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#2057209 - 03/31/13 05:34 AM Re: Schubert Serenade Op.90 No.11?? [Re: pianozuki]
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The original Schubert song Ständchen (Serenade) is the 4th song in the cycle Schwanengesang which is D957. (Just in case that was what you were asking. You should certainly be able to find a recording of it)
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#2057221 - 03/31/13 06:20 AM Re: Schubert Serenade Op.90 No.11?? [Re: currawong]
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Originally Posted By: currawong
....You should certainly be able to find a recording of it)

Thousands! grin

Pianozuki: What Currawong said.
This is one of Schubert's very most famous songs.....oops, "lieder." smile
But maybe you already knew that. I assumed you did, because of how famous this is.

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#2057376 - 03/31/13 01:50 PM Re: Schubert Serenade Op.90 No.11?? [Re: pianozuki]
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The Liszt transcription of Schubert's "Ständchen" is well-known and often played.

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#2057527 - 03/31/13 08:21 PM Re: Schubert Serenade Op.90 No.11?? [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C
(Imagine -- poor guy, he did at least 90 works.....heck, it might have been at least 900, since this opus has at least 11 in it ha ....and we never heard of him....)

I've played Lange's "Flower Song" and a few other character pieces.
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#2057540 - 03/31/13 08:48 PM Re: Schubert Serenade Op.90 No.11?? [Re: AZNpiano]
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Ah yes, I played "Flower Song" too (it was in a collection of popular piano music I found at a book sale).
As for Schubert, I have the original piece and Liszt's transcription.
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#2059553 - 04/05/13 01:59 AM Re: Schubert Serenade Op.90 No.11?? [Re: BruceD]
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Originally Posted By: BruceD
The Liszt transcription of Schubert's "Ständchen" is well-known and often played.

Regards,


Yes! The Naxos Music Library has several recordings of the Liszt transription. Hearing them, I wanted to try my hand(s) at the score. The score I'm thinking of buying is published by Durand and sold by SheetMusicPlus. Would that be a good one?
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#2059555 - 04/05/13 02:14 AM Re: Schubert Serenade Op.90 No.11?? [Re: currawong]
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Originally Posted By: currawong
The original Schubert song Ständchen (Serenade) is the 4th song in the cycle Schwanengesang which is D957. (Just in case that was what you were asking. You should certainly be able to find a recording of it)


No, I didn't know that the score I have is a transcription of a Schubert lieder. But I'm delighted to know that now, and have found that NML has many recordings.
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#2059748 - 04/05/13 10:19 AM Re: Schubert Serenade Op.90 No.11?? [Re: pianozuki]
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Originally Posted By: pianozuki
Originally Posted By: BruceD
The Liszt transcription of Schubert's "Ständchen" is well-known and often played.

Regards,


Yes! The Naxos Music Library has several recordings of the Liszt transription. Hearing them, I wanted to try my hand(s) at the score. The score I'm thinking of buying is published by Durand and sold by SheetMusicPlus. Would that be a good one?


This is the score that I studied. It's fine... it's printed with a hard and easy part, which is a little distracting, but the easy part goes away after a couple of pages. In some sections, the only difference between the two is how the accompanimental chords are split between the hands - the hard version asks you to do a fair amount of 3-against-2 in the same hand, which was not easy for me at first.

Good luck with it! smile

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#2059793 - 04/05/13 11:54 AM Re: Schubert Serenade Op.90 No.11?? [Re: pianozuki]
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There is also a copy (photo of an old edition) available on IMSLP

Standchen



Scroll down to the "piano solo (Liszt)" versions if you want to give it a try before purchasing it.

I have it in a Peters Edition that includes other transcriptions by Liszt of songs by Schubert, Schumann, Mendelssohn, Beethoven, etc. (Peters : Liszt, Klavierwerke, Band IX, Lieder-Bearbeitungen, catalogue No 3602a)

and in Liszt's transcription of the complete Schubert Schwanengesang and some of the Winterreise Lieder in the Edita Musica Budapest (Z. B 13 358).

Both these editions are considerably more expensive (over $40.00US each several years ago), but they do provide fairly authentic editions of so many of the well-known Liszt transcriptions of Schubert (and other) songs. Good editions to have, if you are interested in Liszt transcriptions.

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#2060339 - 04/06/13 12:12 PM Re: Schubert Serenade Op.90 No.11?? [Re: aidans]
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but the easy part goes away after a couple of pages. In some sections, the only difference between the two is how the accompanimental chords are split between the hands - the hard version asks you to do a fair amount of 3-against-2 in the same hand, which was not easy for me at first.


I didn't see any reason to play the 3v2 in the same hand. The way Liszt dispersed the notes sometimes didn't ease the clumsiness.

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#2060455 - 04/06/13 05:00 PM Re: Schubert Serenade Op.90 No.11?? [Re: BruceD]
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Originally Posted By: BruceD
There is also a copy (photo of an old edition) available on IMSLP

Standchen



Scroll down to the "piano solo (Liszt)" versions if you want to give it a try before purchasing it.

I have it in a Peters Edition that includes other transcriptions by Liszt of songs by Schubert, Schumann, Mendelssohn, Beethoven, etc. (Peters : Liszt, Klavierwerke, Band IX, Lieder-Bearbeitungen, catalogue No 3602a)

and in Liszt's transcription of the complete Schubert Schwanengesang and some of the Winterreise Lieder in the Edita Musica Budapest (Z. B 13 358).

Both these editions are considerably more expensive (over $40.00US each several years ago), but they do provide fairly authentic editions of so many of the well-known Liszt transcriptions of Schubert (and other) songs. Good editions to have, if you are interested in Liszt transcriptions.

Regards,


Great information! Thank you.

Here's the score you guided me to on IMSLP. Here.

At the Peters Edition site, your Peters Edition is now USD 71.50.

I was unable to find your Edita Musica Budapest edition.

So I'm thinking of either buying the Durand (approved by aidans), or "Liszt -- 21 Selected Piano Works (Alfred Masterwork Edition: CD Edition)" here. Can others approve the latter?


Edited by pianozuki (04/06/13 05:13 PM)
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#2060464 - 04/06/13 05:33 PM Re: Schubert Serenade Op.90 No.11?? [Re: pianozuki]
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Originally Posted By: pianozuki

I was unable to find your Edita Musica Budapest edition.


Try here, volume 21

Nearly 100 dollars, and a bit more for a cloth bound version.

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#2060512 - 04/06/13 08:19 PM Re: Schubert Serenade Op.90 No.11?? [Re: pianozuki]
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So I'm thinking of either buying the Durand (approved by aidans), or "Liszt -- 21 Selected Piano Works (Alfred Masterwork Edition: CD Edition)" here. Can others approve the latter?


For a couple of dollars more than the cost of the Durand edition, you get 20 more compositions in the Alfred Masterworks. Quite frequently, their introductory notes are somewhat cursory, but sometimes they are quite helpful. The musical text is usually quite reliable in the Alfred Masterworks; I would go with that over the Durand.

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#2060520 - 04/06/13 08:55 PM Re: Schubert Serenade Op.90 No.11?? [Re: pianozuki]
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I have the Alfred Masterworks Edition of his Impromptus and Moments Musicaux and think it is good. I think the Alfred Masterworks Editions are among the best not too expensive editions. They also stay open. smile
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#2060523 - 04/06/13 08:57 PM Re: Schubert Serenade Op.90 No.11?? [Re: Damon]
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Originally Posted By: Damon
Originally Posted By: pianozuki

I was unable to find your Edita Musica Budapest edition.


Try here, volume 21

Nearly 100 dollars, and a bit more for a cloth bound version.


I won't buy it now, at least, but I'm glad to know about Theodore Presser Company, music publisher & distributor. Thank you.
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#2060559 - 04/06/13 10:53 PM Re: Schubert Serenade Op.90 No.11?? [Re: Damon]
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but the easy part goes away after a couple of pages. In some sections, the only difference between the two is how the accompanimental chords are split between the hands - the hard version asks you to do a fair amount of 3-against-2 in the same hand, which was not easy for me at first.


I didn't see any reason to play the 3v2 in the same hand. The way Liszt dispersed the notes sometimes didn't ease the clumsiness.


I did this too, in a few cases. The way it's arranged for the hands sometimes made me think it was intended as an exercise. But it seems too beautiful for an exercise. smile

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#2060586 - 04/07/13 12:13 AM Re: Schubert Serenade Op.90 No.11?? [Re: aidans]
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Originally Posted By: aidans
Originally Posted By: Damon
Originally Posted By: aidans
but the easy part goes away after a couple of pages. In some sections, the only difference between the two is how the accompanimental chords are split between the hands - the hard version asks you to do a fair amount of 3-against-2 in the same hand, which was not easy for me at first.


I didn't see any reason to play the 3v2 in the same hand. The way Liszt dispersed the notes sometimes didn't ease the clumsiness.


I did this too, in a few cases. The way it's arranged for the hands sometimes made me think it was intended as an exercise.


I don't mind the idea of playing the polyrhythm with one hand but I'm not going to do it AND cross thumbs. smile

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#2060622 - 04/07/13 03:25 AM Re: Schubert Serenade Op.90 No.11?? [Re: BruceD]
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I've decided to buy the Alfred Masterwork Edition (with CD).

Thanks to all!
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