2022 our 25th year online!

Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 3 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments.
Over 100,000 members from around the world.
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
(ad)
Who's Online Now
38 members (benkeys, Burkhard, David Boyce, 20/20 Vision, Animisha, beeboss, Cominut, brennbaer, crab89, aphexdisklavier, 3 invisible), 1,336 guests, and 279 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3
#2056372 03/29/13 05:22 PM
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 144
M
Full Member
OP Offline
Full Member
M
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 144
Hello again

What kind of exercises do you use before Hannon ? I am looking for easy 5 finger exercises.

Thanks

MiguelSousa #2056481 03/29/13 08:28 PM
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 4,352
4000 Post Club Member
Offline
4000 Post Club Member
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 4,352
Hanon #1 is about as easy as it gets...basically 5 notes in a row, at least for the ascending (RH) and descending (LH) parts.


Blues and Boogie-Woogie piano teacher.
MiguelSousa #2056668 03/30/13 04:18 AM
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 453
B
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
B
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 453
A Dozen A Day

MiguelSousa #2056714 03/30/13 07:42 AM
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 71
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 71
How about learning the major and minor pentascales, meaning the first five notes of each major and minor scale played with fingers 12345? Good practice for incorporating sharps and flats into your exercises, and once mastered they can be played legato, staccato, forte, piano, with a crescendo, etc.

I also second the recommendation for the Dozen a Day books.


M.M., Piano performance and pedagogy
Member, MTNA and NCMTA
Ben Crosland #2057607 04/01/13 12:54 AM
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 93
R
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
R
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 93
Originally Posted by Ben Crosland
A Dozen A Day


I second the above. He is referring to Dozen a Day by Edna Mae Burnam. If you are teaching students using another method book, they correspond well with those (Level 1 of DoD with Level 1 Faber Adventures, etc).

MiguelSousa #2057783 04/01/13 01:13 PM
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,702
M
1000 Post Club Member
Offline
1000 Post Club Member
M
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,702
Before suggesting anything, one should know the purpose of the exercises.


B.A., Piano, Piano Pegagogy, Music Ed.
M.M., Piano
RachelEDNC #2057794 04/01/13 01:30 PM
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 2,651
O
2000 Post Club Member
Offline
2000 Post Club Member
O
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 2,651
Originally Posted by RachelEDNC
If you are teaching students using another method book, they correspond well with those (Level 1 of DoD with Level 1 Faber Adventures, etc).


Dozen a Day 1 does not correlate well with Faber 1--it's too advanced for a Faber 1 student. I suggest you look over the Dozen a Day series. It starts with a mini book, next level is preparatory, then Level 1.

MiguelSousa #2057997 04/01/13 07:11 PM
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 93
R
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
R
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 93
I have a few students doing Dozen a Day with Level 1 of Piano Adventures. I start them after they can already do C, G, and D scales (one octave, hands together). For most this happens about 1/3 of the way through the Faber book. This is more for students who are at least in 2nd grade (not any younger). I think technical ability can precede reading ability. Most of the dozen a day exercises, I am helping them with reading and we find patterns before beginning exercises. (I also do *most* of the rhythms by ear) The kids seem to love the books and think they are more like "big-kid" music than the Faber books.

Sorry, this is definitely dependent on the child and the teacher. I do a lot of listening and general patterned exercises with students along with just reading. I should have made this more clear. Just handing the student Dozen a Day and sending them home would probably be a bit much.

Last edited by RachelEDNC; 04/01/13 07:15 PM.
MiguelSousa #2058012 04/01/13 07:54 PM
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 57
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 57
Not to beat a dead horse, but I second Dozen a Day. The progression of the series is excellent.

Last edited by pianoSD; 04/01/13 07:54 PM.
pianoSD #2060528 04/06/13 09:07 PM
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 39
P
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
P
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 39
I have also had very good luck with the Dozen a Day books. Depending on the child, I have done a page or 2 a week, or as much as an entire group at one time.

In between Dozen a Day books I usually work in major and minor 5 finger patterns, scales, and arpeggios.

For slower students who struggle with note reading, I have also had luck with the Finger Power series- I have them say the note names as they play them.

MiguelSousa #2060532 04/06/13 09:26 PM
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 997
500 Post Club Member
Offline
500 Post Club Member
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 997
Skip the Hanon all together and go with Alexander Peskanov's Russian Technical Regimen. Some more difficult for the beginner but still plenty of practical studies that you will see in a lot of the music you play. While his regimen is nothing new and I'm sure you could scavenge up everything in the book or even write it down yourself but for the money and time it's worth it because it's nicely layed out with fingering throughout and very detailed instructions. Have yet to see anything that remotely resembles Hanon exercises in any serious piece of music. I'm sure Hanon doesn't hurt, just not a big help for me. Kinda like doing aerobics if you plan on running marathons, much better to just jog...




MiguelSousa #2060552 04/06/13 10:22 PM
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,702
M
1000 Post Club Member
Offline
1000 Post Club Member
M
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,702
One shouldn't teach technique one isn't familiar with.


B.A., Piano, Piano Pegagogy, Music Ed.
M.M., Piano
Minniemay #2061086 04/08/13 12:48 AM
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 450
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 450
Originally Posted by Minniemay
One shouldn't teach technique one isn't familiar with.

Well you've gotta start somewhere... and experiment once in a while. How else will you grow as a teacher, pianist, and human being?

Bluoh #2061092 04/08/13 01:40 AM
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 19,678
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 19,678
Originally Posted by Bluoh
Originally Posted by Minniemay
One shouldn't teach technique one isn't familiar with.

Well you've gotta start somewhere... and experiment once in a while. How else will you grow as a teacher, pianist, and human being?

Not by experimenting on a student, I would hope.

Miguel Rey #2061104 04/08/13 02:26 AM
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 2,087
M
2000 Post Club Member
Offline
2000 Post Club Member
M
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 2,087
Originally Posted by Miguel Rey
go with Alexander Peskanov's Russian Technical Regimen. Some more difficult for the beginner but still plenty of practical studies that you will see in a lot of the music you play. While his regimen is nothing new and I'm sure you could scavenge up everything in the book or even write it down yourself but for the money and time it's worth it because it's nicely layed out with fingering throughout and very detailed instructions.


Who publishes this collection?


Pianist and Piano Teacher
keystring #2061107 04/08/13 02:32 AM
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 2,087
M
2000 Post Club Member
Offline
2000 Post Club Member
M
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 2,087
Originally Posted by keystring
Originally Posted by Bluoh
Originally Posted by Minniemay
One shouldn't teach technique one isn't familiar with.

Well you've gotta start somewhere... and experiment once in a while. How else will you grow as a teacher, pianist, and human being?

Not by experimenting on a student, I would hope.

Experimenting is an interesting word.
For me it kind of conjures the image of wierd lab experiments with rats and monkeys.

Staying with the scientific analogy, Medical Doctors call their work "practicing" medicine. I think that's a better term.

Each student is a unique individual, and sometimes the educational plan succeeds best by adjusting to that unique individual. I consider that part of "practicing" the art of teaching.


Pianist and Piano Teacher
MiguelSousa #2061191 04/08/13 08:42 AM
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 19,678
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 19,678
Minniemay had said that one should not teach technique that one is not familiar with. Depending on what is meant by "technique", I agree with this. Your medical "practitioner" has studied medicine, and then had an internship where he/she observed other doctors, and was observed. There should be understanding of how technique works and how the body works before setting out to teach, or you can hurt someone, or if not that, create future problems.

If you do have that knowledge, you still need to "experiment", using what you know, to help students since each person is different. But the knowledge should be there. That is what I am agreeing with.

MiguelSousa #2061203 04/08/13 09:31 AM
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,702
M
1000 Post Club Member
Offline
1000 Post Club Member
M
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,702
Technique is a hands-on physical thing. If the book is trying to introduce new physical things, it's best to work with someone who has experience with them. A book cannot teach this adequately on its own.

It seems that so many teachers are looking for the right book to do the teaching. It's not the books -- it's the teacher. A book is only a medium.


B.A., Piano, Piano Pegagogy, Music Ed.
M.M., Piano
musicpassion #2061210 04/08/13 10:13 AM
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 4,555
T
4000 Post Club Member
Offline
4000 Post Club Member
T
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 4,555
Originally Posted by musicpassion
Originally Posted by keystring
Originally Posted by Bluoh
Originally Posted by Minniemay
One shouldn't teach technique one isn't familiar with.

Well you've gotta start somewhere... and experiment once in a while. How else will you grow as a teacher, pianist, and human being?

Not by experimenting on a student, I would hope.

Experimenting is an interesting word.
For me it kind of conjures the image of wierd lab experiments with rats and monkeys.



For me the image is more of paying careful attention over a period of time to what seems to work and what doesn't. We know from design of science experiments that memory tends to be selective, sometimes extremely so, and that keeping good records can greatly assist this process. It takes a while to become a skilled teacher partly because you need to watch a student develop over time, but partly because you need to have experience with many different individuals who react in different ways, and you don't get all types the same year.


gotta go practice
keystring #2061213 04/08/13 10:16 AM
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 4,555
T
4000 Post Club Member
Offline
4000 Post Club Member
T
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 4,555
Originally Posted by keystring
Your medical "practitioner" has studied medicine, and then had an internship where he/she observed other doctors, and was observed.


I bolded a piece of the snip from keystring.

I would suggest being observed is the single most beneficial thing one could add to speed the process of gaining teaching mastery. And, one of the most threatening!


gotta go practice
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3

Moderated by  platuser 

Link Copied to Clipboard
What's Hot!!
Piano World Has Been Sold!
--------------------
Forums RULES, Terms of Service & HELP
(updated 06/06/2022)
---------------------
Posting Pictures on the Forums
(ad)
(ad)
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Country style lessons
by Stephen_James - 04/16/24 06:04 AM
How Much to Sell For?
by TexasMom1 - 04/15/24 10:23 PM
Song lyrics have become simpler and more repetitive
by FrankCox - 04/15/24 07:42 PM
New bass strings sound tubby
by Emery Wang - 04/15/24 06:54 PM
Forum Statistics
Forums43
Topics223,385
Posts3,349,183
Members111,631
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010

Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations |

Advertise on Piano World
| Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map


Copyright © VerticalScope Inc. All Rights Reserved.
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5
When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community.