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#2058315 - 04/02/13 01:29 PM Questions about Guild
Cardinal201 Offline
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Registered: 08/19/12
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I originally posted in the thread on skipping levels, but realized I should probably have started a new topic instead...

Could someone tell me what kind of repertoire corresponds to the various elementary levels of Piano Guild Auditions, e.g. does EA = primer?, EB = level 1?, etc. My little guy will be attending for the first time this June, and I don't understand the distinction between all the levels... His teacher has said she would like to enroll him at the Elementary Special level--how does that correspond to levels A through F? Is it something in addition to, e.g. EB Special, or in lieu of, e.g. ES?

My son's teacher has been a bit vague when I've tried to ask her these questions. Any information would be much appreciated, thank you in advance!

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#2058332 - 04/02/13 02:26 PM Re: Questions about Guild [Re: Cardinal201]
John v.d.Brook Offline
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Elementary Special (ES), Intermediate Special (IS) and Preparatory Special (PS) are all reserved for students who are playing repertoire considerably above grade level.

For example, a 3rd grade student who is playing Intermediate level repertoire would be enter as ES.

I have a second grader who is right now on the border of elementary and intermediate levels, but I have entered him as EE. Next year, I will enter him as ES.

He is doing the easiest of the AMB dances, pre-Clementi sonatinas, etc.

Your teacher has a Syllabus from Guild which clearly spells this out. Trust her! There is a very clear repertoire guidance section in the Syllabus. Ask her to see it, so you can get a better grasp on what's happening.
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#2058360 - 04/02/13 03:21 PM Re: Questions about Guild [Re: Cardinal201]
Cardinal201 Offline
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Thank you, John! I will ask to see the repertoire guidance section of the Guild syllabus.

I'm curious as to why a student would be entered in ES as opposed to EF or IA. Is it it because his musicianship skills are less advanced than his repertoire? For example, can a student enter at level ES, International and perform 3 musicianship phases at a elementary level and 12 pieces at an intermediate level?

Or is ES just a designation relative to age, e.g. playing a minimum number of levels above school grade?

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#2058448 - 04/02/13 08:55 PM Re: Questions about Guild [Re: Cardinal201]
John v.d.Brook Offline
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The Guild, like both CM and MTNA, is a very old organization and who today knows the hows and why criteria have been set the way they have? My suspicion is that back when the Guild was founded, 1929, virtually all upper class families, most middle class homes and aspiring lower class families had a piano, and for children back then, learning to play was part and parcel of the rite of passage. Tracking the school system's grade progression was probably a natural thing to do, thus EA through EF, to match grades 1 - 6 and IA through IF to track grades 7 - 12. Any student reaching IF can play the vast majority of "social music" which would certainly include accompanying church choirs and congregations (and yes, even in the 50s, a major of folks were church goers), club and social events, etc. As a student in the late 40's and 50's, every one of my elementary school teachers could and did play the piano, and there were actual, real bonafide pianos in every class room, and teachers were expected to have the students sing as part of the music curriculum.

Most people didn't go to college back then, in fact, many people didn't even graduate from high school, so perhaps, as I suggested, the wide spread of Intermediate levels was formulated to take the average student through to high school graduation, if their family could afford to keep the student enrolled in lessons. The Preparatory level was most likely (and I'm speculating here) for that small group of students who were on what was then called the college track, and were in fact above average academically, able to handle the more rigorous curriculum. The four Preparatory levels took the student to real mastery. BTW, the term Preparatory, was actually still in use in the 1950s for high school tracks which were preparing students for college entrance. We were required to take a year of Latin plus gain some fluency in a Romance language. Math every year was mandatory, as was a year of Biology, Chemistry, and Physics.

Even today, only a small percentage of my "serious" students make it much past PA or PB, which indicate to me that these levels were reserved for the pre-conservatory student, at least for the most part.
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#2058454 - 04/02/13 09:25 PM Re: Questions about Guild [Re: Cardinal201]
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So John you mean here is the level of guild:
EA
EB
EC
ED
EE
EF
IA
IB
IC
ID
IE
IF
PA
PB
Total of 14 levels?
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#2058475 - 04/02/13 11:10 PM Re: Questions about Guild [Re: ezpiano.org]
John v.d.Brook Offline
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Loc: Olympia, Washington, USA
Originally Posted By: ezpiano.org
So John you mean here is the level of guild:
EA
EB
EC
ED
EE
EF
IA
IB
IC
ID
IE
IF
PA
PB
Total of 14 levels?

PC, PD, CA, CB, CC, CD, CPG (college, post grad or Young Artist)

21 levels all together.
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#2058477 - 04/02/13 11:15 PM Re: Questions about Guild [Re: John v.d.Brook]
John v.d.Brook Offline
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Loc: Olympia, Washington, USA
I should probably add that passing PB or PC is probably sufficient skill to get into some music schools, but passing PD, and there's also a Prep Diploma, which is more rigorous than PD, but at the same level, will provide the student enough skill to gain admittance at most college music programs. And dare I say it, but most grads with a ba/bs in music performance would find the CD or CPG challenging.
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