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#2057690 - 04/01/13 08:59 AM Happy Birthday, Rachmaninoff!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I better practice the 1st sonata today...

(Wow, just remembered that I had a dream I had to perform it TOMORROW...........)
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#2057699 - 04/01/13 09:38 AM Re: Happy Birthday, Rachmaninoff!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Pogorelich.]
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And on April Fool's Day, no less :-P hope you're back in Mother Russia in the afterlife, Sergei!

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#2057878 - 04/01/13 03:57 PM Re: Happy Birthday, Rachmaninoff!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: AldenH]
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Happy Birthday, Sergei! Thank you for everything you gave this world.

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#2057892 - 04/01/13 04:21 PM Re: Happy Birthday, Rachmaninoff!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Happy birthday to a composer that has grown immensely on me the past couple years!! One of the greatest!

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#2057921 - 04/01/13 05:11 PM Re: Happy Birthday, Rachmaninoff!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Happy Birthday, Sergei!
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#2057940 - 04/01/13 05:32 PM Re: Happy Birthday, Rachmaninoff!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Pogo, I'll really be interested in hearing your recording of the Rachmaninoff 1st Sonata, because I'll be damned if I can figure out what all the shouting's about -- WAY too much work for the esthetic payoff. I first heard the work in performance by Yakov Kasman, and, as wonderful a pianist and interpreter as he is, my initial reaction then was -- much ado about not very much. At the last Chicago Amateur Competition, one contestant presented the first movement in the 2nd round, and (IMO) deservedly made it into the final round to play the entire piece. An enormous technical accomplishment -- but I confess I remained unmoved by the music. As expressive a pianist as you are, I'll be truly interested in hearing how you make music out of that.

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#2057944 - 04/01/13 05:35 PM Re: Happy Birthday, Rachmaninoff!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Happy Birthday sir, may you continue to inspire!
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#2057952 - 04/01/13 05:47 PM Re: Happy Birthday, Rachmaninoff!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Pogorelich.]
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A favourite of mine and of my partner. Almost brings me to tears.
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#2057980 - 04/01/13 06:25 PM Re: Happy Birthday, Rachmaninoff!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Pogorelich.]
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What do you mean music out of "that"? Haha! The first and second movements are full of poetry! But you have to live the piece, you have to know how to make it sound simpler... Even the third movement has poetic moments - fragments that occur from the previous movements, and the coda is phenomenal! Completely Faustian, even if Rachmaninoff "discarded" the idea throughout composing it.

It's easy to make it sound like virtuosity with no substance, but that's not what it is...

Much deeper than the 2nd sonata I think.
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#2057983 - 04/01/13 06:29 PM Re: Happy Birthday, Rachmaninoff!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Pogorelich.]
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HAPPY BIRTHDAYYY RACHMANINOFF!!!!

And Pogorelich., omg yes I must hear you play Rach when I visit!
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#2057987 - 04/01/13 06:36 PM Re: Happy Birthday, Rachmaninoff!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Pogorelich.]
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HA no way... I just picked it up today a bit after no touching it for weeks.... too much accompanying crap!
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#2058058 - 04/01/13 10:00 PM Re: Happy Birthday, Rachmaninoff!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Tim Adrianson]
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Originally Posted By: Tim Adrianson
Pogo, I'll really be interested in hearing your recording of the Rachmaninoff 1st Sonata, because I'll be damned if I can figure out what all the shouting's about -- WAY too much work for the esthetic payoff. I first heard the work in performance by Yakov Kasman, and, as wonderful a pianist and interpreter as he is, my initial reaction then was -- much ado about not very much. At the last Chicago Amateur Competition, one contestant presented the first movement in the 2nd round, and (IMO) deservedly made it into the final round to play the entire piece. An enormous technical accomplishment -- but I confess I remained unmoved by the music. As expressive a pianist as you are, I'll be truly interested in hearing how you make music out of that.


Have you ever heard Ogdon play it?
Even better, have you explored it yourself? I learned(ish) the first movement last summer and it is unbelievable. Honestly, I think the technical challenges aren't as demanding as those of the second sonata, (at least the original version), haha.

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#2058076 - 04/01/13 10:43 PM Re: Happy Birthday, Rachmaninoff!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Orange Soda King]
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Originally Posted By: Orange Soda King
Have you ever heard Ogdon play it?
Even better, have you explored it yourself? I learned(ish) the first movement last summer and it is unbelievable. Honestly, I think the technical challenges aren't as demanding as those of the second sonata, (at least the original version), haha.


Um... Have you ever tried to perform the entire thing, or even just the first movement? Put together it makes the second sonata (at least the revised) a child's play..... That and, I used to literally use the first mvt of the 2nd sonata as a warm up before practicing the first haha
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#2058081 - 04/01/13 10:54 PM Re: Happy Birthday, Rachmaninoff!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Happy birthday!!!

Always adored this piece:


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#2058082 - 04/01/13 10:55 PM Re: Happy Birthday, Rachmaninoff!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Pogorelich.]
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I seriously think the length itself makes it more difficult...
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#2058217 - 04/02/13 09:38 AM Re: Happy Birthday, Rachmaninoff!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Orange Soda King]
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OSW, if the Ogdon performance is on YouTube, I may very well have a complete listen -- he has a combination of immense power and poetic vision that just might turn my head around regarding the First Sonata. In the interests of full disclosure, I was never much a fan of the Second Sonata, either -- but, again, at the Chicago Amateur Competition, another contestant provided a meltingly beautiful performance that changed be opinion considerably. So, it IS possible to win me over!

Incidentally, the Madison Symphony Orchestra and Chorus is providing a performance of "The Bells" this weekend -- that's one I've never heard, and I'm looking forward to it, because I think Rachmaninoff is especially good at choral music.

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#2058393 - 04/02/13 05:32 PM Re: Happy Birthday, Rachmaninoff!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Tim Adrianson]
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Happy Birthday, Sergiuszu Wasiljewiczu Rachmaninowie! (Polish writing wink

There's film about him on YT - Harves of sorrow - not directed very interestingly, but you can hear a lot of things about him and see him smile

Non plus ultra for everybody:

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#2058419 - 04/02/13 06:57 PM Re: Happy Birthday, Rachmaninoff!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: didyougethathing]
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Originally Posted By: didyougethathing
Happy birthday!!!

Always adored this piece:


Ah I have that piece on a BBC Music CD alongside a Stravinsky piece. Superb.
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#2058437 - 04/02/13 07:45 PM Re: Happy Birthday, Rachmaninoff!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: kapelli]
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Originally Posted By: kapelli
Happy Birthday, Sergiuszu Wasiljewiczu Rachmaninowie! (Polish writing wink

There's film about him on YT - Harves of sorrow - not directed very interestingly, but you can hear a lot of things about him and see him smile

Non plus ultra for everybody:


That cadenza never fails to send shivers down my spine whenever I hear it played with all guns blazing, as here. grin
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#2058439 - 04/02/13 07:58 PM Re: Happy Birthday, Rachmaninoff!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Tim Adrianson]
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Originally Posted By: Tim Adrianson
OSW, if the Ogdon performance is on YouTube, I may very well have a complete listen -- he has a combination of immense power and poetic vision that just might turn my head around regarding the First Sonata...

...So, it IS possible to win me over!


Let's see... smile


Pogo, it's been a while and I honestly haven't touched the 2nd sonata (either version). So I guess I don't know for myself, but I've also heard a couple pianists say the first isn't as hard for them as the second. But difficulty is subjective often times, I guess?

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#2058443 - 04/02/13 08:29 PM Re: Happy Birthday, Rachmaninoff!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Pogorelich.]
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I think that the first sonata is more driven - it certainly "digresses" less than the second sonata, and all three movements are almost "perpetual movement" type of pieces with lots of textures everywhere.

I like the first sonata a bit more...but how can one not love the middle movement of the second? Such gorgeous melodies and harmonies..
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#2058476 - 04/02/13 11:11 PM Re: Happy Birthday, Rachmaninoff!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Orange Soda King]
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Originally Posted By: Orange Soda King


Pogo, it's been a while and I honestly haven't touched the 2nd sonata (either version). So I guess I don't know for myself, but I've also heard a couple pianists say the first isn't as hard for them as the second. But difficulty is subjective often times, I guess?


Totally... or it's also possible I got worse since 4 years ago when I first played the 2nd, haha! (entirely plausible)
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#2058561 - 04/03/13 06:09 AM Re: Happy Birthday, Rachmaninoff!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: didyougethathing]
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Originally Posted By: didyougethathing
Happy birthday!!!

Always adored this piece:



Probably my favourite Rachmaninoff piece, along with the third concerto.

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#2058563 - 04/03/13 06:27 AM Re: Happy Birthday, Rachmaninoff!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: pianojosh23]
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I performed the Trio Elegiaque in G minor last Thursday (3/28) with a cellist and vionlist, and we intended it to be in honor of Rachmaninoff's birthday (a few days early). As we did some last minute research for some program notes, we realized that March 28 was actually the day he died, rendering our choice of repertoire altogether more appropriate, if a little macabre. It was a startling discovery, in any case.

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#2058757 - 04/03/13 02:21 PM Re: Happy Birthday, Rachmaninoff!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Orange Soda King]
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Originally Posted By: Orange Soda King
Originally Posted By: Tim Adrianson
OSW, if the Ogdon performance is on YouTube, I may very well have a complete listen -- he has a combination of immense power and poetic vision that just might turn my head around regarding the First Sonata...

...So, it IS possible to win me over!


Let's see... smile


Pogo, it's been a while and I honestly haven't touched the 2nd sonata (either version). So I guess I don't know for myself, but I've also heard a couple pianists say the first isn't as hard for them as the second. But difficulty is subjective often times, I guess?

Amazing piece!!
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#2058898 - 04/03/13 08:35 PM Re: Happy Birthday, Rachmaninoff!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Hello.
I would like to know if the quote at the end of your post is your own, or who said it. Thank you,
Barbara
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#2058966 - 04/03/13 11:54 PM Re: Happy Birthday, Rachmaninoff!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Music Me]
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Originally Posted By: Music Me
Hello.
I would like to know if the quote at the end of your post is your own, or who said it. Thank you,
Barbara


whose?
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#2059020 - 04/04/13 03:41 AM Re: Happy Birthday, Rachmaninoff!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Pogorelich.]
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I suspect she was referring to the quote in your signature, Pogorelich. Or possibly LarryStone's.

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#2059048 - 04/04/13 04:58 AM Re: Happy Birthday, Rachmaninoff!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Just finished a late night practice of this masterpiece by the man himself. Gorgeous beyond belief, and makes me far to emotional at 2 in the morning, whew!

http://youtu.be/s4VfctSrZv8
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#2059060 - 04/04/13 06:11 AM Re: Happy Birthday, Rachmaninoff!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: aidans]
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Originally Posted By: aidans
I suspect she was referring to the quote in your signature, Pogorelich. Or possibly LarryStone's.

I'm confused!
Oh and its Shone not Stone wink
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