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#2057521 - 03/31/13 08:09 PM How long did it take to finish Alfred's Adult Course Book 1?
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And how many hours did you put in a week?

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#2057584 - 03/31/13 11:17 PM Re: How long did it take to finish Alfred's Adult Course Book 1? [Re: pianotimo]
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It takes as long as it takes.
Are you in a hurry?
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#2057587 - 03/31/13 11:32 PM Re: How long did it take to finish Alfred's Adult Course Book 1? [Re: pianotimo]
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If I can remember correctly about 7 months. But I practiced at least 2 hours a day. The first third goes fast and then things slow down. I have no natural talent, so I have to work twice as hard to get half as far.

Take your time, learn it well, get a good foundation and you will build mighty sounds. It will pay off with a lifetime of great music.

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#2057597 - 04/01/13 12:26 AM Re: How long did it take to finish Alfred's Adult Course Book 1? [Re: Mark...]
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It didn't take me long to get through book one but I already knew most of the pieces from taking lessons a long time ago. Book 2 is another story (no pun intended). I'm struggling, going back and forth between a few books to hold my interest. La Raspa ATM is a chore.

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#2057633 - 04/01/13 02:41 AM Re: How long did it take to finish Alfred's Adult Course Book 1? [Re: pianotimo]
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Originally Posted By: pianotimo
And how many hours did you put in a week?


In the beginning, I practiced 3 hours a week, maybe 4. I think since you had trumpet lessons for 3 years as a child, you already can read music and should be able to cruse through book 1 fairly rapidly. I would not be at all surprised if you are able to finsih it in 3 months, especially if you have good coordination. Piano is really easy in the beginning, unlike a wind instrument. But it does get harder in grade 3 to 4.
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#2057649 - 04/01/13 04:57 AM Re: How long did it take to finish Alfred's Adult Course Book 1? [Re: pianotimo]
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It took me 5 months, practicing between half an hour and an hour a day, but I skipped a few songs I didn't like. Looking back, I should have lingered a bit longer on some parts.
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#2057686 - 04/01/13 08:36 AM Re: How long did it take to finish Alfred's Adult Course Book 1? [Re: pianotimo]
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It took me nearly a year but I studied theory at the same time (having no previous music ed) I became terribly bored with the constant "folk" songs but they all had a purpose wrt different techniques so I slogged though it anyways and glad of it now. Book 2 started out as a rehash of the same and not very rewarding until about halfway through it I still return to it occasionally.
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#2057687 - 04/01/13 08:36 AM Re: How long did it take to finish Alfred's Adult Course Book 1? [Re: pianotimo]
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It has taken me about 6mths. I practice about an hr a day. I hope to start Book 2 next week. I have lessons today.
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#2057840 - 04/01/13 03:09 PM Re: How long did it take to finish Alfred's Adult Course Book 1? [Re: pianotimo]
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I think it has taken me about 8 months, split into two separate periods of time. Most recently I've been playing about 4 months, with a 2 year break before that when I was not playing. I do not polish all the pieces to performance level, but for the most part have the rhythm and song to a point where I feel I have learned the lesson.

It would be interesting if people would comment on how well they polished the songs in the book, as a factor in the overall time they spent. It may be that some people that move on quickly are leaving the songs less polished than others, like me.

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#2058077 - 04/01/13 10:45 PM Re: How long did it take to finish Alfred's Adult Course Book 1? [Re: pianotimo]
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It took me 8 weeks. I used it in a community college 8 week group piano course. When I started with a private teacher, first thing she did was toss it in the circular file. From then on it was Bach, Burgmuller, etc.
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#2058142 - 04/02/13 03:23 AM Re: How long did it take to finish Alfred's Adult Course Book 1? [Re: malkin]
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Originally Posted By: malkin
It takes as long as it takes.
Are you in a hurry?


I <3 this reply (and wish pianoforums supported likes or upvotes).

I... wish to sit down at the piano and have beautiful, flawless music just flow out of me.

It don't.

So what's a musician?

If you define it as the set of elite people who sit an instrument and intuitively understand it and hone it to expert levels through years of diligent work, you end up with a vanishingly small subset.

If you define it as stubborn people who sit at their instrument because they can't not sit at it, despite all evidence that they will never be part of that elite and who, through diligence, end up being able to play music from such effort, then the subset is much larger.

It takes what it takes. Hours don't matter and hours do matter. You don't want unproductive hours. But even if your hours are productive, you definitely need hours.

The "how long" question isn't constructive. Either you pursue it with whatever mindfulness your nature permits or you don't. It takes the time it takes.
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#2058167 - 04/02/13 06:45 AM Re: How long did it take to finish Alfred's Adult Course Book 1? [Re: Whizbang]
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Originally Posted By: Whizbang
Originally Posted By: malkin
It takes as long as it takes.
Are you in a hurry?


I <3 this reply (and wish pianoforums supported likes or upvotes).

I... wish to sit down at the piano and have beautiful, flawless music just flow out of me.

It don't.

So what's a musician?

If you define it as the set of elite people who sit an instrument and intuitively understand it and hone it to expert levels through years of diligent work, you end up with a vanishingly small subset.

If you define it as stubborn people who sit at their instrument because they can't not sit at it, despite all evidence that they will never be part of that elite and who, through diligence, end up being able to play music from such effort, then the subset is much larger.

It takes what it takes. Hours don't matter and hours do matter. You don't want unproductive hours. But even if your hours are productive, you definitely need hours.

The "how long" question isn't constructive. Either you pursue it with whatever mindfulness your nature permits or you don't. It takes the time it takes.


Yes!!! What whizband said!!!

I honestly can't remember how long it took me. But the piano has taught me to enjoy the journey and not focus on the destination. There's always another destination to travel to anyway.
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#2058189 - 04/02/13 08:19 AM Re: How long did it take to finish Alfred's Adult Course Book 1? [Re: pianotimo]
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I completely disagree with those who say the OP shouldn't worry about how long it takes. For many people, setting specific goals is an integral part of their learning and achievement process. Now of course, people come to the table with different experiences and strengths as well as different responsibilities (which can determine how much time one has each day for practice). But asking how long it takes an average person to get to some milestone is not an unreasonable question. It's a question that if answered can help someone set a reasonable goal.

In fact, many very successful people attribute much of their success to setting very specific goals, writing them down, and reviewing them often. For many people, that's something that can help them to maintain motivation. And if they're not getting closer to their goal, it gives them feedback that they need to change their approach.

People want to say that it's the journey not the destination, but for some a journey is simply a series of destinations, each of which can be enjoyed in turn.

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#2058209 - 04/02/13 09:13 AM Re: How long did it take to finish Alfred's Adult Course Book 1? [Re: fizikisto]
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Originally Posted By: fizikisto
I completely disagree with those who say the OP shouldn't worry about how long it takes. For many people, setting specific goals is an integral part of their learning and achievement process.


Time and goal setting are two different topics. Setting goals is important. But this is not a race, such that everyone needs to hit page 50 in four weeks. It may take someone eight weeks or more to cover the same material. There are so many variables.

I caution anyone when comparing themselves to others. Progress is an individual process. You see this everyday in the classroom or at the piano bench at a piano teacher's house.

In my opinion, the quality of practice and physical and mental development is vastly more important than trying to finish a book in the same amount of time as others.
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#2058313 - 04/02/13 01:28 PM Re: How long did it take to finish Alfred's Adult Course Book 1? [Re: pianotimo]
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Okay I'm going to be the bad kid. It took me 3 years at least. Now, I have health issues, didn't practice and my teacher and I took a lot of detours. I do wish I had been more focused, but I am now.



Edited by KBS1607 (04/02/13 01:28 PM)
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#2058321 - 04/02/13 01:43 PM Re: How long did it take to finish Alfred's Adult Course Book 1? [Re: pianotimo]
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I can understand the question since it's one I had in my mind when I got the book (I actually bought the 3 levels at the same time, a proof I was confident in my desire to learn). I think it's a legitimate question, it doesn't meant you plan on rushing through the course or you see it as a chore you have to accomplish, an unpleasant but necessary step.
There are plenty of good reasons for asking it:
- If you are new to music and you have no clue how to read it, then you want to know because the last pages look scary.
- If you are a bit "older", you want to know because you are aware of the fact that this is very easy stuff compared to the music you dream of playing one day and you start to wonder if you won't have to ask to the guy with the hammer not to close your the coffin because you are just a few months away from playing the Goldberg...
- If you learn on your own you want to know (especially if you are not used to self-teaching) because checking how you do in comparison to the other student is a reflex you acquire during your study and it's often how you evaluate how well you study.

But it's a very hard question to answer because the answer will depend on a lot of factors:
- Previous experience with music.
- If you learn by yourself, are you used to teach yourself things (if you are, you know how your brain works and it really helps)
- If you have a teacher, it will also depend on how good she/he is (yes, some are very good, some are very bad)
- How efficiently the study hours are (there has been a lot of discussion about that, books have been written... and it's true an hour is not a reliable measurement, not as a meter or a foot would be)

In the end, what matters is starting the journey, enjoy it as much as possible, and when the path is step, when it rains (figuratively), remember that this aimless journey has a lot of wonderful landscapes to see, and even if the most remote ones are supposed to be the most beautiful ones too, don't forget to look at them all, you might discover hidden treasures smile
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#2058571 - 04/03/13 07:24 AM Re: How long did it take to finish Alfred's Adult Course Book 1? [Re: pianotimo]
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pianotimo, if you're going teacher-less you might want to have a look at Graham Fitch's website http://practisingthepiano.com, there's plenty to learn even without buying his ebooks. It will boost your practice 'productivity' big time.
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#2058681 - 04/03/13 12:14 PM Re: How long did it take to finish Alfred's Adult Course Book 1? [Re: fizikisto]
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Originally Posted By: fizikisto
I completely disagree with those who say the OP shouldn't worry about how long it takes. For many people, setting specific goals is an integral part of their learning and achievement process. Now of course, people come to the table with different experiences and strengths as well as different responsibilities (which can determine how much time one has each day for practice). But asking how long it takes an average person to get to some milestone is not an unreasonable question. It's a question that if answered can help someone set a reasonable goal.

In fact, many very successful people attribute much of their success to setting very specific goals, writing them down, and reviewing them often. For many people, that's something that can help them to maintain motivation. And if they're not getting closer to their goal, it gives them feedback that they need to change their approach.

People want to say that it's the journey not the destination, but for some a journey is simply a series of destinations, each of which can be enjoyed in turn.

Warm Regards

I think, in that case, you've missed the point of many posts, and certainly mine. If one is so concerned with how much time something will/should take, and so concerned with goal-setting in order to measure and maximize achievement, one should get a teacher. It will reduce the time and greatly enhance the results.
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#2058833 - 04/03/13 05:17 PM Re: How long did it take to finish Alfred's Adult Course Book 1? [Re: Plowboy]
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Originally Posted By: Plowboy
It took me 8 weeks. I used it in a community college 8 week group piano course. When I started with a private teacher, first thing she did was toss it in the circular file. From then on it was Bach, Burgmuller, etc.


Sorry to hear you're only allowed to play boring stuff now.. smile

Took me thirteen months.

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#2058867 - 04/03/13 06:30 PM Re: How long did it take to finish Alfred's Adult Course Book 1? [Re: pianotimo]
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Derulux,
Are you trying to suggest that people who don't have access to a good teacher are incapable of learning to play the piano and should just give up? Because it seems that you're suggesting that they are incapable of seeking ways to improve and be more efficient, or to set goals which is essentially the same thing. If that's what you think, I think you're terribly wrong. Of course, working with a good teacher is going to help someone progress faster than working without one. If that's your meaning, it's incredibly arrogant of you to suggest that someone who simply can't get a good teacher (for whatever reason) is wasting their time (which is clearly the implication of your suggestion that they shouldn't seek ways to improve if they don't have a teacher).

And by the way, The original question, and my comments about goal setting, are perfectly valid even if one has a teacher. Of course if the OP (or anyone else) has a teacher, they can ask their teacher about what progress rate is reasonable to expect, but perhaps they want a second opinion to see if their teacher's approach is typical compared to the approach others usually take. If my teacher told me it would take two years to get through a particular method book when most people get through it in less than a year (everything else being equal), I might be concerned about my teacher's approach. That doesn't mean the teacher's approach is wrong by the way, but it would be something worth talking about with them.


Warm Regards


Edited by fizikisto (04/03/13 06:32 PM)
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#2058873 - 04/03/13 06:48 PM Re: How long did it take to finish Alfred's Adult Course Book 1? [Re: pianotimo]
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I started lessons at age 56 in late September last year, having absolutely no previous knowledge of music or the piano. I am on page 67 (of 95) of the Level One book. When my teacher gave me the book, I had originally set a goal to finish it by the time lessons stop for the summer in June, but that probably isnt going to happen now. I'm moving along through the accompanying basic theory and sight reading books. I have not yet revised that goal, but I am thinking that I should be able to finish sometime this fall. That may depend on how much time I'd like to spend working on Christmas music.

For what its worth, I'm also trying to learn to play the comparable songs in Alfred's basic adult Country, Sacred, All Time Favorites, and Duet books. Some of them are considerably more difficult for me and just take me longer to learn. I cant use the word "master" because I'm not certain that I do, before moving on.

I practice between 30-60 minutes per day, at least 5-6 days per week.

Being that I'm older, I've been looking to gain proficiency quickly, and make hay while the sun shines, but I havent found that silver bullet yet. Please pardon the poor use of metaphors.

Hope that helps.

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#2058881 - 04/03/13 07:21 PM Re: How long did it take to finish Alfred's Adult Course Book 1? [Re: fizikisto]
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Originally Posted By: fizikisto
Derulux,
Are you trying to suggest that people who don't have access to a good teacher are incapable of learning to play the piano and should just give up? Because it seems that you're suggesting that they are incapable of seeking ways to improve and be more efficient, or to set goals which is essentially the same thing.

Why is it that people always try to infer what you mean, instead of simply reading what you wrote? I wrote exactly what I mean, without inference.

If you are concerned with how fast you are going to learn something, there is no faster way to learn it than with a teacher. If you are concerned with how well you learned something, there is no better way to check than by getting a teacher. So, if you're looking for "the best possible measuring system" to improvement, step one is getting a good teacher.

If you're more concerned with the journey than the goals, then the question is entirely irrelevant.
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#2058985 - 04/04/13 12:55 AM Re: How long did it take to finish Alfred's Adult Course Book 1? [Re: pianotimo]
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I found the responses interesting, with a range of three months to three years. The median is about at 9 months for those that worked consistently towards the goal. I am guessing that this likely skews short of the real world because slower folks tend to be less likely to post on a message board. It is mostly enthusiasts that post online. So perhaps one year would seem a realistic target for a true beginner willing to commit to one hour per day. Though of course, some people will be faster, some will be slower, with the faster people more likely to report.

I'm not sure what the original poster is going to do with the information, but I found it interesting.

Going back a year ago, to when I started, I had little desire to do a method book. I probably would have boosted the average time had I gone that route, because I tend to take a long time to learn pieces.
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#2059030 - 04/04/13 04:20 AM Re: How long did it take to finish Alfred's Adult Course Book 1? [Re: fizikisto]
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Originally Posted By: fizikisto
Derulux,
Are you trying to suggest that people who don't have access to a good teacher are incapable of learning to play the piano and should just give up?


I'm going out on a limb here and saying no, that's obviously not what he meant - and probably also no to the rest of your proceeding questions, which I didn't bother to read.

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#2059081 - 04/04/13 07:35 AM Re: How long did it take to finish Alfred's Adult Course Book 1? [Re: Bobpickle]
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I have Alfred's books 1 and 2 with the CD, but I can't find Level 3 with the CD. Is it even available?

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#2059100 - 04/04/13 08:14 AM Re: How long did it take to finish Alfred's Adult Course Book 1? [Re: pianotimo]
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Derulux,
You wrote "If one is so concerned with how much time something will/should take, and so concerned with goal-setting in order to measure and maximize achievement, one should get a teacher." The clear implication of that statement is that anyone who doesn't have a teacher shouldn't be concerned with maximizing their achievement, setting goals, or having any kind of benchmark with which to compare their progress (i.e. knowing how long something should take). Whether you intended it or not, I think your comments are insulting to those people who don't have a teacher. Not everyone can afford a teacher, or has a work schedule that lets them have a teacher, or even live in areas where good teachers are available. Just because someone doesn't have a teacher doesn't mean that they're not serious about their learning (i.e. wanting to find other ways to maximize their achievement). And regardless of whether they have a teacher or not, many people will be helped with their motivation by meeting realistic goals. If one doesn't have a teacher (again, something that simply may not be possible for some people), they may find it useful to ask others about their experiences to help them set reasonable goals. And, even if they do have a teacher, they may simply want to assess their teachers style, to see if their progress under that teacher is comparable to other people. Not every teacher is a good teacher, and a beginner may not have enough knowledge to tell the difference. So knowing how other people progress might be useful under some circumstances even if someone does have a teacher. So I found the OP's question to be perfectly reasonable.

Now, I have no desire to get into a flame war with you over this. I'm happy to agree to disagree. I was rubbed the wrong way by your opening statement that I must have misunderstood many posts rather than simply disagreeing with them. What I wrote above explains how I found the rest of your post additionally insulting. So I was a bit put off when I responded, and my response to you had more snark than it should have. I apologize for that. I should not post responses when I'm annoyed. Or at least I should insert a hypothalamic pause before doing so.

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#2059104 - 04/04/13 08:19 AM Re: How long did it take to finish Alfred's Adult Course Book 1? [Re: pianotimo]
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fcescgb,
I don't think a CD is available for the Alfred's level three. If there is, I've never seen it either. However, if you search on youtube for Alfreds plus the name of the piece, I think you'll find several recordings of how each song is played. While some of those recordings may be imperfect, they can at least give you an idea of how the piece should sound.

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#2059209 - 04/04/13 10:50 AM Re: How long did it take to finish Alfred's Adult Course Book 1? [Re: pianotimo]
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All I know is if I converted my piano practice time into college time I'd have a couple of Phd's by now, or even an MD. laugh


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#2059248 - 04/04/13 11:41 AM Re: How long did it take to finish Alfred's Adult Course Book 1? [Re: fizikisto]
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Originally Posted By: fizikisto
Derulux,
You wrote "If one is so concerned with how much time something will/should take, and so concerned with goal-setting in order to measure and maximize achievement, one should get a teacher." The clear implication of that statement is that anyone who doesn't have a teacher shouldn't be concerned with maximizing their achievement, setting goals, or having any kind of benchmark with which to compare their progress (i.e. knowing how long something should take). Whether you intended it or not, I think your comments are insulting to those people who don't have a teacher. Not everyone can afford a teacher, or has a work schedule that lets them have a teacher, or even live in areas where good teachers are available. Just because someone doesn't have a teacher doesn't mean that they're not serious about their learning (i.e. wanting to find other ways to maximize their achievement). And regardless of whether they have a teacher or not, many people will be helped with their motivation by meeting realistic goals. If one doesn't have a teacher (again, something that simply may not be possible for some people), they may find it useful to ask others about their experiences to help them set reasonable goals. And, even if they do have a teacher, they may simply want to assess their teachers style, to see if their progress under that teacher is comparable to other people. Not every teacher is a good teacher, and a beginner may not have enough knowledge to tell the difference. So knowing how other people progress might be useful under some circumstances even if someone does have a teacher. So I found the OP's question to be perfectly reasonable.

Now, I have no desire to get into a flame war with you over this. I'm happy to agree to disagree. I was rubbed the wrong way by your opening statement that I must have misunderstood many posts rather than simply disagreeing with them. What I wrote above explains how I found the rest of your post additionally insulting. So I was a bit put off when I responded, and my response to you had more snark than it should have. I apologize for that. I should not post responses when I'm annoyed. Or at least I should insert a hypothalamic pause before doing so.

Warm Regards

No worries; I think I know the genesis of your ire. (And don't worry about flame wars--I don't do that.)

It seems, based on your response, that you're under the impressions that many people (including me) said, "It is impossible to see progress without a teacher." Not so. It is entirely possible. But if you want the best progress, with the highest possible results, step one would be to hire a professional to train you.

Similar arguments:
You want to sculpt your body into a more athletic figure. Best way to do it is to hire a personal trainer who can coach you on how to do it.

You want to learn how to cook. Sure, you can throw some slop on your stove and go at it solo, but the best way is to take cooking classes. (I'm a slopper on this one. grin )

You want to learn how to dance. Pull up YouTube and spin around in the privacy of your room, or go to a dance studio for professional lesson?

Can you do it by yourself? Yes. But if you're really concerned with goal-setting, achievement, maximizing results, and minimizing time, you should seriously consider investing in a professional trainer (teacher, coach, etc).

If you're not in it to reach that ultimate, top, highest potential, then yes, you can do it on your own. You may even be very successful at it, but you won't reach your peak potential going it solo, and you will certainly be at a disadvantage if, some day, you wish to compete against others who've had those years of training.

Now that we've gotten all of that out, I do want to address the first part of your reply:
Quote:
You wrote "If one is so concerned with how much time something will/should take, and so concerned with goal-setting in order to measure and maximize achievement, one should get a teacher." The clear implication of that statement is that anyone who doesn't have a teacher shouldn't be concerned with maximizing their achievement, setting goals, or having any kind of benchmark with which to compare their progress (i.e. knowing how long something should take).

The clear implication is what I've said above: that if you want to reach your ultimate peak potential, you should get professional training. Otherwise, you're a power lifter who can't afford weights so you lift rocks instead. Will you see results? Yes. Will you see peak results? No.

This is why I say the question is irrelevant: there are too many variables. Even with a professional trainer (teacher), there are dozens of variables. Now, without that coaching, you have no way to measure your own ability, particularly from a technique standpoint. So, everyone says, "It should take three months." Okay, so the person learns the notes in three months and thinks they're on track. But they could be so far out in left field technique-wise that they may cause injury to themselves, or may not be able to progress any further than they've just come. Now, when they move on to "step 2", they may find they have to go back to "step 1".

And that is just one example of one of the many variables that stand in the way.

If you want to measure your progress, most people can't do it themselves (particularly at the beginning). This isn't the long jump, where you can place a stick in the sand and see if you jump past the stick on your next attempt. This is art. And you can't objectively measure your own art, or your own technique to produce that art--unless you already know what it is you're trying to quantify and measure. Further, when you don't see the results you want to see, you will have no direction with which to determine what actions to take in order to see improvement.

I would also like to add that, next time, before you think someone is intentionally (or unintentionally) trying to offend you, consider that anyone who responds to a post is, in most cases, trying to help. You may not like what they have to say, but when you at least consider that they're trying to help, it takes some of the fire out of your stress levels. smile
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#2059265 - 04/04/13 11:59 AM Re: How long did it take to finish Alfred's Adult Course Book 1? [Re: fizikisto]
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Registered: 04/01/13
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Loc: Chicago, IL
Originally Posted By: fizikisto
fcescgb,
I don't think a CD is available for the Alfred's level three. If there is, I've never seen it either. However, if you search on youtube for Alfreds plus the name of the piece, I think you'll find several recordings of how each song is played. While some of those recordings may be imperfect, they can at least give you an idea of how the piece should sound.

Warm Regards


Thank you fizikisto !
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