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#2132563 - 08/14/13 12:14 AM Re: All about Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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the fp80 is perhaps the best value of any piano today. it is not inferior to the 700-nx which is often assumed. even the speakers sound good which is a rarity.

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#2132830 - 08/14/13 02:25 PM Re: All about Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: VPianoIsKing]
Anjru Offline
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Oops. Brain fart, pardon my French. I meant the keybed on the kawai is quieter. It's got a little more felt for cushioning is why. Are the overtones as apparent or even threre if the sound is through monitors instead of through the on board speakers? Anyone?

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#2132858 - 08/14/13 03:40 PM Re: All about Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
toddy Offline
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Off Topic: how come Anjru is allowed to say 'fart' but I'm not allowed to say the opposite of heaven (it comes out as 'heck' here)? This is not fair.....plus the indiscriminate use of this word (FART in case anyone missed it the first or second time round) has completely spoiled my supper. Rank inconsideration!

There are some extraordinary prohibitions and caps on word usage these days online. Ironic really when you think about it, isn't it? There was an article in the Economist a few years ago now, where the author said that people had objected to the newspaper's use of words such as 'niggard' and 'spic & span'. Totally absurd.
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#2132871 - 08/14/13 04:21 PM Re: All about Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: toddy]
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Originally Posted By: toddy
There was an article in the Economist a few years ago now, where the author said that people had objected to the newspaper's use of words such as 'niggard' and 'spic & span'. Totally absurd.


Niggardly has been a persistent problem in our language, causing lots of undue problems in recent years. It's a relatively rare word and people unfamiliar with it think it's related to the racial slur. It comes from a completely different root, actually.


Edited by gvfarns (08/14/13 04:22 PM)

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#2132890 - 08/14/13 05:37 PM Re: All about Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
toddy Offline
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Yes, that's right (niggardly is an old English word from Scandinavian, apparently) and it is understandable that it causes some embarrassment, I suppose.

Be that as it may, I strongly object to this general tendency - in the US & UK - not so much in Europe - to treat certain words as taboo as if the word itself is somehow evil. It isn't: people are - or rather, people can have malicious intentions or a heart full of hatred. Words are neutral, and banning them doesn't help anything. It just makes people angry and real racists and sexists stew dangerously in their own juice.
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#2132891 - 08/14/13 05:39 PM Re: All about Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
toddy Offline
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ps, I'm delighted to see we're allowed 'fart' without being censored.
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#2132898 - 08/14/13 05:51 PM Re: All about Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: toddy]
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#2132905 - 08/14/13 06:08 PM Re: All about Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
Petro Offline
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I haven't heard any superfluous overtones (or even farts) after a couple of weeks of playing. Using Tannoy monitors mostly I can't even imagine what's it like.
And yes, the ES-7 keybed is softer if it is the right word, more cushioning indeed. But I can't say it's quieter, I think the loudness is the same, but with the higher frequency of the bump-tone.
I also think the PHA-III "hard bottom" feeling is related to that nice push-out you get while fast strong passages, so it couldn't be avoided. It can be felt like unnatural without sound on (or SuperNatural?))) but you'll forget of it as soon as you turn it on.
FP-80 is good really for me so far.


Edited by Petro (08/14/13 06:10 PM)

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#2132909 - 08/14/13 06:18 PM Re: All about Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
toddy Offline
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Sounds good, Petro. It's nice they've slightly reduced the noise of the PHAIII keyboard, while retaining the feel. I was in a music shop today, trying various dps - the Roland HP503 definitely had the best feeling keyboard as far as I'm concerned - Yamaha GH and Kawai (as well as the cheaper Yammy GHS and Roland G-Feel) are relatively gluey. So there we go - just confirms my prejudices when I make these trips to the shops! smile
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#2132932 - 08/14/13 07:21 PM Re: All about Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: toddy]
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Maybe i was allowed to write brain fart Because right afterwards I said pardon my French?

Once a bot eliminated my cocktail and turned it into just tail. A little embarrassing for a first date request.

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#2132952 - 08/14/13 08:12 PM Re: All about Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
toddy Offline
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Gosh, yes! .....it ran like this, did it: 'My dearest Martina, you will be amazed with my homemade tail (which, though I say it myself, packs one helluva punch). But you will find all this out when I gladly demonstrate for you at the bar tonight'

Those bots have got a nerve.
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#2134193 - 08/17/13 05:12 AM Re: All about Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
Petro Offline
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Well... Finally I got the overtone too in my FP-80. All of a sudden on the middle C#... sounded as an obvious glitch. I think it happens if some mysterious parameters of SN synthesis just coincide in some special way.
No problem at all though - it would disappear as soon as I just change the settings from piano to others and then back.

I got a second chance to A/B the FP-80 and the ES-7 yesterday. I would call the action of ES-7 again as very good and quite close to acoustic. And FP-80 as very good and ... SPECIAL. It IS faster in passages and more responsive in nuances,.. so it suits me fine. Considering the difference in price (in Europe) I've been torturing myself in hesitations for possible outrageous expenses since I bought the FP-80...
Just happy now.

So, if you are in the torments of choice - never believe to anyone (me too) - try both actions yuorself for as long as possible before deciding, they are very different and both are worth to try. The right choice is really depending on your skill and needs.

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#2135089 - 08/18/13 10:44 PM Re: All about Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
Todd Bellows Offline
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Review of the Roland FP80.

"Nice for the price"

Tim has a grudge against Roland.

http://azpianonews.blogspot.ca/2013/08/r...west-price.html


Edited by Todd Bellows (08/18/13 10:45 PM)

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#2135117 - 08/18/13 11:49 PM Re: All about Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Todd Bellows]
Tritium Offline
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Registered: 06/19/13
Posts: 179
Loc: Western MA, USA
Originally Posted By: Todd Bellows
Review of the Roland FP80.

"Nice for the price"

Tim has a grudge against Roland.

http://azpianonews.blogspot.ca/2013/08/r...west-price.html


I am somewhat puzzled by your assertion that the website/owner you linked to has some type of grudge against Roland, given his favorable review, and these closing comments:

Quote:
If you want a fun, easy to use, good sounding, nice feeling digital piano with a variety of useable, high quality features in a well made compact cabinet at a reasonable price, I would definitely recommend the Roland FP80, which is offered in both a satin black and satin white finish.


Sorry, I just don't see it.

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#2135121 - 08/19/13 12:01 AM Re: All about Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Todd Bellows]
Kawai James Offline
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Originally Posted By: Todd Bellows
Tim has a grudge against Roland.


May I ask why you feel that?

Having read Tim's review, it seems to be an honest account of a very good digital piano.

Cheers,
James
x

EDIT: Tritium beat me to it. wink
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#2135206 - 08/19/13 06:46 AM Re: All about Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Kawai James]
Petro Offline
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Originally Posted By: Todd Bellows
Tim has a grudge against Roland.


May I ask why you feel that?

May I answer too? )))

I agree with Todd - the review is subjective and provocative. It has a direct link in its body to ES-7 review where we find what? " ES7 is a winner for its size, price range, and features..." etc etc...
I would've believed to Tim's honesty, the choice is subjective indeed, but that link betrayed his intrusive command "the best of the best is ES-7". And the link is placed in the beginning of the article, which is absolutely inexplicable for an independent author.

Rather tricky isn't it? These days one should read carefully the "independent reviews" as well, trying all the options himself ALWAYS whatever they push him to buy...


Edited by Petro (08/19/13 07:26 AM)

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#2135210 - 08/19/13 07:09 AM Re: All about Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
toddy Offline
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This is, for Tim Praskins, an extremely favourable review for a Roland instrument. With the last generation of Roland pianos, he gave withering reviews. If I had taken much notice of them, I wouldn't even have tried Roland's stuff. It was a similar story with that London based bloke - UK Pianos: Rolands are overpriced and terribly noisy, and only ever just ok in terms of sound (except RD700NX). But he doesn't like Kawai either - only Classenti and Yamaha.
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#2135213 - 08/19/13 07:23 AM Re: All about Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: toddy]
Petro Offline
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Well, we shouldn't blame them,.. moreover, having noticed the strange behavior of some reviewers we pushed to find out more by own experience and as a result to obtain the free choice in fine.

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#2135251 - 08/19/13 09:15 AM Re: All about Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Petro]
toddy Offline
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Originally Posted By: Petro
Well, we shouldn't blame them


Perhaps we shouldn't but we just have: 'subjective and provocative', you said, 'withering', I said. I don't see the problem in nailing your colours to the mast. These guys are canny operators.
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#2135271 - 08/19/13 10:08 AM Re: All about Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: toddy]
Petro Offline
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Originally Posted By: toddy
These guys are canny operators.
)) I think they are not anymore.
I mean, being so obviously biased they do more of a hindrance than a help to their favorites and help us to understand the roots of that cunning business, so... forewarned is forearmed.

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#2135293 - 08/19/13 10:48 AM Re: All about Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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I read Tim Praskins review, and would say that it is one of the least biased and most objective reviews he has put out there, given that he usually tries to steer you toward the brands/models he can (presumably) sell and make the most profit from.

I totally agree with him about the issue with the accompaniments, which are generally superb, but which use the lowermost note you play to compute the bass note on the first beat (rather than analyzing the chord/inversion and providing an option for the system to select the root). Fortunately, I don't need accompaniments, but their overall sophistication surprised me.

The only phrase I would take issue with is this one: "I wish Roland had put their best PHAIII key action (which has some upgraded improvements) on the FP80" This strikes me as flannel, and indicates that the writer lacks any real knowledge in this area. What "upgraded improvements" are there in PHAIII? Has he swallowed the Roland marketing pill? Doesn't he know that Ivory-S is a version of PHAIII? Unfortunately, it's statements like this that are shot through Mr. Praskin's reviews and make me doubt his claim to be an "expert piano adviser." I would trust the opinions of many forum members before that of a salesman.

That aside, I would say that, if you're not interested in an analysis or comparison of the actual piano sounds and their technical implementation, the review is fair and balanced.
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#2135351 - 08/19/13 12:08 PM Re: All about Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: voxpops]
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I agree, the actions' statements are sketchy and perfunctory. IMHO he also exaggerated the -G action disadvantages by that "it is sluggish & noisy and it's better to spend more money (or even less) on something that will be a better longer term investment"
Gosh...Longer term investments?

I haven't tried the FP-50' for long enough to observe it thoroughly, but it is anyway not worse than ... say PX-5S' + Roland' usual price&quality.


Edited by Petro (08/19/13 12:11 PM)

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#2135359 - 08/19/13 12:19 PM Re: All about Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: voxpops]
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He makes it pretty clear that he like the ES7 over the FP80 if you read the comments below under the ES7 review:

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#2135380 - 08/19/13 12:37 PM Re: All about Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Petro]
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Originally Posted By: Petro
I agree, the actions' statements are sketchy and perfunctory. IMHO he also exaggerated the -G action disadvantages by that "it is sluggish & noisy and it's better to spend more money (or even less) on something that will be a better longer term investment"
Gosh...Longer term investments?

I haven't tried the FP-50' for long enough to observe it thoroughly, but it is anyway not worse than ... say PX-5S' + Roland' usual price&quality.

Yes, I was a little surprised that he thinks the G action is noisy; I don't think it's much worse or better than most DP actions in that respect, and it feels a little better cushioned than the FP-7F's action (I haven't played the 80). As for the sluggishness that some describe, the G action requires more effort to play than some actions, and doesn't feel quite as fluid as the action in the PX-5S, but it actually responds better/faster, IMO. It's not my favorite action, but it's not a bad compromise for a smaller, lighter chassis.

As for the "longer term investment", I didn't spot that first time around, but yes, if only! Lol!!! Actually, given the relative demand for the old FP-4 over the FP-7, I would say the reverse is true. The lightweight FP-4, with its compromised "alpha" action still commands a good price, whereas you can hardly give the FP-7 (with PHAII) away.
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#2135383 - 08/19/13 12:40 PM Re: All about Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Marko in Boston]
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Originally Posted By: Marko in Boston
He makes it pretty clear that he like the ES7 over the FP80 if you read the comments below under the ES7 review:


I think that's OK if it's in the comments section, and he's expressing an honest personal opinion. Everyone's bound to have a preference. You just need to be aware of the sales-driven bias that creeps into most of his reviews. As far as this one goes, it's really not too bad.
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#2135436 - 08/19/13 01:42 PM Re: All about Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Praskins is not always so kind of competition to his favorite pets, Kawai and Casio. He trashed the Korg SP280 in a review in april.


Edited by Todd Bellows (08/19/13 01:43 PM)

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#2135500 - 08/19/13 03:14 PM Re: All about Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Todd Bellows]
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I think folk were expecting more from Korg with the 280. . .
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#2135540 - 08/19/13 04:49 PM Re: All about Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Todd Bellows]
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Originally Posted By: Todd Bellows
Praskins is not always so kind of competition to his favorite pets, Kawai and Casio. He trashed the Korg SP280 in a review in april.


Todd, I am not saying that the website owner (Praskins?) doesn't have biases. I am just saying that the particular review that you selected does not support your claim of a negative bias against Roland. In fact, this specific review is quite positive of the Roland FP-80, and gives it a glowing recommendation.

Certainly, there may exist other reviews on his site in which a case might be made against Praskins's objectivity and impartiality...but this is not one of them.

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#2135586 - 08/19/13 06:21 PM Re: All about Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Tritium]
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In England the Fp-80 is nearly £400 more expensive than the ES7. The Fp-50 costs about the same as the ES7. Yamaha P-155 also costs about the same as the ES7.

There all Japanese companies so not sure why it is that Kawai's prices over here are so much better than Roland and especially Yamaha compared to the US.

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#2135759 - 08/20/13 04:16 AM Re: All about Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Tritium]
Petro Offline
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Originally Posted By: Tritium
I am not saying that the website owner (Praskins?) doesn't have biases.

Originally Posted By: Tritium
In fact, this specific review is quite positive of the Roland FP-80, and gives it a glowing recommendation.

This coincidence obviously means the fact FP-80 is just great )))
Really, whats bad in there against the ES-7? It is not easy to be biased here...

I spent lots of time hesitating between those two, and the difference in action weighed down the balance even with EU prices, but... I think for the price difference I would go for ES-7 if the action was the same with no look to SN and VH and more styles and whatever.

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