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#2059388 - 04/04/13 04:15 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: torhu]
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Originally Posted By: torhu
Maybe it is, but all I can find is the phrase "essential organ tones".

Watch the FP-80 video, and you'll see a caption overlaid that mentions the tonewheel sim. The 80 also includes the rotary effect.
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#2059393 - 04/04/13 04:20 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Marko in Boston]
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Originally Posted By: Marko in Boston
Originally Posted By: torhu
I wish Roland would hire someone with slightly better communcation skills to write their damn ads, though.


Kawai James a.k.a "Roland James".... just a thought ;-)


Well ..."our" KJ is probably very busy finishing up the new MP manuals at te moment in time for the Messe. Seems the FP' s need some more competition. I'm curious what will materialize from Kawai, Yamaha, Korg coming week. Roland has been underwhelming so far...

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#2059416 - 04/04/13 05:15 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: JFP]
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Originally Posted By: JFP
I'm curious what will materialize from Kawai...


- New 'GX' series of grand pianos
- New 'CS' series of luxury digital pianos
- New 'CA15' entry-level piano-oriented digital piano
- New 'VPC1' virtual piano controller

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#2059422 - 04/04/13 05:31 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Originally Posted By: JFP
I'm curious what will materialize from Kawai...


- New 'GX' series of grand pianos
- New 'CS' series of luxury digital pianos
- New 'CA15' entry-level piano-oriented digital piano
- New 'VPC1' virtual piano controller

Cheers,
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You forgot
- New 'MP' series of stage pianos

That's ok, we will wait with bated breath. Now please go back to finishing up those MP manuals for next week ;-)
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#2059426 - 04/04/13 05:37 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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...from Kawai, .....Yamaha AND Korg coming week.

And perhaps Roland kept a secret product update for the show itself (Fantom series long overdue).

But it could very well be all wishful thinking...hardware development doesn't seem to provide many surprises any more these days. Just slow - small incremental steps. Only surprising new boy in town is VPC1 in the Kawai family.

And perhaps PX5S will do a lot in the stage portable range - however tried PX150/ 350 and 850 today and I wasn't very impressed coming from Roland, Kurzweil, Kawai and previously the old Korg (with Yamaha keybed). Biggest advantage is weight. AP doesn't impress me despite all the AIR marketing talk. The keys are not bad , but really no match for the better Rolands , Yammies and Kawais. Pitty they don't have the PX5 on display yet. Would love to compare it to the other Casio's. Keys seem to vary in sturdiness depending on the cabinet they are in. Px850 felt much more sturdy and better than the same (?) keybed in the PX150 - which wobbles and clicks too much - perhaps due to the light, thin and cheap plastic case it is in.

@James: CS series is very nice by the way. Unfortunately just a 'little' bit above my budget. Especially CS10 - beautiful...


Edited by JFP (04/04/13 05:38 PM)

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#2059427 - 04/04/13 05:38 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: voxpops]
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Originally Posted By: voxpops
Watch the FP-80 video, and you'll see a caption overlaid that mentions the tonewheel sim. The 80 also includes the rotary effect.


Cool. I can see the tonewheel editor on the display, too.
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#2059434 - 04/04/13 05:46 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Has the effects engine on the FP-80 been improved?

I recall that the FP-7F wasn't terribly flexible in this regard - no options to select different effects etc.

James
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#2059440 - 04/04/13 05:58 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Well , delivery is still 13 weeks off (according to sites) and there's no manual yet, so we have to guess about that. My feeling says it's probably the same as the FP7F in terms of effects (and almost everything else). Improvements really seem to be only SN EP's , speakers and "Airplay" . No new AP , no 256 polyphony , no other fancy things to brag about. The FP7F was a good product, the FP-80 probably still is, but it doesn't impress in the list of improvements / changes / additions so far. Few extra sounds here, some design tweaks there and the rest mostly marketing talk. For new buyers just fine. For FP7F owners I see hardly any reason to upgrade...

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#2059442 - 04/04/13 06:03 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Has the effects engine on the FP-80 been improved?

It looks very similar to the FP-7F, except that you can adjust modulation speed for (presumably) existing non-selectable effects on certain tones. That is a small but welcome improvement, although a depth control would be more useful, IMO.

The Piano Designer, Rotary, EQ and Ambience (Reverb???) effects seem to be very similar to those in the 7F.

Quote:
I recall that the FP-7F wasn't terribly flexible in this regard - no options to select different effects etc.

To put it mildly...
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#2059443 - 04/04/13 06:09 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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There is only one question: does it have Studio Grand?

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#2059447 - 04/04/13 06:14 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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You know, I really liked the FP-7F as a home instrument. I could live with its minor sonic shortcomings because the PHAIII action connected so well with the SN sound engine. I sold it recently partly because I couldn't abide its EPs, and partly because the lack of editable or controllable effects (for non AP sounds) was extremely limiting.

Going back to the Nord Piano gave me what I needed in one package (although I had to purchase new speakers). But despite the beautiful Fazioli and Bosendorfer samples, the NP can't compete with the seamless way the SN engine translates velocity information. I'd love another Roland SN product, but am doubtful as to whether the FP-80 has sufficient to make it worth it for me.
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#2059456 - 04/04/13 06:30 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: xorbe]
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Originally Posted By: xorbe
There is only one question: does it have Studio Grand?


this
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#2059552 - 04/05/13 01:56 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Why, why why???
Why can't the keyboard industry take it's consumers a little more serious?
I mean, come on, if you are a musician who performs every so often, then you should know what's going on.

Roland: " The convenient rear-panel jack lets you connect an external mic and sing along with your performance..."
Who would really hook up a microphone (with a 1/4 inch jack) to his keyboard in a live situation. Isn't it quite clear that that is truly unprofessional - it is not a home karaoke system. At least put then an XLR input in the machine (with phantom power and a gain knob - I guess it would be asking for too much).

Roland: "The Acoustic Projection sound system is useful for personal monitoring on large stages, and is suitable for primary amplification in intimate venues. "
Now wouldn't that be nice. That is what I have always wished for. And then all they give you is a Stereo-Mini-Phone-Type input??? I don't want to hook up my cell phone or iPad or what ever. I want to input (preferably a symmetric) signal from a mixing board, sound interface, or monitoring system. I could then still hook up my phone if necessary.

Roland: "OUTPUT (L/MONO, R) jacks: 1/4-inch phone type"
Do I have to schlepp DI-boxes around for the rest of my life?

Roland: "Connectors: …USB COMPUTER port: USB Type B"
Presumably only MIDI. My British 2008 masterkeyboard-synth with a built-in audio-interface for 250,- could offer more with its semi-professional A/D D/A converters. Cheesh, it's 2013!!! And this is a ROLAND!!! Give me the piano sounds over USB to my DAW. And vice versa, my DAW to the piano (speakers / outputs …)

Alright, I'm gonna stop nagging. I just had to let my steam out. I really do love Roland. My first synth is a Roland from 1986 and it never needed repairs. Same with my DP from 1988 (some minor repairs to be done by myself). I just wished they (the manufacturers) would stop bringing out unripe products, especially if the technology is there and it is affordable. On one side they claim to bring out "professional" products and yet, some aspects are just sooo cheap. Yes, I would even pay more, but just give it to me.


I wonder if the these companies actually ever read these mostly good arguments and innovative ideas from the users in this forum. (Yes, I know Kawai does.... thanks 2 KJ)


Edited by Cmin (04/06/13 04:03 AM)
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#2059833 - 04/05/13 12:48 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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It kills me that the FP-80 (and previous FP-7F) is superior to the FP-505 in many ways (more adjustments in the touch sensitivity, adjustable stretch tuning, Piano Designer, etc); it's very similar to the HP-507. The only advantage of the HP-505 seems to be the cabinet, speakers, and better "Ivory Feel" key surface - and it's $1000 more expensive!

I've been planing to buy an HP-505, but I'm really considering waiting for this instead. I could supplement the sound with a subwoofer if need be.

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#2059879 - 04/05/13 02:58 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: MarkF786]
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Originally Posted By: MarkF786
and better "Ivory Feel" key surface -


Why is it that the 505 / 507 has a better ivory surface. I may have missed it but I thought all PHA III keybeds were the same in that respect ?

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#2060222 - 04/06/13 07:18 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Dave Ferris]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
Originally Posted By: EssBrace
More versatile SN pianos (without the dreaded metallic clanking mid range), .


Yep, specifically the Ab & A a +5 and 6th above middle C. It's on the 700NX with the Concert grand but not the Studio grand-very strange. That was a deal breaker for me with that board, I can't believe they missed that.


I see these comments quite regularly and feel always inclined to add my experience.

I don't hear this "metallic clanking" and nor has anybody else I have spoken to.

I have also seen posts defending it as "character".

It is not a problem for many.

There are two sides to every story.

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#2060226 - 04/06/13 07:33 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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But the timbre of certain notes in the mid range changes quickly to a piercing, thin metallic character. The change is not linear with increasing velocity and frankly the result is not musical to my ears. And because not all notes are affected it fails to be a "characteristic" of the SN pianos but is a downright fault in my view. If it were all notes then certain adjustments with touch curves might largely address the behaviour but when it is just a cluster of notes there is nothing satisfactory that can be done.

But if you like it then I'm very happy for you because the SN-equipped Rolands are exceptional in many other respects.
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#2060248 - 04/06/13 08:39 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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When I was shopping DP's I noticed something similar to what EssBrace was talking about when trying the FP7F. I cant quite explain it, but I posted "... The Roland SN piano is very good for the most part, however, still can hear some sort of odd ringing tone around and above middle C. Almost distracting while playing some different pieces. Was able to edit sound and touch to help it a bit. I must admit I even heard that tinny ringing sound even in the RD700nx too."


Edited by Marko in Boston (04/06/13 08:47 AM)
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#2060284 - 04/06/13 10:15 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Marko in Boston]
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Originally Posted By: Marko in Boston
When I was shopping DP's I noticed something similar to what EssBrace was talking about when trying the FP7F. I cant quite explain it, but I posted "... The Roland SN piano is very good for the most part, however, still can hear some sort of odd ringing tone around and above middle C. Almost distracting while playing some different pieces. Was able to edit sound and touch to help it a bit. I must admit I even heard that tinny ringing sound even in the RD700nx too."


Yes, I have owned a RD 700 NX since August 2011 and have no problem with it.
I am learning Puccini's, "O Mio Babbino Caro" at the moment, many A flats above middle C, indeed, it starts with three repeats, but I hear no problem.

I have yet to hear it demonstrated anywhere as a "fault", You Tube for example, where the cut-off problem was shown well.

But there you go, as I say. 2 sides to every story.

BTW, I could probably write 2 sides of A4 on the things I dislike about this piano, but I would buy another one if I lost this.
Still the best out there, for me.

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#2060299 - 04/06/13 10:56 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: slipperykeys]
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I completely agree with you regarding "2 sides to every story"

I have an ES7, love it and would buy it again because t's what's best for me at the moment. But, like you I could write a few dislikes too.
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#2060312 - 04/06/13 11:29 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: slipperykeys]
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Originally Posted By: slipperykeys
I see these comments quite regularly and feel always inclined to add my experience.

I don't hear this "metallic clanking" and nor has anybody else I have spoken to.

I have also seen posts defending it as "character".

It is not a problem for many.

There are two sides to every story.

I can't hear it either. *shrug* If it's there, ignorance is bliss. Having said that, I prefer Studio over Concert regardless.

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#2060365 - 04/06/13 01:09 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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A guy who works in my local music store tried the FP-80 when the Roland rep stopped by a couple of weeks ago. He was very impressed with the new speakers. Otherwise no noticeable difference from FP7-F (according to him).
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#2060946 - 04/07/13 06:53 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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...alright. I'm gonna jump in the cold water and order it now. (Should be here in 2 weeks).
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#2061093 - 04/08/13 01:47 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Are you sure about the two weeks ? I had an order ready this weekend until I found out that delivery time is either unknown or at least 15 weeks at all the dealers I checked. Europe too (Netherlands).

Wonder where you got the two weeks time range and if it is a reliable estimate ?

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#2061122 - 04/08/13 03:10 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: JFP]
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Music Store.de says April 19. Maybe they're lying.
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#2061141 - 04/08/13 03:57 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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There estmated delivery dates shift like ebb and flood. I suspect they do that for all newly introduced products , just to lure people into buying (and then waiting...).

Seen it before.

But hope you're right, since the earlier they are in the hands of customers , the sooner we'll get some user reports. For me I wonder if the Studio Grand is onboard and if the PHAIII in the FP80 is a bit less thumpy, perhaps due to other cabinet design. Wishful thinking, I know...


Edited by JFP (04/08/13 03:58 AM)

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#2061426 - 04/08/13 06:28 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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One has to admit though, it looks damn similar to the ES7.
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#2061710 - 04/09/13 05:42 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Originally Posted By: Cmin
One has to admit though, it looks damn similar to the ES7.


Hi Cmin, have you tried the ES7? Might want to rethink the Roland purchase. If you can; compare feature to feature, then action, and then sound - especially with headphones. You might be pleasantly surprised and save a little money.
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#2061722 - 04/09/13 06:23 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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With all due respect - Roland SN and Kawai PHI are very different. You may or may not like the character of one or the other, but technically the SN piano is better in the decay / sustain phase than PHI in the ES7. You will hear that especially in the higher regions (high notes) ; they die out more quickly on the Kawai. Nothing to the disadvantage of the Kawai (I like Kawai - which is no secret), but you will have to try them both and decide for yourself - SN AP's and EP's are really good IMHO and if you want to throw extra money at it - Roland is a save choice as well.

And YES , they ES and FP7F / FP80 are very much alike, with the ES offering the most interesting price / feature ratio. At least here in Europe - in the US it's more expensive for some reason.

Other differences - ES7 has better speakers, better EP's, 256 voice polyphony and a more quiet keybed than FP7F; but the FP80 might have closed the gap in terms of speakers and EP's (SN). If the FP80 keybed is still as 'thumpy' remains to be seen. Both keybeds are very good to play (PHI-III vs RH II). Furthermore Roland has a larger display, more sounds and assignable pedal inputs (expression possible - not on ES7), but the ES7 has a nicer optional stand and 3-pedal set. The Roland mic input and harmonizer I see more as a gimmick...

We'll know more about the FP-80 this week, with Musik Messe ; hope someone can find out how good the speakers , keybed and sounds really are, or if it's really for 99% just an FP7F in a new package.

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#2061821 - 04/09/13 11:06 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Originally Posted By: JFP
but technically the SN piano is better in the decay / sustain phase than PHI in the ES7.


True that SN and PHI are different, but but decay /sustain can be adjusted nicely with VT.

Originally Posted By: JFP
but the FP80 might have closed the gap in terms of speaker.


I am very curious about the speakers. This is not ES7 best feature, but still pretty good. If the FP80's speakers get rave reviews i would "consider" looking into Roland. However, Im still not a big SN fan - might just be my ears, as im also one those guys that hears that "...dreaded metallic clanking mid range"

Like you say... we'll know more about the FP80 this week.
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August Piano Bar, drinks on the house
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I just read this at the Yamaha FAQ website
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Schimmel DUO piano
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Feurich 190 cm grand from 1920 - Is it any good?
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Who's gigging with MP11
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