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#2061951 - 04/09/13 01:59 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Marko in Boston]
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I'm thinking on saving for a FP-50. Those -200 grams made a big difference for me grin Also I guess the speakers will be a bit better than F4-F's... Shame the RD-64 doesn't reach the F1 frown

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#2061953 - 04/09/13 02:01 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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I think the speakers of the ES7 are actually quite good for a stage piano with build-in amp+speakers. At least better than most comparable DP's I've encountered so far. None of them is really comparable to separate studio monitors or a high end cabinet DP, but that's also hardly possible if you want to keep it compact and portable. The FP7F speakers we're inferior to the ES, the FP-80 might be on par or better.

By the way , there are no reviews of the FP-80 yet as far as I know and I've certainly not seen any rave reviews . Musik Messe will tell us more I hope.

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#2062648 - 04/10/13 11:32 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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New Musikmesse video: They look nice but I WANT TO HEAR IT!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4icBFqTTIfA
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#2062674 - 04/11/13 12:49 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Found a video of the new FP-50 and sounds cool!

enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5ttkVK11Hw
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#2062763 - 04/11/13 05:48 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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FP-80 listed at Thomann for 1869 euro. Shipping in 3 weeks time...
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#2062771 - 04/11/13 06:29 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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#2062773 - 04/11/13 06:39 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Does it have the SN Studio Grand (apart from the Concert Grand that was the only SN piano base for the FP7F) ?!

Can anyone on the Messe floor check ??? Any Roland representative ever (?) present on this forum to answer such questions ? Kawai and Casio are doing a great job in that respect ! Even David Weiss from Kurzweil drops in every now and then. Where's Roland ? Ignorant ? Arrogant ? Living in another time and space ?

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#2062797 - 04/11/13 08:44 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Originally Posted By: JFP
Where's Roland ? Ignorant ? Arrogant ? Living in another time and space ?


Roland have their own forum:

http://forums.rolandclan.com/

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#2062916 - 04/11/13 01:25 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Kawai James]
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Great, they have no FP-80 discussions in their own forum. Weak.

....Has anybody gotten Airplay to work with a MacBook Pro?


Originally Posted By: thomsurf
FP-80 listed at Thomann for 1869 euro. Shipping in 3 weeks time...

Thomann : 1799,- Euro


Edited by Cmin (04/11/13 01:45 PM)
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#2062940 - 04/11/13 01:59 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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I guess the extra 70 euros is because I live in Denmark which has a nice 25% tax rate.
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#2062942 - 04/11/13 02:00 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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I noticed that in the specs of FP80 they don't list "Open/close lid" setting in Effects-Piano Designer section, do you think they really took that away? All HP pianos do have this (as far as I know) and I recall that it significantly changes the sound character. Also Brilliance is missing, which was addition to HP 50x models, wasn't it? And lastly, there is no button for Reverb, can it not have reverb?

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#2062945 - 04/11/13 02:04 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Originally Posted By: thomsurf
I guess the extra 70 euros is because I live in Denmark which has a nice 25% tax rate.

Buy it in Germany???

Hookxs: Yeah, I also noticed that. Strange isn't it?
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#2062947 - 04/11/13 02:06 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Thomann varies the price depending on which country they're shipping to...
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#2064232 - 04/13/13 09:10 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: thomsurf]
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Hi my first post.
My fp-7f definitely had a honky tonk sound at approximately the 3rd and 5th octaves, I went back to the store to see if the floor model was the same. It sure was. I showed the salesperson. To prove my point I switched quickly between those notes on Grand Piano 1 and honkytonk piano. The sounds were nearly identical. The sound was less prevelant with earphones which made me believe it was not the speakers fault. The longer you play the more the errant sound spreads to other keys. And I also detected it in other voices. Sounds like a very complicated problem. I returned it for a Kawai ES7. The SN sound is a clearly superior sound to the Kawai if it weren't for the problem keys. I'm thinking of exchanging the kawai for an fp-80 but I tried the fp-50 today (fp-80 was in stock) which was on display and I believe I detected that same errant sound as the fp-7f but the store was too busy and lots of pianos playing so not sure. So I wonder if the fp-80 has the problem too.
I also own a baby grand and I'm thinking that maybe I'm spoiled with that sound and people who play digital all the time may get used to a not so perfect sound and might not detect the fp-7f problem.

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#2064329 - 04/14/13 02:39 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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I had one on order (could get a nice price); but when the manual was finally available I found out the FP-80 was 80% identical to the FP7F, meaning:

- same keyed
- same basic AP sound(s) - although sometime with different preset names
- 99% same other sounds
- same display and operation
- same polyphony
- same effects and eq

Improvements:
- speakers
- SN EP's
- rhythms

Gone:
- the looper
- lid simulation (why ?)

I really had hoped the other sample bases like Studio Grand had also made it in the FP-80, giving it a wider pallet of AP sounds. But for pure AP playing , I thought the differences where to small to justify the investment. So cancelled and still on the hunt...

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#2064330 - 04/14/13 02:39 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: free thinker]
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Usually an acoustic piano will be less perfectly in tune than a digital. So to even up things, the makers throw in the odd out of tune note for a bit of realism. That`s my theory. I don`t think it works . . . my piano has the opposite fault - a note which is perfect unison. But it is sampled over the next 5 . . .I live reasonably happily with it.
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#2064334 - 04/14/13 03:23 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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JFP, I believe the FP-7F had rhythm accompaniments too - it's just they were called 'Session Partner'.

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#2064346 - 04/14/13 04:29 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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I know - but the FP-80 accompaniment has been reworked, extended and improved.

But personally I don't care at all about these gadgets ; just want good action, good and realistic sounds and a good connection between the two. If a good speaker system is added as a bonus , that could in practice save me the hassle of extra external equipment ; but if better speakers is the main improvement of the FP-80 and all else is roughy the same, then IIMHO the Roland is not innovative enough to justify the steep price. I know the EP's are SN too now, but that is not totally new either, they have been around on some other models for a quite while.

The addition of the 'other' AP sample sound sets (studio grand/ brilliant grand) would have made me buy the FP-80, despite the fact that the keybed may still be as 'thumpy' as in the previous Roland models (no comments from people who tried the FP-80 on that ??) . Because I simply like the sound of the Studio Grand better than the 'standard' SN AP you find in most models.

Now I consider to go all software or wait for some more reports on the alternatives that have other advantages:
- software and fixed setup (not for take-away) as I was planning to do in the first place (VPC1),
- low weight, interesting price and many sounds and features (PX5S + extra MIDI box for half-damping) ,
- extended masterkeyboard functionality, relatively light weight and still the option to use internal sounds (Pysispiano K4)
- Nice wooden action, relative light weight (!) and an AP grand sound I liked so far (from the only demo that is available); SL Numa Concert

But I'm hijacking the conversation here. Please continue...- only thing I tried to emphasize is that for AP playing I think the FP7F are pretty much the same , apart from the speakers; making the FP-80 such a strange beast for a "new" product. Too much recycling, to little innovation...


Edited by JFP (04/14/13 04:34 AM)

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#2064347 - 04/14/13 04:33 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Originally Posted By: Cmin
Great, they have no FP-80 discussions in their own forum. Weak.


Considering the lack of innovation as described above I think it won't attract much attention and people seriously consider the (often cheaper) alternatives. Why is it that Roland thinks they have to sell products by adding Airplay like functionality (it had an input already to plug-in your playing device) ? It's a piano ; improve where it counts and people will come (not in gimmicks and gadgets).

Just my thoughts


Edited by JFP (04/14/13 04:33 AM)

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#2064385 - 04/14/13 08:59 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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FP-80

Again, I just want to hear the damn thing!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcqt1nCYeks
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#2064409 - 04/14/13 10:15 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
JFP Offline
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@marko,

Have you seen the Messe floor recording of the Numa Concert; all talk and talk and talk and he touched the keys exactly zero time. Strange way to sell a keyboard, but it seems to be quite common...

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#2064421 - 04/14/13 10:47 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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You have got to laugh at these "demos", if Beethoven is reincarnated in today's Germany I bet he is a computer programmer this time around.
He'd be a good one, obviously..... just keep looking for a computer programmer with lots of hair and a hearing-aid.

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#2064428 - 04/14/13 10:58 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: JFP]
Marko in Boston Offline
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I saw that too. It's driving me crazy! very simple; stop "talking" about the features. I want to "read" about the features and specs. Why would you not "play" the keyboard in a video demo is beyond my comprehension.
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#2064434 - 04/14/13 11:08 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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We'll , they don't actually drive the new cars on the show floor at a car exhibition either. Just missing the barby models you usually see at an auto show ;-) That would make up for the lack of audio demo's a little..., if your ears can't get nothing , your eyes...

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#2064441 - 04/14/13 11:29 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: JFP]
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If indeed the fp-80 is just a recycled fp 7f , and it's the same price as well, then maybe they have fixed the 'honkytonk' sound coming through the grand piano 1 and that is the sole purpose of this new product.

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#2064475 - 04/14/13 12:34 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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It's the same grand-piano sound (sample base), so ...

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#2064489 - 04/14/13 12:55 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Marko in Boston]
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Originally Posted By: Marko in Boston
FP-80

Again, I just want to hear the damn thing!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcqt1nCYeks



Dumb question: Is the "Ivory-S" key-action in this new model the same as the PHA-III action with triple sensors in my FP-7F? I've yet to find a straight answer to this basic question...

K.
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#2064494 - 04/14/13 01:01 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Seems like losing the looper and lid simulation are huge losses to me. They are probably still there, just inaccessible.

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#2064503 - 04/14/13 01:14 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: JFP]
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Originally Posted By: JFP
I had one on order (could get a nice price); but when the manual was finally available...


Where did you get the manual? It is not on rolandus.com web site.

BTW: FP-50 can be heard on these videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5ttkVK11Hw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWirjnQYRTg

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#2064528 - 04/14/13 02:30 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Correct - inside information. I think it wasn't ready yet for public release, but seemed pretty final.

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