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#2067684 - 04/20/13 04:21 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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I'm puzzled; I totally don't understand what kind of 'distortion' you are referring to. Honkytonk sounds like a problem with the DSP processing, but then it should be audible over headphone as well, which it is not.

1) You don't hear it over headphones
2) You don't hear it with the Roland turned is off (meaning it's not the mechanics of the keybed itself at these keys)
3) You don't hear it at those keys , when you transpose the sound a semitone up or down. Does the distortion than also move one semitone up or down ?
4) Can you listen very carefully where the distortion is coming from. I mean is it obviously a distorted sound coming from the speakers , or does it seem to be coming more from the DP cabinet (like a case resonance ; sometimes it helps then to put your hand on the cabinet at different positions and see if it disappears ).
5) Is it only with certain AP presets, or also with other sounds like EP at those same keys ?

Is it possible to record some passage that indicates the problem ? Or does it not appear on the recording when you record directly to USB (in fact bypassing the speakers). I hope you can provide us with an example - I find it hard to imagine what you're hearing at this point.

To go back at the beginning: you say you detect it at certain areas of the keyboard (d#3 and the 2 adjacent keys) ; do you mean that the sound over the speakers distorts when playing these keys, or that the distorted sound seems to be coming from underneath those physical keys (mechanical) ?

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#2067688 - 04/20/13 04:26 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Hookxs]
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When I moved the transpose indicator all the way left then the irritating sound completely disappeared off the keybed. However if I moved it a notch then the sound moved one or two keys as well. Since there are sleepers in the house I will have to wait to get more definitive results.
I'm thinking (maybe over-thinking)that since the "sound" occurs in a few keys between the lower register and the mid register then if you transpose lower, you can't hear that sound because it is now in an area with rich and vibrant overtones that characterise the lower register.
btw What is master-tuning?


Edited by free thinker (04/20/13 04:27 PM)

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#2067696 - 04/20/13 04:40 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: JFP]
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The sound comes from the speakers and not from any cabinet vibration. I tried placing hands firmly on cabinet to see if this affects sound but nothing. The sound is there with all pianos but less with some pianos. Good idea to record and play back to see what happens. I'll keep you informed.

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#2067715 - 04/20/13 05:24 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Well if you transpose , the usual thing that happens is that you play the exact same notes of the sound-enigine, but from other physical keys. So it would be logical that if you transpose one whole note down, the annoying sound will play one key down from the original key it occurred. Still with the same sound and pitch that is. A simple transpose doesn't normally shift the base notes independently from the overtones and resonances. Some instruments , like Kurzweil , have independent shifting as an extra feature - but then it's used as a special effect, not for a simple transpose.

In your case and when the sound shifts as expected up and down with the transpose function, that could mean two things:

1) It's simply part of the sound and sound engine and so fixed part of the sound character. But then it should also be audible in the same way over headphones.

2) This particular key, or key combination triggers a certain resonance effect and/or distortion in the amplifier or speaker system. This could be because it touches the natural resonance of one or more parts of the system , or because of a malfunctioning part in the signal chain that becomes more obvious if triggered by these particular frequencies. In both cases it's either a flaw , a bad design , or both. If it's a flaw it could be exemplary and you'd have to crosse check against other FP-80's. If its a bad design, that's worse - cause it would mean all FP-80's have this behavior. I wonder if that's the case; someone at Roland must certainly have noticed this at some stage (?!).

So:
- if your 100% sure the effects is not audible on headphones, you'd have to crosse check against other FP-80's to see if it's just your unit. If it IS only your unit - it's simply bad luck and you could exchange it for another that doesn't show this problem. If all FP-80's in the store show this behavior and it's quite obvious, then someone should contact Roland and make them aware of what's happening. They can't solve it if they don't know about it and the longer they get no feedback , the more units are produced with the same design flaw.

Still , for now I hope it's only your unit. That's bad enough already, but it means you can get it fixed by exchanging the instrument , forget about what happened and enjoy the FP-80 ;-)


Edited by JFP (04/20/13 05:27 PM)

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#2067941 - 04/21/13 10:04 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: JFP]
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I'm sure I never heard the distortion on earphones. Yet this is not a black/white issue. There were times, brief times though, when I could not here that sound. Even last night after returning the DP to it's original location, I could not produce that sound. This is baffling. So now it looks OK. (maybe using the transpose function had something to do with it) But I have the feeling that it will return. In the store I did hear that sound on the fp-4f and the 300nx? and also on the fp 7f but not consistently. I think some weird phenomenon is at play here. Something sets it off.

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#2068010 - 04/21/13 12:35 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: free thinker]
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Gee, this is really getting confusing.
Tomorrow I hope to shed some light on all of this. I'm awaiting a (great) delivery smile
I'll be sure to give it a good work through and give you the results. I will also post to the DPBSD Project.
Truly can not wait....
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#2068045 - 04/21/13 01:52 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Weird. Hope your FP-80 is flawless Cmin. I had one on order and cancelled it after free thinker's first remarks. I first wanted to wait for more information on the phenomenon he experienced. If it's all OK in the end and yours is good as well, I wonder if I should have let my order go through. There you see how much influence a forum can have on purchase decisions ! So be careful with what you post ; I may have been a bit too critical myself as well in the past, but you learn from your mistakes. I had some issues , that we're partly an exemplary fault indeed , but also simply part of the way the product was designed and was supposed to work. I think in general it's best to first work out all the details yourself and in collaboration with the shop and manufacturer and THEN post your results, if they are important enough to share with the world. Curious to your review of the FP-80 and if you have a similar experience as free thinker and what you think of the rest of the FP. My list of interest again:

1) Any improvement in SN AP sound as far as you can judge over the previous series ?
2) Is the keybed still thumpy as we know from the PHA_III based keys untill now, or has some slight alteration softened the landing (you would think Roland might have taken notice by now ?)
3) How are the speakers ; really immersive 3D "projection" sound as the marketeers would like us to believe , or simply good speakers ;-)

Cheers, J

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#2068062 - 04/21/13 02:21 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: JFP]
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I could not detect any improvement of sn sound over the fp-7f.
Keyboard still thumpy but not anymore than my acoustic piano, I guess I'm used to the thumps.
I think the speakers are good but not great.In the demo it sounds fantastic but somehow they have optimized that feature.
I have not played piano since yesterday and as i said it is too early too tell if the improvement is permanent.

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#2068065 - 04/21/13 02:27 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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NAMM holds the big show each January for the newest in digital music.
Interesting that the acronym NAMM has multiple meanings:

NAMM International Music Products Association
NAMM National Association of Music Merchants
NAMM National Association of Memorial Masons (est. 1907; Warwickshire, England, UK)
NAMM National Association of Music Manufacturers
NAMM National Association for Moisture Management (St. Petersburg, FL)
NAMM National Association of Mirror Manufacturers

Best writing practice is to dump the NAMM or at least be specific, besides the fact that Acronyms are Dumb.

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#2068113 - 04/21/13 04:08 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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WAYTA?
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#2068123 - 04/21/13 04:22 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Bot ?

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#2068158 - 04/21/13 05:26 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Lelax]
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Originally Posted By: Lelax
Best writing practice is to dump the NAMM or at least be specific, besides the fact that Acronyms are Dumb.


Smoke another one!
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#2068171 - 04/21/13 05:54 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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I think Lelax took a mental ExLax
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#2068204 - 04/21/13 07:46 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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We are hoping for better, but prepared for bitter disappointment and sadness.

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#2068356 - 04/22/13 12:54 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Dear Lelax,
when we talk about NAMM, you can be sure it's not going to be about the National Association of Mirror Manufacturers or even the National Association for Moisture Management.

ok, let's get back to the topic and keep this thread on topic - and that is the FP-80 and FP-50 (No, I will not spell them out).
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#2068590 - 04/22/13 11:00 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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So, it arrived about 2 hours ago. Here are my first impressions:

+Nice.
+Loud! (definitely a lot louder and clearer than the FP-7F)
+372 Sounds (Tones)
+True SN Concert Piano
+Drawbar Organs
+Great E-pianos and organs

-No Studio Grand
-E-Pianos are not SN adjustable
-There are some impurities in the Concert piano (Here and there... but not in Free Thinkers range) F4, F#4, depending on loudness. Over speakers and Headphones.
-No open/closed lid
-No audio over USB cable to computer (only MIDI)
-Mini-stereo-jack input

Key thumping??? Well it's not that bad. I guess it's quite normal considering the weighted keys. I couldn't tell you if the key action is different to the FP-7F, considering I only played it once at the store.

...These are just my first findings and impressions. I will keep you updated (as I have luckily the next couple of days off).
All in all I am very happy with this instrument and I am sure it will fulfill my needs for the years to come.
So long for now, gotta get busy with them keys....


Edited by Cmin (04/22/13 11:35 AM)
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#2068630 - 04/22/13 12:06 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Congrats! It's good to hear that you are happy with the piano. Would you mind posting some recording (of solo piano) for our curiosity? Thanks:-)

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#2068724 - 04/22/13 03:09 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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"-There are some impurities in the Concert piano (Here and there... but not in Free Thinkers range) F4, F#4, depending on loudness. Over speakers and Headphones."

Can you explain a bit more about what exactly you mean by 'impurities' and in how far they are noticeable or even annoying while you play ? Is it only in the first concert grand preset or also in other presets (that may be based on the same base SN AP sample material). I assume you mean that this impurity is part of the SN sound itself and not some resonance or distortion in the cabinet / speaker system ?

All in all , how would you describe the feeling when you play ; do you have the idea that you're really 'into' the sound and can articulate well and that there's a good connection between the action and the sound you produce ? I'm not looking for the last bit of authenticity in the AP sound, but wonder if the playability is a good representation of what you would experience when playing an acoustic. (Yes, I know it's a bad comparison, because the sound comes from speakers etc, but something can be said about how well it works as a stand-in for an acoustic ?)

Last thing: you say the speakers are loud. Roland has introduced the two way systems as a "revolutionary" sound projection system. Expensive word to describe it that way ;-) Anyway , do you have the feeling you're immersed a bit in the sound it produces, or is it all marketing bla bla and the speakers sound OK, but that's it ? (Do they produce enough base / bottom ?)

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#2068908 - 04/22/13 09:18 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: JFP]
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cmin: "no audio over USB cable..."

I know you can record audio as .wav to USB I don' see why you can't record to computer via USB

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#2068936 - 04/22/13 10:01 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: JFP]
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Originally Posted By: JFP
Can you explain a bit more about what exactly you mean by 'impurities' and in how far they are noticeable or even annoying while you play ?

If it's like RD-700NX, then at certain mid-velocities, there is a slight metallic twang. I know I've praised Studio Grand up and down, but I've dialed in a Concert Grand edit that's really growing on me -- it feels more dynamic than Studio Grand.

Originally Posted By: free thinker
cmin: "no audio over USB cable..."

I know you can record audio as .wav to USB I don' see why you can't record to computer via USB

I suspect that requires a custom Windows driver, as it's probably not part of the universal midi-over-USB spec. It certainly could be done if they wanted too -- it's a very low bandwidth activity.

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#2069101 - 04/23/13 03:48 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: free thinker]
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Originally Posted By: free thinker
cmin: "no audio over USB cable..."

I know you can record audio as .wav to USB I don' see why you can't record to computer via USB


Yes, I find this a pity. I want to record to my DAW staying on the digital level. That means I have to either use a USB stick with audio (44.1kHz, 16 bit) then import it to my computer, which is not very professional. Or, go analog out. Meaning, the signal would be converted from D/A then again A/D - also not very professional. Of course, there is the possibility to buy an iPhone or iPad (which I am NOT going to do) and use the wireless Wifi app from Roland - also not very professional.
It would be so easy to have the signal going out through the USB cable - but, no.
Maybe there will be an update for that.
Irony: The update would most likely be the FP-80F for ONLY 1800,- euro.

Today I will still post some audio examples of the Concert Piano.

C U
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#2069113 - 04/23/13 04:30 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Well I always found recording to USB stick and putting it in my Mac not such a big deal. It works simple and quick. Wouldn't be a deal-breaker. Unless what you mean is that you want to record FP80 sounds into a sequencer arrangement; in which case it would have been nice to have a digital signal path or even better have the FP act as a software plug-in in your DAW. Some manufacturers DO offer that functionality for their workstations and synths. I think DP's have another purpose in their view and don't need such sophisticated features or DAW integration.

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#2069115 - 04/23/13 04:39 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: JFP]
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Originally Posted By: JFP
Can you explain a bit more about what exactly you mean by 'impurities' and in how far they are noticeable or even annoying while you play ? Is it only in the first concert grand preset or also in other presets (that may be based on the same base SN AP sample material). I assume you mean that this impurity is part of the SN sound itself and not some resonance or distortion in the cabinet / speaker system ?


I noticed a slight high pitched ring or maybe synthetic noise in some areas when played at certain velocities. For me it is not bad - I can live with it. It is in the sound itself definitely (I heard it over both the speakers and headphones). I messed around with the SN parameters and believe it might have been one of those that caused it (some resonance) because it seemed to be better after that.
To be honest, I didn't really use much of the other piano sounds because they are not worth the effort frown

Originally Posted By: JFP
All in all , how would you describe the feeling when you play ; do you have the idea that you're really 'into' the sound and can articulate well and that there's a good connection between the action and the sound you produce ? I'm not looking for the last bit of authenticity in the AP sound, but wonder if the playability is a good representation of what you would experience when playing an acoustic. (Yes, I know it's a bad comparison, because the sound comes from speakers etc, but something can be said about how well it works as a stand-in for an acoustic ?)


IMHO I really like the feel. And yes, I think after getting a little used to it, it won't be a problem to get 'into' the sound and 'articulate' my playing. A DP (IMHO) will never be as authentic as an AP - but for what it is, it's great.

Originally Posted By: JFP
Last thing: you say the speakers are loud. Roland has introduced the two way systems as a "revolutionary" sound projection system. Expensive word to describe it that way ;-) Anyway , do you have the feeling you're immersed a bit in the sound it produces, or is it all marketing bla bla and the speakers sound OK, but that's it ? (Do they produce enough base / bottom ?)


Being a sound engineer for the past 25+ years.....
Roland did put some thought in their new 'Acoustic Projection'. It is very pleasant for what it is. Having such 'small' speakers, it does engulf the player into his/her instrument. The bass sounds are pretty full (sure, you don't have a sub woofer) and the highs are very clear sounding. Of course, one can not compare to high-end monitors - but then again, there is no hassle with all the schlepping, cabling, stands.... The sound emits directly from the instrument and that is the way it is supposed to be, I find. I like to feel the vibrations at my finger tips smile

BUT.... forget that with the microphone input. What a gimmick. If you are a pianist who sings at the same time (like me) look for other possibilities. There is an EQ on board, but it affects the piano sound as well at the same time. If you want to have reverb ("ambience") on the voice but not on the piano - no way (EDIT: Yes, ok, it does work). The other way is no problem, no reverb on voice, but on piano. The harmony effect is funny - and that's about it.
I will have to go the conventional/old way and do my voice processing outside of the keyboard and input it through the mini jack input.
Oh, I almost forgot: that mini jack does not have a separate volume control.

Hope that answers some of your questions JFP.


Edited by Cmin (01/17/14 05:12 AM)
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#2069123 - 04/23/13 05:20 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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"that mini jack does not have a separate volume control."

I think hardly any DP with an audio input has that (exception defines the rule). Also it's probably a clean input line to the amp/speaker system is it ? I mean, without going though the 'correcting' EQ that is part of the signal patch when playing internal sounds. Without this EQ the sound is not optimized for the totally un-flat response a speaker in cabinet design has and any music you play over it sounds unbalanced and weird. True ? Or DOES Roland put the input channel before this EQ , I wonder...

Yeh...microphone. Couldn't care less. Rather had some more routing options on the Roland and/or 256 polyphony ; ditch the gimmicks and use the saved-up resources for enhancements where it really matters.

BTW - do you mean that apart from the first Concert Grand preset , the other presets are rubbish ? Like Ballade, Bright and Dreamy ? And the EP's; wow good are they ? There are Tine / Reed and FM in the list. Assume they are all SN. Are they really good ?

Happy the speakers are OK and also that the impurity is not a real 'distortion' of some kind, but more part of the sound character and can even be dampened somewhat by playing with the SN parameters. All-in-all ; the Roland is a keeper and worth the money ? (hard to tell - cause as an owner you always feel tempted to justify your purchase no matter what, but anyway).

Oh.. and external monitors; I know what you mean, I've always used some HQ studio monitors, but never had the feeling I was digging into the instruments cause there is always some separation in such a setup between the instrument and perceived sound source. When the speakers are build-in and it's cleverly done, you have more of the impression sound + instrument is one. Especially when you have some tactile feedback as well. Never mind the quality of the speakers is not on par with any studio monitor set.

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#2069156 - 04/23/13 07:13 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Put my hands on an FP-50 yesterday. Not a big variety of AP sounds but the Concert sounded descent over the somewhat small speakers. To my surprise the action felt better and less noisy than on my own RD300-NX, even though they share the same keybed. I suppose the different cabinets has an effect on key beheaviour.
A nice little DP it is.
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#2069160 - 04/23/13 07:20 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: JFP]
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Yes, the input is BEFORE EQ!!! frown That means, everything (the FP-80, the Mic input and even the line input) go through the internal EQ. How frustrating.
Furthermore, the 'Mic Harmony' is also in the line input - not only Mic input (the way it should be). So theoretically, if one is playing to let's say to an MP3, phone, or whatever going into the FP-80 and you have a mic in the mic input and you want to use the 'Harmony' effect, everything except the FP-80 sound will be 'harmonized'. grrrr.
Another thing I noticed: If 'Local control' is off (because I want to use external sounds; such as plugins from a computer) the damper release of the FP-80 is still there, audible. You have to move to a different sound internally that doesn't use the damper release in order for it to work correctly.

JFP: "do you mean that apart from the first Concert Grand preset , the other presets are rubbish ? Like Ballade, Bright and Dreamy ? And the EP's; wow good are they ? There are Tine / Reed and FM in the list. Assume they are all SN. Are they really good ?"
No the other sounds are not rubbish. But they are just, how should I say..., nothing special. Out of the 14 sounds in the Pianos, maybe 6-7 are useable. I don't need Piano with E-Piano, or Piano with Strings. If I need them I just layer them myself.

Just to make things a bit clearer to everyone. Here is
my live setup.

And here is the back of the FP-80.


Edited by Cmin (04/23/13 07:48 AM)
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#2069163 - 04/23/13 07:30 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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So the signal routing sucks...if your interested in using the external inputs. For pure piano pleasure it doesn't matter. By the way - I don't mean the use adjustable EQ m but an 'invisible' fixed internal EQ stage that is in between sound engine and speakers on a DP , to compensate for the non-flat frequency response of the (uncorrected) sound system. This EQ is of course not between engine and headphones. And often not available for the external input.

It's easy to hear. Compare a piece of music played from an USB stick over the internal speakers and the same piece over a playback device connected to the external audio input. If they sound totally different (usually the USB version correct and the input version does not) , then the correcting EQ is not used for the audio input. If they sound the same (at the same level), than the EQ is indeed switched between audio input and amp/speaker system as well.

Nice setup by the way. I understand now you do care about the mic and audio in and intended to use that in practice. Shame it has such basic , flawed signal routing.

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#2069212 - 04/23/13 09:09 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: JFP]
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Registered: 04/13/13
Posts: 31
hi JFP, I don't see why you're still interested in this DP when it has probably nothing you like! Is it that the other brands out there are worse? Or too expensive.
I just use mine for pleasure. Mysteriously the offending noise has diminished enough that I enjoy playing via onboard speakers as well as via headphones which on my unit (unlike cmin) do not produce the offending sound (not yet anyway). My fp 7f had 2 areas of the keyboard with noise and was produced on headphones too. I think it' a gamble buying the Rolands as far as noise is concerned and a travesty as far as the electronic routing and software is concerned. I'm not trying to dissuade you from this piano but if you're a demanding musician (which you give the impression) I would recommend another piano if there is one out there.

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#2069214 - 04/23/13 09:14 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Registered: 02/19/13
Posts: 229
Loc: Swabia
Hi all!

Here are some WAV recordings I made directly to USB stick demonstrating the FP-80. Yes, they are a bit quiet - just crank up your speakers.

Simple melody: (Sorry, haven't been practicing for a while)
Wave 1 - Gee Dee

Chromatic demonstration: From low to high. mf & mp
Chromatic demo

Here is that problematic F4 on my DP:
Concert Piano F4

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#2069222 - 04/23/13 09:27 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Registered: 02/20/10
Posts: 3216
Originally Posted By: Cmin
It would be so easy to have the signal going out through the USB cable - but, no.
Maybe there will be an update for that.

I think xorbe has it right. Recording to a USB stick, where the piano is the host, is much simpler than sending audio over USB to the computer, where the piano is the slave (the computer is the host), and it would require writing a custom driver for Windows (and Mac), and some commitment to keeping those drivers functional through future Windows/Mac OS updates at least through the sales life of the piano. Doing this might also interfere with the ability of the piano to behave as a "class compliant" device which could create its own complications.

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