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#2059009 - 04/04/13 03:17 AM All about Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!!
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Please feel free to post all your questions, reviews and comments about the FP-80 & FP-50 here.


Original OP:

Roland Connect has announced today (April 4, 2013) the new series.
Let's see....

FP-80
FP-50
Brochure

FP-80 (compared to FP-7f):
+ It appears they smoothed the look by omitting the knobs on the front panel. Back to volume slider.
+ Nice, Acoustic Projection!
+ 200g weight reduction.
+ Reduced power consumption, at medium volume.
+ Super Natural E-Piano
+ Airplay (connect to iOS)

- They went from 2x1/4 inch (FP7F) to mini stereo inputs. (grrrr...)
- Seems no "Open/Close Lid" effect.

I wish they'd show a pic of the back.
And I wonder about the USB to Computer, MIDI only or also audio??? (No info yet)
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Edits:

Make a long story short, jump here.

Bugs


A review by Enzo.Sandrolini


Edited by Cmin (09/03/13 05:44 AM)
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#2059015 - 04/04/13 03:34 AM Re: The New Ones: FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Does anybody know the "Ivory Feel-S Keyboard with Escapement"?
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#2059017 - 04/04/13 03:37 AM Re: The New Ones: FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Thanks for the heads-up!

10/10 for the video - it's beautifully done, and I love the transition from home practise to performing on stage.

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#2059034 - 04/04/13 04:27 AM Re: The New Ones: FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Originally Posted By: Cmin
Does anybody know the "Ivory Feel-S Keyboard with Escapement"?


The "S" is not as good as the keyboard build into the HP-505. The "S" instead feels less mature, its keys do not really wobble but to me somehow felt less stabilized along their path of movement, when testing it ones in a shop. The "G" in my tests appeared much worse then the "S", then.

I would rank them like this (lowest quality to highest quality):
Ivory-Feel G
Ivory-Feel S
Ivory-Feel (without any additional letter, like on the HP-505)


Edited by Marco M (04/04/13 04:31 AM)
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#2059038 - 04/04/13 04:35 AM Re: The New Ones: FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Maybe it is the same as the FP-7F PHA III Ivory Feel-S Keyboard with Escapement??? Just a shortened name?
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#2059041 - 04/04/13 04:39 AM Re: The New Ones: FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Nice find, something else to drool over. That FP80 is heavy for a slab! Prices?

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#2059046 - 04/04/13 04:48 AM Re: The New Ones: FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: spanishbuddha]
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Originally Posted By: spanishbuddha
Nice find, something else to drool over. That FP80 is heavy for a slab! Prices?

+1 ...drool...
Just announced today - no prices yet.
....and it's 200g lighter than FP-7f!!! (wow, now that makes a difference)


Edited by Cmin (04/04/13 04:49 AM)
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#2059055 - 04/04/13 05:35 AM Re: The New Ones: FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Originally Posted By: Cmin
Does anybody know the "Ivory Feel-S Keyboard with Escapement"?


According to Roland brochures, Ivory Feel-S (former known as PHA III Ivory Feel-S) is almost identical to PHA-III except for the fact Ivory Feel-S is built on a single plastic piece instead of two. I guess this has to do with the lack of the wooden imitation side PHA III has. HP-503 (Ivory Feel-S) and HP-505 (PHA III) feel different each other but IMHO it's not due to the action, which is almost identical, but due to amp+speakers. The final feedback the player receives depends on the sum of many factors, not only the action. As we usually see on Yamaha GH, just the same action may feel quite different on different instruments.

Something similar happens between the older HP-302 and 305. The have the same action (PHA II with escapement) except for the ivory like cover of the 305, and they share the same sound engine but they definitely feel different: the 305 feels, in my opinion, better as its amplification + speakers are more powerful, that's why I picked one instead a 302.

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#2059057 - 04/04/13 05:51 AM Re: The New Ones: FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Can anyone please highlight what's new compared to the FP7F - apart from a presumably better speaker system ? All the rest seems pretty much the same ?! Are the EP's now also Super Natural ? And real drawbar organs ? Any changes to the main AP SN sounds or other sounds ?

I know you can use a sort of airplay with the optional WLAN adapter, but such marketing gadgets don't really bother me - better know how much the PIANO is improved (better sounds / better Super antural / changes to keybed (less thumping ) ??)

And prizzzzze ? Dolphin lists the FP80 as 1762 Pounds , which is about € 2075

Expensive considering the Fp7F was about € 1799

Oh and the new backing organ with TWO displays ! What a laugh ...is that really the gadget that will outsell all competition ? One large touch screen , that can be split on certain pages will do the same and better...


Edited by JFP (04/04/13 05:54 AM)

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#2059072 - 04/04/13 06:58 AM Re: The New Ones: FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: JFP]
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Originally Posted By: JFP
Can anyone please highlight what's new compared to the FP7F - apart from a presumably better speaker system ? All the rest seems pretty much the same ?! Are the EP's now also Super Natural ? And real drawbar organs ? Any changes to the main AP SN sounds or other sounds ?


Yes, E-Piano is now Super Natural
F-80 & F-50 Brochure

Originally Posted By: JFP
I know you can use a sort of airplay with the optional WLAN adapter, but such marketing gadgets don't really bother me -


Same here.
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#2059122 - 04/04/13 08:44 AM Re: The New Ones: FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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I'm pretty sure the AP core sound must be the same as one the current models, but in the video it sounds a bit more organic than on my 300NX. I guess Roland tweaked it to some extent so that they can justify this new model. It might even contain the brilliant and the studio SN pianos found in the 700NX...
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#2059134 - 04/04/13 09:03 AM Re: The New Ones: FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Time for us FP-7F owners to sell LOL
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#2059161 - 04/04/13 09:38 AM Re: The New Ones: FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Keegan]
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Originally Posted By: Keegan
Time for us FP-7F owners to sell LOL


For a bit better speakers and SN EP (if you care about that at all). And added € 300...

Don't think a lot of FP7f owners will be convinced. IMHO this update is very meager

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#2059194 - 04/04/13 10:23 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Roland says that the EPs are SuperNATURAL-based - not that they use the SN engine. That sounds as if they are samples derived from certain SN settings. And if you note, the blurb says: SuperNATURAL Piano technology powers the onboard grand piano sounds (my emphasis).

The upgrade to the speakers is welcome, particularly if it allows LH bass to be played without distortion, otherwise...?


Edited by voxpops (04/04/13 10:43 AM)
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#2059249 - 04/04/13 11:42 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: voxpops]
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Originally Posted By: voxpops
Roland says that the EPs are SuperNATURAL-based - not that they use the SN engine. That sounds as if they are samples derived from certain SN settings. And if you note, the blurb says: SuperNATURAL Piano technology powers the onboard grand piano sounds (my emphasis).
. . .


From the blurb, on another thread here:

Quote:
•Roland’s SuperNATURAL Piano sound engine onboard


That suggests the sounds really are "SuperNatural", with the modelling freedom that implies.

. Charles

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#2059252 - 04/04/13 11:46 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: voxpops]
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Originally Posted By: voxpops
Roland says that the EPs are SuperNATURAL-based - not that they use the SN engine. That sounds as if they are samples derived from certain SN settings. And if you note, the blurb says: SuperNATURAL Piano technology powers the onboard grand piano sounds (my emphasis).

I think this is just awkward wording. I'd be quite surprised if SN didn't really mean SN.

Originally Posted By: voxpops
The upgrade to the speakers is welcome, particularly if it allows LH bass to be played without distortion, otherwise...?

I don't like speakers placed in the keybed area, they tend to add overall length to the instrument. FP-50 is 1343mm long, the FP-80 is 1396mm, a difference of two inches - this is make or break sometimes when trying to transport it on the back seat of a car.
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#2059261 - 04/04/13 11:55 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: dewster]
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"I don't like speakers placed in the keybed area, they tend to add overall length to the instrument. FP-50 is 1343mm long, the FP-80 is 1396mm, a difference of two inches - this is make or break sometimes when trying to transport it on the back seat of a car."

I also think tiny speakers on the side seem a little gimmicky and unnecessary. Maybe Roland will prove me wrong. However, I doubt enough to make me part with my beloved ES7.
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#2059270 - 04/04/13 12:07 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: dewster]
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Originally Posted By: dewster
Originally Posted By: voxpops
Roland says that the EPs are SuperNATURAL-based - not that they use the SN engine. That sounds as if they are samples derived from certain SN settings. And if you note, the blurb says: SuperNATURAL Piano technology powers the onboard grand piano sounds (my emphasis).

I think this is just awkward wording. I'd be quite surprised if SN didn't really mean SN.

If you look at the specs on the brochure, there is no adjustment available for the EPs. The AP engine includes the usual (with one or two minor variations) SN effect controls. I believe that the marketing department chooses their words very carefully...

What is interesting is that, compared with the FP-7F, there are 3 additional sounds in the AP bank, and a bunch of extra ones in the EP category. It would be nice if all the RD-700NX SN AP sounds have made it to the FP series.

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#2059273 - 04/04/13 12:29 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: voxpops]
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Originally Posted By: voxpops
What is interesting is that, compared with the FP-7F, there are 3 additional sounds in the AP bank, and a bunch of extra ones in the EP category. It would be nice if all the RD-700NX SN AP sounds have made it to the FP series.


Too true! Roland needs to get the "Studio Grand" out there on more of their products.

I think the FP80 looks pretty good. A nice shape. I have no doubt that the action is the same as PHA-III Ivory Feel-S; they've just simplified their ridiculous nomenclature, clearly.

More versatile SN pianos (without the dreaded metallic clanking mid range), better EPs and, most crucially of all, better speakers was what was needed and it looks like they just may have delivered on all points. The speakers on the FP-7F are awful so lets hope the FP-80 is much better in that respect.
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#2059277 - 04/04/13 12:32 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Keyboard triple sensor? I did not see it anywhere


Edited by Marko in Boston (04/04/13 12:50 PM)
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#2059289 - 04/04/13 12:51 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Marko in Boston]
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Originally Posted By: Marko in Boston
...I also think tiny speakers on the side seem a little gimmicky and unnecessary. Maybe Roland will prove me wrong...


Those are the smaller speakers intended to project more towards the player. All in all there are 4 speakers.


Edited by Cmin (04/04/13 12:51 PM)
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#2059299 - 04/04/13 01:07 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: EssBrace]
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Originally Posted By: EssBrace
More versatile SN pianos (without the dreaded metallic clanking mid range), .


Yep, specifically the Ab & A a +5 and 6th above middle C. It's on the 700NX with the Concert grand but not the Studio grand-very strange. That was a deal breaker for me with that board, I can't believe they missed that.
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#2059301 - 04/04/13 01:09 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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@Cmin; The side speakers are so close to speakers on top I cant see how much it would make for a big difference or experience. They should have just focused on two powerful speakers like a CP300 (2x30w), or even the new Korg280 (2x22w). I just have a feeling it's still going to have some of the LH distortion of the FP7F. However, it is still clever and innovating design. Looks great, but....


Edited by Marko in Boston (04/04/13 01:16 PM)
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#2059330 - 04/04/13 01:58 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Quote : "More versatile SN pianos (without the dreaded metallic clanking mid range)"

Who said they changed anything in the AP presets ? Looks all the same to me ; no Super Natural V2 or something like that with changed and improved algorithms and/or new sample set (!)

Seems their milking the same basic set of SN sounds since SN was introduced. I hope I'm wrong and the AP is indeed improved and got rid of the artificial metallic ring...

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#2059336 - 04/04/13 02:06 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Update on price : € 1799 over here (same as FP7F) - so that's not too bad.

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#2059340 - 04/04/13 02:09 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: JFP]
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Originally Posted By: JFP
Update on price : € 1799 over here (same as FP7F) - so that's not too bad.

Where???
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#2059360 - 04/04/13 03:05 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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So the FP-80 is an FP-7F with possibly better speakers. Probably with the same action and the same piano sound. Maybe with better EP's (badly needed, too). And the Hammond simulator is gone.

I wish Roland would hire someone with slightly better communcation skills to write their damn ads, though.
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#2059368 - 04/04/13 03:20 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: torhu]
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And the Hammond simulator is gone.

No, I think the tonewheel simulator is still in there.
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#2059385 - 04/04/13 04:08 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: voxpops]
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Maybe it is, but all I can find is the phrase "essential organ tones".
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#2059387 - 04/04/13 04:13 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: torhu]
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I wish Roland would hire someone with slightly better communcation skills to write their damn ads, though.


Kawai James a.k.a "Roland James".... just a thought ;-)
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