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#2052855 - 03/23/13 08:59 AM Re: Free Piano Tuning Software for Windows [Re: daniokeeper]
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Quote:
would prevent you from attaining a perfect tuning.


I find that pianos prevent me from attaining a perfect tning.....

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#2052857 - 03/23/13 09:02 AM Re: Free Piano Tuning Software for Windows [Re: daniokeeper]
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Why would you want to tune your windows? wink
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#2052864 - 03/23/13 09:25 AM Re: Free Piano Tuning Software for Windows [Re: daniokeeper]
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Internet economic model (I mean Google, to simplify) is not adapted to traditional artisanal work as piano tuning, repair, etc.

I cannot see how I could tune your piano at distance, and being paid by Google ads.

Then I could do 5 "virtual" tunings a day, but the physical expense would remain. ( I heard that the Hollandese tuners syndicate had negotiated with piano shop owners so not to do more than 6 tunings a day !)
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#2052868 - 03/23/13 09:35 AM Re: Free Piano Tuning Software for Windows [Re: daniokeeper]
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xx wrong thread


Edited by Olek (03/23/13 09:36 AM)
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#2055046 - 03/27/13 10:53 AM Re: Free Piano Tuning Software for Windows [Re: daniokeeper]
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From now on, UltraTune can be found at http://www.ultratune.nl.

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#2055056 - 03/27/13 11:40 AM Re: Free Piano Tuning Software for Windows [Re: filiptb]
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Will the program run on Mac, or Windows only?

Thanks,
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#2055059 - 03/27/13 11:56 AM Re: Free Piano Tuning Software for Windows [Re: daniokeeper]
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The program is currently Windows-only. I am not currently planning on creating a version for Mac. My goal is to make it on par with the commercial programs. When I accomplish that goal, I will try to go cross-platform (but probably starting with Android first).

Unfortunately I do not own a Mac which makes developing for that platform currently impossible.

Of course, since the program is open source, you are free to try and port the code to make a Mac version yourself.

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#2055526 - 03/28/13 08:47 AM Re: Free Piano Tuning Software for Windows [Re: filiptb]
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Thanks! I have a PC to put it on, but since my work laptop is a mac and much newer I thought I'd ask. Thanks for the suggestion on modifying the software- I'm doing well to just run the computer without hurting myself, so I better pass on any code work!

Cool thing you're doing here!
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#2059478 - 04/04/13 09:27 PM Re: Free Piano Tuning Software for Windows [Re: daniokeeper]
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#2059513 - 04/04/13 11:04 PM Re: Free Piano Tuning Software for Windows [Re: Weiyan]
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Originally Posted By: Weiyan
OhZZZZ.
Microsoft.DiretX.DirectSound not found.


Hi Weiyan,

If you look at my first post, you will see that I updated Windows and then updated DirectX. After that, it started working.

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#2059755 - 04/05/13 10:40 AM Re: Free Piano Tuning Software for Windows [Re: filiptb]
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Originally Posted By: filiptb
From now on, UltraTune can be found at http://www.ultratune.nl.


Today there is a product named EasyTune being given away from

http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/

The strange thing is that the screen shots of EasyTune look exactly like UltraTune and the PDF manuals of the two appear to be word for word the same. And EasyTune is also being sold from

http://www.slysoft.biz/easytune/

Edit: Another commenter at giveawayoftheday.com was able to prove that EasyTune was a recompile of the UltraTune source code with the program name and copyright changed. I'm surprised that giveawayoftheday.com did not withdraw EasyTune once that was shown.

Larry


Edited by LarryF (04/05/13 07:35 PM)
Edit Reason: Add additional information

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#2060462 - 04/06/13 05:31 PM Re: Free Piano Tuning Software for Windows [Re: daniokeeper]
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Originally Posted By: daniokeeper
Originally Posted By: Weiyan
OhZZZZ.
Microsoft.DiretX.DirectSound not found.


Hi Weiyan,

If you look at my first post, you will see that I updated Windows and then updated DirectX. After that, it started working.

-Joe


Thank you for the reply. I am using Windows 8. Checked for update. It reported no newer update. Win 8 come with DirectX 11.1. It may incompatible with win 8.

Quote:
System.IO.FileNotFoundException: can not load compoment or document 'Microsoft.DirectX.DirectSound, Version=1.0.2902.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=31bf3856ad364e35' or one of the dependencies. System can not find the document.
Document name: 'Microsoft.DirectX.DirectSound, Version=1.0.2902.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=31bf3856ad364e35'
at UltraTune.frmMain.frmMain_Load(Object sender, EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Form.OnLoad(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Form.OnCreateControl()
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl(Boolean fIgnoreVisible)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl()
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmShowWindow(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ScrollableControl.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ContainerControl.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Form.WmShowWindow(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Form.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)




Edited by Weiyan (04/06/13 05:38 PM)
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#2060678 - 04/07/13 08:26 AM Re: Free Piano Tuning Software for Windows [Re: Weiyan]
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There are still some missing dlls etc. You need to install the
DirectX End-User Runtime. It works with Windows 8 too.

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=35

Edit: And .NET Framework 3.5

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh506443.aspx


Edited by Hakki (04/07/13 08:32 AM)
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#2060921 - 04/07/13 06:20 PM Re: Free Piano Tuning Software for Windows [Re: daniokeeper]
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Thank you Hakki for the information re DirectX. This will install optional DirectX that is not included in most windows installations. I am running win7-32 and after web install UltraTune started working without any problems. Maybe filiptb can post this information on his website UltraTune.nl along with the binary and code. Seems as if there are a lot of people having this problem with ultratune. Thanks again.

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#2060984 - 04/07/13 08:07 PM Re: Free Piano Tuning Software for Windows [Re: daniokeeper]
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Hakki,

Thank you. It works after installing DirectX runtime.

My windows machine is a quad core desktop. I only test it with guitar and recorder. I like the minimal screen layout. If using the stripping bar of tunelab is more intuitive.
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#2061226 - 04/08/13 10:46 AM Re: Free Piano Tuning Software for Windows [Re: LarryF]
filiptb Offline
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Originally Posted By: LarryF
Originally Posted By: filiptb
From now on, UltraTune can be found at http://www.ultratune.nl.


Today there is a product named EasyTune being given away from

http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/

The strange thing is that the screen shots of EasyTune look exactly like UltraTune and the PDF manuals of the two appear to be word for word the same. And EasyTune is also being sold from

http://www.slysoft.biz/easytune/

Edit: Another commenter at giveawayoftheday.com was able to prove that EasyTune was a recompile of the UltraTune source code with the program name and copyright changed. I'm surprised that giveawayoftheday.com did not withdraw EasyTune once that was shown.

Larry


Thank you for the heads-up. It is of course ridiculous that slysoft seems to be selling a derivative version of this free software -- which is seemingly a GPL violation. If the copyright has been changed, it is also a copyright violation.

I guess free software developers can't do much about this problem, though.

As for continued development: I have very little time in the next two weeks, so the next version will take some time to be released.

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#2062342 - 04/10/13 10:00 AM Re: Free Piano Tuning Software for Windows [Re: daniokeeper]
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Well you probably can do something about it.

1) Veritune would be pleased to hear about it, it really is worse than yours being free.

2) Someone must support obvious GPL / trademark infringements

3) Why did you open source the project, are there some parts that require it?

Do a 'whois' on the slysoft website, that ought to provide enough information for you to pass on.

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#2062486 - 04/10/13 05:43 PM Re: Free Piano Tuning Software for Windows [Re: daniokeeper]
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I am loving it!! Ultra Tune rules!

Thank you so very much!!

-H.W.

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#2091177 - 05/29/13 07:13 AM Re: Free Piano Tuning Software for Windows [Re: daniokeeper]
Per Sundberg Offline
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www.ultratune.nl

webpage down?

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#2091454 - 05/29/13 02:56 PM Re: Free Piano Tuning Software for Windows [Re: daniokeeper]
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I'm also interested in this software. Does anyone have a copy of the install file or the zipped folder they can upload to mediafire.com?
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#2091491 - 05/29/13 04:14 PM Re: Free Piano Tuning Software for Windows [Re: Per Sundberg]
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Originally Posted By: Per Sundberg
www.ultratune.nl

webpage down?


It responds to pings, but doesn't seem to be otherwise "up".
I have been trying from time to time for 6 hours or so.

So, perhaps the owner can give it a wake-up call ?

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#2091502 - 05/29/13 04:25 PM Re: Free Piano Tuning Software for Windows [Re: Allan W.]
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Originally Posted By: Allan W.
I'm also interested in this software. Does anyone have a copy of the install file or the zipped folder they can upload to mediafire.com?


Google drive link:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7RZlWNN3tUjZ0N3Y01ubEstUjg/edit?usp=sharing

/Per

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#2091592 - 05/29/13 07:20 PM Re: Free Piano Tuning Software for Windows [Re: daniokeeper]
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It looks really simplistic, which of course doesn't mean much, but has anyone here tried it out?

I'll give it a shot recording some notes and see what it reports about inharmonicity.
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#2216157 - 01/17/14 10:52 AM Re: Free Piano Tuning Software for Windows [Re: Per Sundberg]
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Thanks for sharing that Per!

Does anybody have the source code? Would be interested to see if I can maintain/improve the software, but I can't find the code anywhere.

Here's another mirror for UltraTune.v0.2.4.zip in case Per's link breaks:
https://mega.co.nz/#!9sAlQAoZ!OyFM3UVB9smPqNgv_i7JhmsXwRcNuhzO3v28UMIAF_E


Edited by chrisbaume (01/17/14 10:55 AM)

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#2216531 - 01/18/14 05:17 AM Re: Free Piano Tuning Software for Windows [Re: daniokeeper]
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Had a look at Pers link but got a warning not to download exe file from security program. Is it safe to download??
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#2293711 - 06/23/14 03:38 AM Re: Free Piano Tuning Software for Windows [Re: daniokeeper]
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I'm resurrecting this topic because I have a question about Ultra Tune, or perhaps generally about ETDs.

Thanks also to Hakki, for the additional links.

I downloaded Ultra Tune 0.2.4 from Per's Google Drive link, and Direct X End-user Runtime updates from MS, in order to test my own aurally tuned temperaments in future. While testing the basic function of the program, I noticed that the data collected for a note (partials detected, their respective offsets, offset of the fundamental, inharmonicity bar indicating completeness of iH data recorded) disappear as soon as the note is no longer detected. Mind you, I tested on full unisons that were not freshly tuned, so I'm not surprised that note detection was somewhat iffy, and didn't last very long.

Still, once a note had been recognized, I would have liked to look at the recorded data at my leisure, but as soon as the note is no longer detected, all data disappear. Is this behaviour typical for ETDs?

The software only has two commands: background noise recording, and selection between stretched (piano) and non-stretched tuning. I can find no "hold" command that "locks" recorded data into the display.

The other interesting thing I tested, was the influence of temperature on my tuning fork. At room temperature, being about 18.5C (65F), it was almost a cent sharp. Gently warmed in my hand, it came very close. And warmed against my body, probably somewhere close to 32C (90F), it was a cent flat. So it seems to be calibrated for about 25C (77F).
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#2293716 - 06/23/14 04:41 AM Re: Free Piano Tuning Software for Windows [Re: daniokeeper]
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Verituner keep all ih data of notes in tuning file which can be viewed later. Tuning fork and the piano frequency usually have negative temperature coefficient This may due to expansion of material in higher temperature.
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#2293829 - 06/23/14 11:12 AM Re: Free Piano Tuning Software for Windows [Re: daniokeeper]
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Mark,

If you remember, I had my piano tuned with Ultratune and posted the sound files for 3rds, 6ths, etc. awhile back. The link to that thread is below.

As you can see, the tuning was found unsatisfactory, because the interval beat rates was not progressive. Plus, while tuning we had a lot of trouble at the extreme bass and treble with having the notes detected by the software.

So it is as of this state seems a software in development stage with very limited and somewhat erroneous results.

But, then again, you can listen to the samples and decide yourself.


Ultratune tuning thread
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#2293977 - 06/23/14 05:12 PM Re: Free Piano Tuning Software for Windows [Re: daniokeeper]
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The version of UltraTune that I have is v0.2.3. This is still a development version, not the finished product. In fact, it seems to be an early development version.

There is no way to correct for soundcard variations like in the other ETD software. You would want to be very careful before relying on U-T at this time, even for setting A4.
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#2294207 - 06/24/14 06:04 AM Re: Free Piano Tuning Software for Windows [Re: daniokeeper]
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Thanks to both of you.

Hakki, I remember that thread and have gone back to the samples. I'd forgotten that you'd used Ultra Tune. I agree that the temperament on those recordings is not satisfactory. The flat F3 sticks out like a sore thumb in most all of the tests. By the way, seeing that so many of the octaves and octave-fifths sound so narrow, do you remember whether your tuner switched the program to stretched (piano) mode? I'll probably use Ultra Tune to tune a temperament and then check the results aurally, just for kicks, before doing things the other way round.

Joe, thanks for the heads-up. I wasn't aware of this. At this stage, I'm more interested in how consistently (repeatable and precise) I can do things, not so much in absolute accuracy. [Edit: but, yes, if I really want to test my pitch and temperament, e.g. for scoring purposes, I should probably get reliable software, or ask a professional to evaluate one of my tunings.)


Edited by Mark R. (06/24/14 06:11 AM)
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