Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

Gifts and supplies for the musician
SEARCH
the Forums & Piano World

This custom search works much better than the built in one and allows searching older posts.
Ad (Piano Sing)
How to Make Your Piano Sing
(ad) Pearl River
Pearl River Pianos
(ad 125) Sweetwater - Digital Keyboards & Other Gear
Digital Pianos at Sweetwater
(ad) Pianoteq
(ad) P B Guide
Acoustic & Digital Piano Guide
Who's Online
153 registered (Adypiano, A Guy, accordeur, 43 invisible), 1802 Guests and 24 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers
*Organs

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Piano Books
*Piano Art, Pictures, & Posters
*Directory/Site Map
*Contest
*Links
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Screen Saver
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords
Forum Stats
76994 Members
42 Forums
159250 Topics
2339342 Posts

Max Online: 15252 @ 03/21/10 11:39 PM
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >
Topic Options
#2059637 - 04/05/13 07:21 AM Do piano tuners perceive a wifi shut down ?
Olek Offline
7000 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/14/08
Posts: 7904
Loc: France
Just a question to piano tuners, essentially.

Could you try to shut down your wifi spot , or better have it shot by someone, and see if you notice less stress ?

I did, I just read about that study recently conducted on rats with very light exposure (under the official threshold)

See INERIS (industrial risk search)http://www.ineris.fr/centredoc/dp-anthomeo-version-definitive-1365002284.pdf

they where surprised themselves to see very clear effects even on very small levels.
They detected an effect on the energetic balance I just can witness of a better sleep but as I did shut down the modem myself cannot know for the physical effect I perceived

I have read that the head of a belgium mobile phone company stopped Wifi at his floor , and try to use phone lines himself

I'd like to hear about your point there - Of course I am fully in plaebo effect, but I am surprised, as I was when detecting something once my mobile phone is shut down before sleeping

Thanks for your feedback
_________________________
It is critical that you call your Senators and Representatives and ask them to cosponsor S. 2587 and H.R. 5052. Getting your legislators to cosponsor these bills


Top
(ad PTG 757) The Value of PTG Membership
The Value of a PTG Membership
#2059697 - 04/05/13 09:18 AM Re: Do piano tuners perceive a wifi shut down ? [Re: Olek]
Silverwood Pianos Offline
4000 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/10/08
Posts: 4221
Loc: Vancouver B. C. Canada


Hi Isaac,
I disabled the wifi in the modem a while back and never noticed any differences in sleep patterns.
_________________________
Dan Silverwood
www.silverwoodpianos.com
http://silverwoodpianos.blogspot.com/
http://www.facebook.com/SilverwoodPianosDotCom
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur."

Top
#2059700 - 04/05/13 09:21 AM Re: Do piano tuners perceive a wifi shut down ? [Re: Olek]
Olek Offline
7000 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/14/08
Posts: 7904
Loc: France
Thanks for answering Dan ,I did but I use it and it was alive at night.

Officially only part of the sleep is modified, but without people noticing it, so I am possibly at 100% in placebo effect.

I feel a low stress once the modem is disabled, immediately.
Certainly out of range of the hearing
_________________________
It is critical that you call your Senators and Representatives and ask them to cosponsor S. 2587 and H.R. 5052. Getting your legislators to cosponsor these bills


Top
#2059701 - 04/05/13 09:23 AM Re: Do piano tuners perceive a wifi shut down ? [Re: Olek]
Silverwood Pianos Offline
4000 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/10/08
Posts: 4221
Loc: Vancouver B. C. Canada

I really don’t like living inside any type of electromagnetic field but it is difficult to get away from these days entirely.
_________________________
Dan Silverwood
www.silverwoodpianos.com
http://silverwoodpianos.blogspot.com/
http://www.facebook.com/SilverwoodPianosDotCom
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur."

Top
#2059706 - 04/05/13 09:29 AM Re: Do piano tuners perceive a wifi shut down ? [Re: Olek]
Olek Offline
7000 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/14/08
Posts: 7904
Loc: France
it is surprising I did perceive some change, so I will make tests with my son shutting down the modem ... Anyway if only the idea that the modem is shot is enough to have a better sleep I am all for it;)
_________________________
It is critical that you call your Senators and Representatives and ask them to cosponsor S. 2587 and H.R. 5052. Getting your legislators to cosponsor these bills


Top
#2059714 - 04/05/13 09:36 AM Re: Do piano tuners perceive a wifi shut down ? [Re: Olek]
Silverwood Pianos Offline
4000 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/10/08
Posts: 4221
Loc: Vancouver B. C. Canada

Some will feel an effect while others may not.
_________________________
Dan Silverwood
www.silverwoodpianos.com
http://silverwoodpianos.blogspot.com/
http://www.facebook.com/SilverwoodPianosDotCom
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur."

Top
#2059753 - 04/05/13 10:36 AM Re: Do piano tuners perceive a wifi shut down ? [Re: Olek]
BDB Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 06/07/03
Posts: 21804
Loc: Oakland
Compared to the strength of radio waves we are exposed to from radio, television and any other number of other sources, wifi is nothing.
_________________________
Semipro Tech

Top
#2059762 - 04/05/13 10:50 AM Re: Do piano tuners perceive a wifi shut down ? [Re: BDB]
pyropaul Offline
Full Member

Registered: 11/16/10
Posts: 190
Loc: Montreal
You might shut your own wifi modem, but what about your neighbour's? And there's still the same frequency radiowaves coming from cellphone networks. It's virtually impossible to shield yourself from radiation in this part of the spectrum unless you put yourself into a Faraday Cage. The placebo effect is very strong. The only true way to tell is to use a double-blind testing methodology (neither the tester not the testee know the state). In all tests that have been done with people who claim "electrosensitivity" to cellphones, none of them could actually tell the difference any more than a random choice of answer.

There is so much fear, uncertainty and doubt being promulgated these days that I find that more stressful than any of the supposed "radiation" effects. There's a lot of money being made on selling people "shields" for this or to "clean up" so-called "dirty" electricity. Sadly, there are a lot of people who are very suggestible and they will pay-up. Then the placebo effect works again as they are "cured" by these miraculous devices they bought.

Top
#2059794 - 04/05/13 11:56 AM Re: Do piano tuners perceive a wifi shut down ? [Re: pyropaul]
AndyJ Offline
Full Member

Registered: 09/29/12
Posts: 219
Loc: Near Dayton, Ohio USA
I worked with a guy who was always ready to spend money on highly dubious items. One day he showed up wearing a big round pendant with a labyrinth-like pattern on it. I saw at a glance that it was a printed circuit card which would've cost less than a dollar to make. He'd paid $100 for it as an "EMF protection shield". I don't think the promotional materials mentioned this, but I'm pretty sure that in southwest Ohio where he lived, the item is also 100% effective as an elephant repellent.

-Andy

Top
#2059809 - 04/05/13 12:20 PM Re: Do piano tuners perceive a wifi shut down ? [Re: Olek]
Olek Offline
7000 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/14/08
Posts: 7904
Loc: France
Thanks guys but I am not ready to buy any gadget, I just shut down my cell phone and wifi in my home at night (and the tv) the wifi from my neighbours is very weak here. Now I certainly live in cell phone antennas range, as many of us.

I will let you know if my testings provide any result. .

As an Italian engineer had recognized that the 12 years he passed with 6 hours a day a cell phone on his ear gives him a brain tumor, I would certainly understand that risk is not zero.

That said, watching the TV also raise my stress level wink
_________________________
It is critical that you call your Senators and Representatives and ask them to cosponsor S. 2587 and H.R. 5052. Getting your legislators to cosponsor these bills


Top
#2059813 - 04/05/13 12:24 PM Re: Do piano tuners perceive a wifi shut down ? [Re: BDB]
Loren D Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 06/22/10
Posts: 2546
Loc: PA
Originally Posted By: BDB
Compared to the strength of radio waves we are exposed to from radio, television and any other number of other sources, wifi is nothing.


Bingo! Unless you live in a Faraday cage, RF is running through you at this very moment from a variety of sources.
_________________________
DiGiorgi Piano Service (1984-2013)
http://www.digiorgipiano.com

Top
#2059815 - 04/05/13 12:26 PM Re: Do piano tuners perceive a wifi shut down ? [Re: pyropaul]
Loren D Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 06/22/10
Posts: 2546
Loc: PA
Originally Posted By: pyropaul
You might shut your own wifi modem, but what about your neighbour's? And there's still the same frequency radiowaves coming from cellphone networks. It's virtually impossible to shield yourself from radiation in this part of the spectrum unless you put yourself into a Faraday Cage. The placebo effect is very strong. The only true way to tell is to use a double-blind testing methodology (neither the tester not the testee know the state). In all tests that have been done with people who claim "electrosensitivity" to cellphones, none of them could actually tell the difference any more than a random choice of answer.

There is so much fear, uncertainty and doubt being promulgated these days that I find that more stressful than any of the supposed "radiation" effects. There's a lot of money being made on selling people "shields" for this or to "clean up" so-called "dirty" electricity. Sadly, there are a lot of people who are very suggestible and they will pay-up. Then the placebo effect works again as they are "cured" by these miraculous devices they bought.


Exactly. Plus, many people hear the word "radiation" and go into a panic, thinking radio frequency radiation is the same as ionizing radiation. The only thing RF can do is cause localized heating of tissue, and even then, only in the hundreds of watts range. I really believe the .5 watts that is emitted by your cell phone does nothing adverse to you.
_________________________
DiGiorgi Piano Service (1984-2013)
http://www.digiorgipiano.com

Top
#2059818 - 04/05/13 12:28 PM Re: Do piano tuners perceive a wifi shut down ? [Re: Olek]
Loren D Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 06/22/10
Posts: 2546
Loc: PA
Originally Posted By: Olek

As an Italian engineer had recognized that the 12 years he passed with 6 hours a day a cell phone on his ear gives him a brain tumor, I would certainly understand that risk is not zero.

That said, watching the TV also raise my stress level wink



I would be interested in seeing scientific data that verifies that conclusion. To date, there is no scientific link between cell phones and brain tumors (that I'm aware of).

Like I said, we are constantly being bombarded by radio waves much stronger than wifi.
_________________________
DiGiorgi Piano Service (1984-2013)
http://www.digiorgipiano.com

Top
#2059830 - 04/05/13 12:44 PM Re: Do piano tuners perceive a wifi shut down ? [Re: Olek]
BDB Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 06/07/03
Posts: 21804
Loc: Oakland
Turning off your cell phone does not reduce the amount of cellular radio waves. Most of it comes from the stationary antennas.
_________________________
Semipro Tech

Top
#2059841 - 04/05/13 01:03 PM Re: Do piano tuners perceive a wifi shut down ? [Re: Olek]
Olek Offline
7000 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/14/08
Posts: 7904
Loc: France
Sure but I just did it and felt something , located on my heart region.

As if a weight was taken off there


Placebo, placebo !
_________________________
It is critical that you call your Senators and Representatives and ask them to cosponsor S. 2587 and H.R. 5052. Getting your legislators to cosponsor these bills


Top
#2059856 - 04/05/13 01:48 PM Re: Do piano tuners perceive a wifi shut down ? [Re: Olek]
Silverwood Pianos Offline
4000 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/10/08
Posts: 4221
Loc: Vancouver B. C. Canada
Originally Posted By: Olek
Sure but I just did it and felt something , located on my heart region.

As if a weight was taken off there


Placebo, placebo !



Well, that is a different symptom. The fat lady finished singing and then sat down on your chest.
_________________________
Dan Silverwood
www.silverwoodpianos.com
http://silverwoodpianos.blogspot.com/
http://www.facebook.com/SilverwoodPianosDotCom
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur."

Top
#2060032 - 04/05/13 08:37 PM Re: Do piano tuners perceive a wifi shut down ? [Re: Silverwood Pianos]
Grandpianoman Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/12/05
Posts: 2398
Loc: Portland, Oregon
I wonder if this would help:



Top
#2060040 - 04/05/13 08:59 PM Re: Do piano tuners perceive a wifi shut down ? [Re: Grandpianoman]
David Jenson Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 10/22/06
Posts: 2173
Loc: Maine
Originally Posted By: Grandpianoman
I wonder if this would help:


That'll shield your ears from EMR stuff, but you're likely to loose your hearing.

Look on the bright side. You won't be able to hear your Dr. say you have a brain tumor.
_________________________
David L. Jenson
Tuning - Repairs - Refurbishing
Jenson's Piano Service
-----

Top
#2060081 - 04/05/13 10:51 PM Re: Do piano tuners perceive a wifi shut down ? [Re: Olek]
rnaple Offline

Silver Supporter until April 24 2014


Registered: 12/23/10
Posts: 2107
Loc: Rocky Mountains
We would be foolish to not consider what all the radio waves that are being transmitted are doing to us. Probably not good.

Some friends told me about a friend of theirs who was paranoid about a nearby nuclear plant. This guy actually owned his own Geiger Counter. Carried it around with him all the time. They said he was a real pain with that thing. I told them to go buy some wicks for coleman lanterns. Leave them around his house and car. smile
_________________________
Ron
Your brain is a sponge. Keep it wet. Mary Gae George
The focus of your personal practice is discipline. Not numbers. Scott Sonnon

Top
#2060083 - 04/05/13 10:57 PM Re: Do piano tuners perceive a wifi shut down ? [Re: Olek]
Horowitzian Offline
8000 Post Club Member

Registered: 09/18/08
Posts: 8453
A friend of mine who owns a gauss meter figured out pretty conclusively that the refrigerator/freezer, clothes dryer, and nearby high voltage power lines are the most significant sources of e/m fields in a domestic setting.


Edited by Horowitzian (04/05/13 10:59 PM)
_________________________
Close only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, and nuclear weapons.

Top
#2060086 - 04/05/13 11:08 PM Re: Do piano tuners perceive a wifi shut down ? [Re: Olek]
David Jenson Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 10/22/06
Posts: 2173
Loc: Maine
I sleep with an aluminum foil (erroneously called tin foil) hat on. It makes my head sweat and itch a bit, but it protects me from my refrigerator EM, and the government can't read my mind or mess with my dreams. laugh
_________________________
David L. Jenson
Tuning - Repairs - Refurbishing
Jenson's Piano Service
-----

Top
#2060092 - 04/05/13 11:11 PM Re: Do piano tuners perceive a wifi shut down ? [Re: Olek]
rnaple Offline

Silver Supporter until April 24 2014


Registered: 12/23/10
Posts: 2107
Loc: Rocky Mountains
I was involved in testing emf for this very reason. Worked under a couple engineers. They found the highest fields were from hair dryers. Then, things like blenders, vacuum cleaners. Cheaper appliances you use in your hand.
Outside power lines were nothing compared to this stuff. They found that the refrigerators, washers, dryers... no comparison to the others mentioned.
_________________________
Ron
Your brain is a sponge. Keep it wet. Mary Gae George
The focus of your personal practice is discipline. Not numbers. Scott Sonnon

Top
#2060176 - 04/06/13 04:08 AM Re: Do piano tuners perceive a wifi shut down ? [Re: Olek]
miscrms Offline
Full Member

Registered: 12/29/12
Posts: 187
Loc: Phoenix, AZ
Well that's a tricky one, and as this thread demonstrates a pretty polarizing issue. Lots of people like to worry about it, and lots of people like to make fun of those who worry about it. IMHO the reality is, like many of the things we are introducing into our daily environment we really have no idea what the long term health effects are.

FWIW I happen to be an EE with a background in microwave communications and radar systems, though I've been in fiber-optic microelectronics for the past ~10 years. That's not to say I pretend to be any sort of an expert on the health effects of EM radiation, I just know enough to realize that most of the arguments presented on the topic don't make much sense.

A couple of somewhat important points that are usually glossed over:

- The energy conveyed by an EM wave is directly proportional to its frequency. So for the same power level, a cell phone or wifi signal operating in a GHz band has about 10-1000 times more energy than TV/Radio signals. As mentioned motors/compressors etc in household appliance can create substantial amounts of EM radiation, but at 60Hz, these have about 83 million times less energy per watt than a 5GHz wifi signal.

- The power density of a transmitted EM wave typically decreases with the square of the distance from the source. So your own wifi base station 10' away is effectively about 1000 times more powerful than your neighbor's 300' away. Similarly a 50W cellphone base station a mile away produces about 1/15th the local power density of an 0.125W cell phone 1' away.

Combining these two points, the absorbed energy from a 50,000W 100MHz FM transmitter 5 miles away is roughly 1/300,000 that of an 0.125W 2GHz cell phone 1' foot away.

The power level of a wifi router is rather small compared to a cell phone, about 0.028W vs. 0.125W. It can be up to 2X in frequency, but energy is still lower and its usually not as close as your cellphone. However, your cellphone power is intermittent, it varies depending on signal strength (more power when weaker) and just checks in on the network periodically at low power unless in active use. Wifi is typically on all the time.

Does it concern me? Yes. Does their seem to be any solid evidence its harmful? No. Is it feasible that long term exposure to close sources of high frequency EM radiation could have long term effects on health or behavior? Probably. Have the studies been done to show beyond a reasonable doubt that they don't? No. Will they ever? Doubtful. Proving long term effects on large populations at low dosage is extremely difficult, and given how much money there is to be made on wireless technologies there is not much incentive.

FWIW I have wifi, use a cellphone, and only hide in our Faraday cage here at work occasionally wink

On the other hand, why not turn off your wifi and anything else you don't need at night? It may or may not make any difference, but you might as well save a little electricity smile

Rob
_________________________
1874 Steinway Upright "Franken" Stein

Top
#2060180 - 04/06/13 04:29 AM Re: Do piano tuners perceive a wifi shut down ? [Re: Olek]
miscrms Offline
Full Member

Registered: 12/29/12
Posts: 187
Loc: Phoenix, AZ
I always used to get a kick out of the story one of the grey beards at my co-op used to tell about doing field testing of a microwave antenna system on an aircraft carrier in the North Atlantic. Apparently several times a day they'd have to go up and shoo the seamen on watch away from the antenna, because they had discovered if they stood right in the focal point it was nice and warm wink

Rob
_________________________
1874 Steinway Upright "Franken" Stein

Top
#2060208 - 04/06/13 06:02 AM Re: Do piano tuners perceive a wifi shut down ? [Re: miscrms]
Olek Offline
7000 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/14/08
Posts: 7904
Loc: France
May be the fishes liked that too. Thanks r you explanations. I just continue to notice a better sleep quality with all shut down.

The studies on risks are made by a state laboratory working on Industrial risk, even with some probing results, the regulations will be as hard to vote than laws to fight fiscal fraud to Luxemburg, Switzerland, Caiman Islands, etc..

WIFI is not allowed in some German schools (it may depend of landers) .

Of course searchers are approached by the cell phone companies, they are also interested in the results. Then they can also push some direction. Those things where in the classified secret range (and are yet) so it is indeed difficult to have good information.
Thank you for your explanations.

Btw I felt a "tick" in the central nevralgic point above my eyes when I powered on my cell phone today. Not a pain, something....
I suspect that this only helps to raise our stress level, if our body perceive that as agression..

I wil forward the English document, they believe that it is the regular peaks in some of the composites of radiations , that where responsible for the effect , as the level of exposure was very low (eating more, modified paradoxal sleep)..
_________________________
It is critical that you call your Senators and Representatives and ask them to cosponsor S. 2587 and H.R. 5052. Getting your legislators to cosponsor these bills


Top
#2060217 - 04/06/13 06:48 AM Re: Do piano tuners perceive a wifi shut down ? [Re: Horowitzian]
Loren D Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 06/22/10
Posts: 2546
Loc: PA
Originally Posted By: Horowitzian
A friend of mine who owns a gauss meter figured out pretty conclusively that the refrigerator/freezer, clothes dryer, and nearby high voltage power lines are the most significant sources of e/m fields in a domestic setting.


Yep! And this is easily verifiable by the interference to radio that these sources cause when they start to emit. A timer from a washing machine can send RF interference every 50Khz up and down the dial. As someone said in a reply earlier, turning off wifi does absolutely nothing to reduce your exposure to RF or electromagnetic fields.
_________________________
DiGiorgi Piano Service (1984-2013)
http://www.digiorgipiano.com

Top
#2060218 - 04/06/13 06:49 AM Re: Do piano tuners perceive a wifi shut down ? [Re: David Jenson]
Loren D Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 06/22/10
Posts: 2546
Loc: PA
Originally Posted By: David Jenson
I sleep with an aluminum foil (erroneously called tin foil) hat on. It makes my head sweat and itch a bit, but it protects me from my refrigerator EM, and the government can't read my mind or mess with my dreams. laugh


Ok, thank you for causing me to spit tea all over my laptop. laugh
_________________________
DiGiorgi Piano Service (1984-2013)
http://www.digiorgipiano.com

Top
#2060220 - 04/06/13 06:52 AM Re: Do piano tuners perceive a wifi shut down ? [Re: miscrms]
Loren D Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 06/22/10
Posts: 2546
Loc: PA
Originally Posted By: miscrms
I always used to get a kick out of the story one of the grey beards at my co-op used to tell about doing field testing of a microwave antenna system on an aircraft carrier in the North Atlantic. Apparently several times a day they'd have to go up and shoo the seamen on watch away from the antenna, because they had discovered if they stood right in the focal point it was nice and warm wink

Rob


Those high gain microwave dish antennas can definitely generate heat, and standing next to one while transmitting can definitely expose you to levels well beyond the MPE (maximum permissible exposure). And yeah, they will definitely heat you up!
_________________________
DiGiorgi Piano Service (1984-2013)
http://www.digiorgipiano.com

Top
#2063664 - 04/12/13 06:47 PM Re: Do piano tuners perceive a wifi shut down ? [Re: Olek]
Olek Offline
7000 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/14/08
Posts: 7904
Loc: France
BTW the study is in English and in line

http://link.springer.com/journal/11356
(I will have a better link soon)

It is apparently possible to hear a frequncy due to the WIfi plus cell phones, it have been recorded (with special mikes to record high frequencies)

They think it can be a partials (15-16 Khz range) of 36-80 Khz frequencies.

It could mix with the WIfi and create other tones, also.
_________________________
It is critical that you call your Senators and Representatives and ask them to cosponsor S. 2587 and H.R. 5052. Getting your legislators to cosponsor these bills


Top
#2064399 - 04/14/13 09:57 AM Re: Do piano tuners perceive a wifi shut down ? [Re: Olek]
wouter79 Offline
3000 Post Club Member

Registered: 02/14/10
Posts: 3601
There are studies suggesting dangerous effects of EM fields, in spite of absence of good physical explanations for it.

For example, living near power lines

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4602315.stm

It's hard to believe this is all due to a placebo effect.

There is some evidence that there might be long term risks from using cell phones

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phone_radiation_and_health
_________________________

Top
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >

Moderator:  Piano World 
What's Hot!!
HOW TO POST PICTURES on the Piano Forums
-------------------
Sharing is Caring!
About the Buttons
-------------------
Forums Rules & Help
-------------------
ADVERTISE
on Piano World

The world's most popular piano web site.
-------------------
PIANO BOOKS
Interesting books about the piano, pianists, piano history, biographies, memoirs and more!
(ad) Piano Music Sale - Dover Publications
Piano Music Sale
Ad (Seiler/Knabe)
Seiler Pianos
(ad) HAILUN Pianos
Hailun Pianos - Click for More
(125ad) Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad) Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restoration
(ad) Estonia Piano
Estonia Pianos
Sheet Music Plus (125)
Sheet Music Plus Featured Sale
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Advice for a returner
by tried42long
11/21/14 03:40 PM
Humidity and condensation
by Phil Greenough
11/21/14 03:37 PM
CA95 - Midi - Play From Usb Stick
by McBuster
11/21/14 03:33 PM
Plate crack
by Chris Leslie
11/21/14 03:14 PM
Garritan Abbey Road CFX on sale for $199 ($100 off...)
by bfb
11/21/14 02:17 PM
(ads by Google)

Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
|
Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World | Donate | Link to Us | Classifieds |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | Press Room |


copyright 1997 - 2014 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission