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#2062724 - 04/11/13 03:32 AM Physispiano K4-K5 - new master 88/76 keys
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Did you see this?!
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#2062728 - 04/11/13 03:44 AM Re: Physispiano K4-K5 - new master 88/76 keys [Re: Qbert]
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Great - seems someone listened ;

- 88 key weighted with aftertouch (!!!)
- 19,8 KG (not ultra light , but quite manageable)
- plenty of controls
- modular design - you can add sound engines.

Wonder when it will be available and what it will cost. Also what 88 keys are inside ; TP40Wood again ? Considering the Numa Concert is only 20kg it should be possible. Would love it if that is true.

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#2062738 - 04/11/13 04:33 AM Re: Physispiano K4-K5 - new master 88/76 keys [Re: Qbert]
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Any prices yet in Italy?

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#2062741 - 04/11/13 04:42 AM Re: Physispiano K4-K5 - new master 88/76 keys [Re: spanishbuddha]
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... no sorry, I'm looking forward!

I hope it will keep the same price range of Numa Black and VPC1


Edited by Qbert (04/11/13 05:09 AM)
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#2062745 - 04/11/13 04:55 AM Re: Physispiano K4-K5 - new master 88/76 keys [Re: Qbert]
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My feeling says € 1999 here in Europe at the big retailers. I don't expect it to come cheap (like Numa Black / VPC). Why should it ; has a lot more controls and potential and is much more portable. Finally a real master-keyboard controller like they used to be in the 80's and early 90's !

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#2062751 - 04/11/13 05:16 AM Re: Physispiano K4-K5 - new master 88/76 keys [Re: Qbert]
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Who's building the action? Is this a custom made new action, and using what technology out of the blue? Or is this the same old Fatar action again every other maker uses? I'm afraid I don't want to get to know the answer...

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#2062754 - 04/11/13 05:23 AM Re: Physispiano K4-K5 - new master 88/76 keys [Re: Qbert]
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The FATAR actions seem to be renewed as of lately. The TP40Wood got three sensors now, more keybeds come with aftertouch and the TP100 seems to have been enhanced as well (three sensors, who knows what other improvements). I wouldn't write off the latest incarnations of the FATAR's right away without having tried them for real. What I hope for is finally:

TP40Wood with triple sensor , aftertouch, Ivory touch and product enhancements where needed
TP100 with triple sensor , aftertouch, Ivory touch and product enhancements where needed

A new TP100 may still not be graded , but on the other hand it's light weight and may be a good compromise in portability and decent playability.

Hope some people get to know more and try the new FATAR's on the show floor

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#2062855 - 04/11/13 11:12 AM Re: Physispiano K4-K5 - new master 88/76 keys [Re: Qbert]
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One of these is just the keyboard, without the engine, which can be added, and the others have the engine already installed?

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#2063133 - 04/11/13 09:11 PM Re: Physispiano K4-K5 - new master 88/76 keys [Re: Qbert]
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Excellent!

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#2063520 - 04/12/13 02:36 PM Re: Physispiano K4-K5 - new master 88/76 keys [Re: Qbert]
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In the specs list for the K4-K5, there is mention of two expansion slots:

EXPANSIONS - 2 x Sound Expansion Slots

One would be for the Physis piano engine. The second would be for sampled sounds?


Edited by Jake Jackson (04/12/13 04:31 PM)

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#2064833 - 04/15/13 07:40 AM Re: Physispiano K4-K5 - new master 88/76 keys [Re: Qbert]
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According to Viscount the K4 will have the same keybed as the H1; the TP40Wood tri-sensor keybed.

Not bad, considering it's even a bit less weight than the already lightweight same wood-key Numa Concert AND has all these nice controls + after touch. Let me repeat : + aftertouch (in a high end piano keybed). And the option to add Phyis Piano models later on...

My estimated street price € 1750 ~ € 1795 (retail € 2050); delivery in september.

Very nice board so it seems. Pity it's not available right away...; for those wanting a portable (!) gigging controller with good keys and all the controls you may wish for - and even optional soundboards - this is the machine you've been waiting for.

Sidenote: if Korg would be wise they add this keybed in their next Kronos incarnation too and get rid of the clumsy RH3 failure , making the product finally worth it's price...

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#2065919 - 04/17/13 08:59 AM Re: Physispiano K4-K5 - new master 88/76 keys [Re: JFP]
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Originally Posted By: JFP
My feeling says € 1999 here in Europe

It looks like you're right, at least for K4. First rumors from Musikmesse tell of 2000 euro with no sound board. It's a pity, it WAS interesting!
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#2065984 - 04/17/13 11:43 AM Re: Physispiano K4-K5 - new master 88/76 keys [Re: Qbert]
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Yes, $2000+ US for just the controller seems very high.

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#2065994 - 04/17/13 12:29 PM Re: Physispiano K4-K5 - new master 88/76 keys [Re: Jake Jackson]
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Originally Posted By: Jake Jackson
Yes, $2000+ US for just the controller seems very high.

OTOH, I think the closest board to this might be the old Roland A90, which I think sold in about that price range 15+ years ago. And while the electronics for sounds has gotten much cheaper since then (the computer based stuff... DSP processing, memory, etc.), the elements of a soundless controller really haven't.

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#2066010 - 04/17/13 01:18 PM Re: Physispiano K4-K5 - new master 88/76 keys [Re: Qbert]
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32 lbs for 76 keys is reasonable. I wonder if they just lop off the top octave?

But those knobs stick up kind of high (fragile looking) and I sort of hate sliders (I sort of hate any kind of potentiometer used for digital input because the current position is often meaningless, and the current setting is often destroyed by fiddling with it - I suppose there are 9 here for drawbar organ use).
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#2066056 - 04/17/13 02:47 PM Re: Physispiano K4-K5 - new master 88/76 keys [Re: Qbert]
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If the streetprice is indeed around € 1750 , that is a considerable amount of money - but seen in the light of the features the K4 seems to offer I am not surprised.

Just for the idea; if you take an MP10 or RD-700NX and strip it of the sound engine, how much would it save you in terms of money. Streetprice RD700 is roughly € 2400 over here. Leaves a difference of € 650 for just the sounds. The K4 offers for this money less weight , has a wooden / responsive keybed , a ton of controls and connections, aftertouch and hopefully a good way of programming and interfacing with your preferred software. And still has the option to add internal sounds, if you decide you can't live with a software only solution in the end. If the build quality is good - and the physis seems to be well made as a reference - I think a 'professional' price is justified. It can be of service for many years ; considering how flexible it may be.

I know - still lots of "if's" until the product is out and the reviews are there, but to dismiss it already on price alone...don't know; it can be worth the money and a very versatile board for many live players and/or studio producers.

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#2066089 - 04/17/13 04:11 PM Re: Physispiano K4-K5 - new master 88/76 keys [Re: dewster]
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Originally Posted By: dewster
32 lbs for 76 keys is reasonable. I wonder if they just lop off the top octave?

It doesn't seem that way. The specs imply that they have two different actions:


- 88 Hammer-Action Weighted keys with Aftertouch (K4)
- 76 Hammer-Action Light Weighted keys with Aftertouch (K5)

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#2086271 - 05/21/13 01:56 PM Re: Physispiano K4-K5 - new master 88/76 keys [Re: Qbert]
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First listing I encountered is on pro music.dk for 14999 DK which translates to a bit over 2000 euro. Ouch !

€ 1500 ~ € 1700 was more my expectation. No word about availability.

Oh...and http://audioelectric.de for € 2999 euro. I say no more...


Edited by JFP (05/21/13 02:00 PM)

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#2509237 - 02/10/16 07:11 PM Re: Physispiano K4-K5 - new master 88/76 keys [Re: Jake Jackson]
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Originally Posted By Jake Jackson
Yes, $2000+ US for just the controller seems very high.


A little while later, the early adopters have probably taken the intro price - and the controller is down to $1800 http://www.kraftmusic.com/sitesearch/?q=physis

$2500 with the piano engine.

This seems acceptable (to ME) Well,,, it might if I could get my hands on one to actually PLAY - - and if I was in the market for a new set of keys, but my KX-88 is still kickin'

OTOH, $700 for the actual SOUND generator... is about what I paid for a Roland U-220 "back in the day" and those were early 80s dollars.

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#2509249 - 02/10/16 07:51 PM Re: Physispiano K4-K5 - new master 88/76 keys [Re: Qbert]
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Hi, i prefer Kawai RHII or Roland PHA4 Concert key action over any Fatar, included their top of the line TP40 wood tri sensor. Not only is for the feelling theme, is about reliability too. Cheers!...

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#2509367 - 02/11/16 04:32 AM Re: Physispiano K4-K5 - new master 88/76 keys [Re: Fer De Armas]
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Originally Posted By Fer De Armas
Hi, i prefer Kawai RHII or Roland PHA4 Concert key action over any Fatar, included their top of the line TP40 wood tri sensor. Not only is for the feelling theme, is about reliability too. Cheers!...


Oh shut up. No one here believes you've even played most of the key actions you constantly talk about. Your comment bears no relationship to the previous post, or even the entire thread. You should be blocked from making any more posts.
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#2509377 - 02/11/16 05:42 AM Re: Physispiano K4-K5 - new master 88/76 keys [Re: Fer De Armas]
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Originally Posted By Fer De Armas
Hi, i prefer Kawai RHII or Roland PHA4 Concert key action over any Fatar, included their top of the line TP40 wood tri sensor. Not only is for the feelling theme, is about reliability too. Cheers!...


The thread is more about the physis controller than it is about the key action. If the key action is 'acceptable' then the controller functions and physis modelling MAY make it worth getting - for SOME buyers, but priorities may differ.

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#2510379 - 02/14/16 06:08 AM Re: Physispiano K4-K5 - new master 88/76 keys [Re: Qbert]
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What actually is happening with these controllers?(Considering this started back in 2013) are they ever going to be widely available? Or is it now discontinued?

I asked Viscount a few weeks ago via their website where I could buy one in the UK and got no response at all. The nearest I could find was Germany so I got one from there. I got a K5, just a few days later I noticed they stopped selling both the K5 and K4; I got the last one.

What's going on? The studiologic vmk series is recently discontinued and there does not seem to be much choice in this category of controller, is it because there is not much of a market for this kind of controller? Is it because there are not many Hammond vst emulations (rather than sampled) anymore - I have VB3 but it is getting out of date and having the K5 now is highlighting some of the VB3's limitations so I was looking for a better version and/or 2nd one to overcome some of the limitations plus I'm now getting very worried what happens if VB3 no longer works after a computer upgrade/update. When I looked the other day at Hammond vst's I found most of them are now discontinued, maybe only the VB3 is left?

To my mind controllers like the K5/K4 should be the way forward for most of us pianists who need something easily portable for rehearsals and gigs and want to be more versatile than just playing piano - throw away the expensive stage piano, all those other keyboards (with the K5 and it's 8 zones, 4 banks, 4 scenes I can pretty much do anything, even on a 76 note, I might have needed stacked kbds for in the past) and modules and replace it all with a small computer like a Pro3 or 4, some good vst's, DAW and a piano weighted controller with lots of sliders, knobs and buttons (to control your hammond, elec piano, synthesiser etc)and you can do so much more with this kind of set up than any of the above. So I don't understand why the controller keyboards (and Hammond vsts) aren't catering more for this.

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#2510603 - 02/14/16 08:00 PM Re: Physispiano K4-K5 - new master 88/76 keys [Re: Qbert]
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I don't know how the market moves.
At one time in the USA "Home Organs" were quite the rage, they seem to have faded from fashion.

I thought there would have been a greater rush to keyboards/controllers with draw bars, but it doesn't seem to have panned out, despite the Hammond history.
Heck, draw bar organs have to be about the EASIEST instrument to simulate, it is literally a straight mix of sine wave partials. (but if the market doesn't want it then it doesn't sell)

The current rush is toward sample players boasting concert grand emulation, many gigabytes being a spec boast, grand piano like key action, ivory like feel, etc all aimed at creating the illusion of a concert grand - - Hmmm.

I don't know how Viscount markets Physis in Europe and GB, Kraft music seems to be the big discount distributor in the USA and their web site boasts just about every model.
What they HAVE vs what they can GET may be a question.

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#2510627 - 02/14/16 09:27 PM Re: Physispiano K4-K5 - new master 88/76 keys [Re: PaulH]
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PaulH, I would recommend taking a look at the Keyboard Corner forum for discussions about tonewheel organ emulation. The Crummar Mojo and HX3 organ module are arguably the most realistic available.

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